Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Anonymous_Learner]

We should care, because it stops us from getting ap out the way. We can do it properly, LOK gonna do a staff thread.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't avoid speed like a goddamn plague just cuz it's controversial. Because it's controversial, we should prepare much arguments to counter it.
Hell, it doesn't even seem that controversial seeing as how we able to upgrade it multiple times and even get a bum like kashimo to rela. JJK just gotta lock in, it ain't that hard

We could do a mega crt but so far everyone's just been dropping their own crts lmao.

It's cuz we're so disjointed with some people with people being against any upgrades and those too eager.

 

[Arkenis]

In agreement with a full cap. - Arkenis

Yeah not superhuman though. Subsonic is where the verse is at now for 95%, I think that's in line with the story and consistent for any reasonable calc made

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

i think you know everyone else is prob js gonna end up agreeing with a full cap

 

[Rodriiogo]

Everything can't be the highest value ever. This isn't hyper fixating, it's reading the manga and understanding stuff can't be dismissed for the sake of big number. There's practically no statement in the story that says anything about a character being faster than supersonic. Other verse supporters have been feasting on high balled out the ass scales and when supporters of a verse go "yeah... idt the verse is mhs and country level" we dislike consistency??

Gojo is killing himself over this man did he not straight up state he can do the microsecond thing, also "hakari dodges lightning" (Im using it as an example just so the rejecters of the feat dont start) just because it isn't written out doesn't mean it didn't happen. If it was a novel where it has to write everything do you think Gege would not write "Hakari dodges the lightning", I swear I don't understand, do you need everything to be written out? Just because it's shown in a image manner doesn't mean it isn't the literal story, if we adapt it to words it would LITERALLY say "hakari dodges lightning", you are just being bias because you can't make conclusions without words for some reason.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Yeah not superhuman though. Subsonic is where the verse is at now for 95%, I think that's in line with the story and consistent for any reasonable calc made

Mate, with the way LOK is making his CRT, we're not getting the consistent subsonic feats, everyone will be superhuman

 

[Arkenis]

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't avoid speed like a goddamn plague just cuz it's controversial. Because it's controversial, we should prepare much arguments to counter it.
Hell, it doesn't even seem that controversial seeing as how we able to upgrade it multiple times and even get a bum like kashimo to rela. JJK just gotta lock in, it ain't that hard

It's cuz we're so disjointed with some people with people being against any upgrades and those too eager.

Well then the people who support higher speed should have better arguments than ignoring statements and shoving a bunch of calcs into a crt.

Kashimo is so different, he's genuinely in a different world from the rest of the sorcerers lmao. Anyone thinking someone scales to him in his MBA is just deluding themselves.

I'm completely in agreement with upgrades, just think there needs to be a cut off and how we scale it. People are pushing Mountain level Yuji off 15f Sukuna, like that's not insane???

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Guys if you didn't realized, Arkenis character is about ragebaiting as much as possible

 

[Keshirou]

I just dont understand how everyone can be superhuman, when Shibuya Yuji is capable of dodging (even if its 50/50 chance) PB, which is exceeds speed of sound (stated + shown)
Yuji would be just blitzed by it and dead already by superhuman cap logic.
It wasnt aim-dodge even, PB was already point-blank.

 

[Arkenis]

Gojo is killing himself over this man did he not straight up state he can do the microsecond thing, also "hakari dodges lightning" (Im using it as an example just so the rejecters of the feat dont start) just because it isn't written out doesn't mean it didn't happen. If it was a novel where it has to write everything do you think Gege would not write "Hakari dodges the lightning", I swear I don't understand, do you need everything to be written out? Just because it's shown in a image manner doesn't mean it isn't the literal story, if we adapt it to words it would LITERALLY say "hakari dodges lightning", you are just being bias because you can't make conclusions without words for some reason.

I think Gojo should have mhs+ perception, so there's no disagreement with that.

Gege would probably say "Hakari just barely avoided the lightning!! Those sorcerers of the past sure are dangerous!!!" And I'd be like well okay, he's likely mhs.

I'm not in full disagreement with Hakari's feat but it shouldn't be for combat speed.

I am a sucker for words, I like meaningful words and statements, sue me.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I mean they can't even search the city in 99% of episodes ngl. Search up madvocate flash

I know I watched the show it is awful , but yea since we have feats instead of statements the wiki scales him at MFTL+ btw.

And who brought it up first?

It had to be brought up? We can't keep the transonic-supersonic cap while having ppl like maki and yuji also at subsonic cause if so how are they getting blitzed by not even transonic/full speed Naoya? The "StAtEmEnTs" don't support subsonic for anyone other than naoya, naobito and gojo so if we are going to grab onto statements like they are our babies, go all the way and also include stuff like how a low subsonic timeframe (0.01 seconds) blitzes everyone other than yuta and higuruma slightly who still have trouble in realizing it so they are all superhuman "consistently" via the StAtEmEnTs.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Well then the people who support higher speed should have better arguments than ignoring statements and shoving a bunch of calcs into a crt.

Ah yes, so going off statements, those consistent subsonic feats just become outliers and verse becomes superhuman.

Kashimo is so different, he's genuinely in a different world from the rest of the sorcerers lmao. Anyone thinking someone scales to him in his MBA is just deluding themselves.

Sukuna Scales, ofc, but yeah no HH get his scaling

I'm completely in agreement with upgrades, just think there needs to be a cut off and how we scale it. People are pushing Mountain level Yuji off 15f Sukuna, like that's not insane???

ofc it's insane. all i'm saying we should just dismiss stuff because it's controversial.
Work to breach the barrier than just downgrade and downgrade and downgrade

 

[Robo432343]

Mate, with the way LOK is making his CRT, we're not getting the consistent subsonic feats, everyone will be superhuman

kt is proposing 'superhuman, up to transonic'
most staff are gonna agree with that

 

[Mommyleona]

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Genuinely the goat of JJK VSBW scaling.
I don't even care he glazes kashimo to the moon and back, this verse is hell without bro

 

[Rodriiogo]

I think Gojo should have mhs+ perception, so there's no disagreement with that.

Oh mb I forgot how you genuinely say with a straight face that Gege intended for Gojo to be 80000x faster than literally everyone in-verse.

Gege would probably say "Hakari just barely avoided the lightning!! Those sorcerers of the past sure are dangerous!!!" And I'd be like well okay, he's likely mhs.
I'm not in full disagreement with Hakari's feat but it shouldn't be for combat speed.

Dawg
So you just acknowleged that the feat in words IS mhs and you can still say with a straight face that the mach 3 is consistent. Yea this IS ragebait, LoK you right no way it aint.
Also it would be for combat speed since Kashimo and Hakari keep up with eachother reactions, can we please stop the reactions speed thing, holy excuses being made here, the characters consistently keep up with each other's reactions they arent moving slow motion to one another. Also it would mean your glorious "mach 3" Maoya has MHS speeds since he blitzed maki's reactions. Nice consistency.

I am a sucker for words, I like meaningful words and statements, sue me.

Found guilty in 0.01 seconds

 

[Arkenis]

Ah yes, so going off statements, those consistent subsonic feats just become outliers and verse becomes superhuman.

No I think subsonic is fine. Ya act like subsonic is a small tier, why can't the sorcerers be subsonic 56m/s and Naoya and Naobito are just 3 or 4x faster? As an example.

kt is proposing 'superhuman, up to transonic'
most staff are gonna agree with that

If staff agrees with it, do you think they just don't know anything and can't come to the conclusion in similar fashion? Staff isn't gonna go "yup KT is right"
Several of them read and have watched JJK, they can make educated decisions.

 

[Arkenis]

Oh mb I forgot how you genuinely say with a straight face that Gege intended for Gojo to be 80000x faster than literally everyone in-verse.

Bro are we deadass retconning him being the strongest??? He's literally got the best perception in verse. No duh Imma believe he's thousands of times above them.

Dawg
So you just acknowleged that the feat in words IS mhs and you can still say with a straight face that the mach 3 is consistent. Yea this IS ragebait, LoK you right no way it aint.
Also it would be for combat speed since Kashimo and Hakari keep up with eachother reactions, can we please stop the reactions speed thing, holy excuses being made here, the characters consistently keep up with each other's reactions they arent moving slow motion to one another. Also it would mean your glorious "mach 3" Maoya has MHS speeds since he blitzed maki's reactions. Nice consistency.

In the hypothetical in which Hakari's feat was in a novel yeah. But it's not. No one's ragebaiting you. It'd be Jackpot Hakari and Kashimo who'd scale, no one else fights them. But ya wanna say everyone scales to the shit off vibes.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Weird how I never got any notification for this one. But anyways, go see Sonic's scaling with their "faster than sound" statements with their MFTL+ feats co-existing bub. Same with Dragon Ball's supersonic Nimbus with their MFTL+ combat speed as Rodriigo pointed out or DC who has Black Canary being faster than Transonic (and thus faster than her own sonic waves) and come back to me saying "no author would do this!!!!"

no no, power scalers do ts, either that or the author is a genuine moron, I have zero knowledge on those verses so i shall just ignore all at and tell you the logic is still sound and in no world would a properly used "faster than sound" imply anything even remotely close to faster than light, and those verses should get the same treatment and get speed nuked assuming they fall under a similar constraint to this one.

It also is kinda apparent how fast Gege wants his characters to be you all just like them lightning feats, slower than mach 3 kinda "lightning" lol.

Altho Dragon ball does suffer from Toriyama not knowing how strong he portrayed his characters to be from the LS stuff I've seen, so in cases of a discrepancy of that level (one which doesn't exist here) I can see an argument in favor.

 

[Rodriiogo]

No I think subsonic is fine. Ya act like subsonic is a small tier, why can't the sorcerers be subsonic 56m/s and Naoya and Naobito are just 3 or 4x faster? As an example.

Why you ignoring other statements words man, a sucker for words like you should remember how they all got blitzed by 0.01 seconds timeframe right? Isn't superhuman consistent via that?? Why are only some statements being used words-man, use all of them since they are all true regardles of feats

 

[Mommyleona]

Bro are we deadass retconning him being the strongest???

Strongest =/= thousands of times above everyone else
Bro's a bum if he only uses CE reinforcement

 

[Arkenis]

Why you ignoring other statements words man, a sucker for words like you should remember how they all got blitzed by 0.01 seconds timeframe right? Isn't superhuman consistent via that?? Why are only some statements being used words-man, use all of them since they are all true regardles of feats

You realize 0.01s falls within subsonic reactions right? That would literally follow my idea.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Strongest =/= thousands of times above everyone else
Bro's a bum if he only uses CE reinforcement

I mean, if so we gotta erase Sukuna's relativistic calc and the sub relativistic one from Dabura

 

[Arkenis]

Strongest =/= thousands of times above everyone else
Bro's a bum if he only uses CE reinforcement

In speed mommy. I am talking about in speed.

Gojo blessed with Six Eyes, a literal godlike set of eyes with incredible perception, and capable of enhancing his speed through blue. The guy is literally Jesus to sorcerers but somehow him being above them by thousands of times is just too much?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Bro are we deadass retconning him being the strongest??? He's literally got the best perception in verse. No duh Imma believe he's thousands of times above them.

I'm going off author's intent here, not off true scaling, I'm actually fine with gojo being way faster in scale via just yea his feats are way better and we can't ignore them. (Well atp Idk about you since you do it but yea) But if you actually think Gege intended for Gojo to be 80000x faster idk what to tell you man. He did intend him to be faster and stronger than everyone else but not 80 THOUSAND OF TIMES.

In the hypothetical in which Hakari's feat was in a novel yeah. But it's not. No one's ragebaiting you. It'd be Jackpot Hakari and Kashimo who'd scale, no one else fights them. But ya wanna say everyone scales to the shit off vibes.

It isn't said in words so it's not usable is what I'm being told here, I'm FRIED. And what??? Do you actually think jackpot hakari and BASE kashimo are over two thousands of times faster than awakened maki and yuta???? Okay Naoya.

You realize 0.01s falls within subsonic reactions right? That would literally follow my idea.

And you do realize NO ONE fully reacted to it right and only 2 barely did right? so NO ONE scales to it other than those 2 barely, the others got BLITZED BY A LOW SUBSONIC TIMEFRAME.

 

[Mommyleona]

In speed mommy. I am talking about in speed.

im talking about speed too, baitkenis

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

No I think subsonic is fine. Ya act like subsonic is a small tier, why can't the sorcerers be subsonic 56m/s and Naoya and Naobito are just 3 or 4x faster? As an example.

Basline subsonic is a small tier, especially when they have good subsonic+ feats (Going off just manga, grade 1 bum geto could block bullets and Maki's bullet feat was recalced and accepted as Mach 0.56 with anime ISBOK mach jumping at Mach 0.5 and normal Mahito having speed of Mach 0.69 in shibuya, all three of which will be gone with the upcoming crt)
LOK CRT literally proposes that the other sorcerers become superhuman with zero subsonic. I don't even think jogo's subsonic feats safe

If staff agrees with it, do you think they just don't know anything and can't come to the conclusion in similar fashion? Staff isn't gonna go "yup KT is right"
Several of them read and have watched JJK, they can make educated decisions.

mate, we had 2-1 votes for the cap before the other went true neutral. It's 100% possible that staff will come to the crt and say, "yeah, ignore the subsonic feats. Superhuman peak"

 

[Mommyleona]

I mean, if so we gotta erase Sukuna's relativistic calc and the sub relativistic one from Dabura

Nah they're just more goated, gojo doesnt scale

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

In speed mommy.

Leona really knew what they were doing when they chose their name huh...

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Everything can't be the highest value ever. This isn't hyper fixating, it's reading the manga and understanding stuff can't be dismissed for the sake of big number. There's practically no statement in the story that says anything about a character being faster than supersonic. Other verse supporters have been feasting on high balled out the ass scales and when supporters of a verse go "yeah... idt the verse is mhs and country level" we dislike consistency??

You didn’t actually read what I said. Tell me how is 24ms JJK consistent with all the bullet catching.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I mean, if so we gotta erase Sukuna's relativistic calc and the sub relativistic one from Dabura

The thing is, from a scaling perspective it's fine to have gojo and sukuna that much faster, since yea, feats. But what Arkenis is trying to say here is that the author intent WAS for him to be over 80 thousands of times faster, which is ABSURD. Gege didn't write gojo to see everyone that slow, he proceeds to make Gojo take almost 5 minutes to kill 1000 transfigured humans. The argument here is about consistency and author intent since that's the argument for why "the transonic-supersonic cap makes sense!!"

 

[Mommyleona]

Leona really knew what they were doing when they chose their name huh...

everyone has gotten real comfortable calling me that over time

 

[Arkenis]

I'm going off author's intent here, not off true scaling, I'm actually fine with gojo being way faster in scale via just yea his feats are way better and we can't ignore them. (Well atp Idk about you since you do it but yea) But if you actually think Gege intended for Gojo to be 80000x faster idk what to tell you man. He did intend him to be faster and stronger than everyone else.

Gege didn't intend for such a specific number, of course not. But we came to that conclusion off stated shit, not calcs. Gojo's feats aren't just better, he's narratively portrayed as such and that must matter or else we are just going off vibes and how we feel for the characters scale.

It isn't said in words so it's not usable, I'm FRIED. And what??? Do you actually think jackpot hakari and BASE kashimo are over two thousands of times faster than awakened maki and yuta???? Okay Naoya.

Never said that and I'm genuinely starting to think you have dementia. I've said numerous times, visuals and words matter, up to a certain point, that point being when the visuals start contradicting the statements.

I would consider it far more likely than 10+ characters all scale because Hakari's doing it off infinite cursed energy and because Kashimo's viewed as the strongest of his era and grouped alongside the strongest.

And you do realize NO ONE fully reacted to it right and only 2 barely did right? so NO ONE scales to it other than those 2 barely, the others got BLITZED BY A LOW SUBSONIC TIMEFRAME.

So in perception they're lower.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Ye Gege also probably intended to say "41 nanoseconds" here, I think he is just a bit of a clutz

everyone has gotten real comfortable calling me that over time

bro talking as if that wasn't the intended effect.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

This manga's speed is so funny bro

 

[Keshirou]

41 seconds argument is buns btw

 

[Rodriiogo]

Gege didn't intend for such a specific number, of course not. But we came to that conclusion off stated shit, not calcs. Gojo's feats aren't just better, he's narratively portrayed as such and that must matter or else we are just going off vibes and how we feel for the characters scale.

5 minutes, 1000 transfigured humans, go Gojo!

Never said that and I'm genuinely starting to think you have dementia. I've said numerous times, visuals and words matter, up to a certain point, that point being when the visuals start contradicting the statements.

So you just DECIDED that words have more importance than visuals even tho visuals is the main way of telling the story and even while agreeing that from an actual traditional perpsective (novel, having to be written out), they hold the same importance. If you don't get the issue man

I would consider it far more likely than 10+ characters all scale because Hakari's doing it off infinite cursed energy and because Kashimo's viewed as the strongest of his era and grouped alongside the strongest.

"I would consider it" to making Maki and Yuta over 2 thousand times slower than JP Hakari and Base Kashimo.

So in perception they're lower.

So they percieve stuff slower than they actually move?? Are you arguing that they blitz themselves bro what

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Ye Gege also probably intended to say "41 nanoseconds" here, I think he is just a bit of a clutz

Lmao even

Ig Peak Human Gojo and Sukuna is real

Everyone in Tournament of Power is also Peak Human at best

Truly our Jujutsu Kaisen

All over again. This fandoms never change

 

[Arkenis]

I'm at a loss bro. We're now retconning Gojo and Sukuna as the strongest and fastest, they're now just kinda sorta maybe 10x faster, Yuji's basically in their same tier of power, Hakari's infinite cursed energy enhanced body is just relative to Yuta and Yuji, Maki's apparently not reacting to Mach 3 but mach 8000.

At this point **** it, everyone can scale to BH Yuki, Mahoraga scales to Truth Sphere, Gojo's Limitless is cm2 and Immeasurable Void was actually a universe thus he and Sukuna are actually H3A.

 

[Keshirou]

At this point **** it, everyone can scale to BH Yuki, Mahoraga scales to Truth Sphere, Gojo's Limitless is cm2 and Immeasurable Void was actually a universe thus he and Sukuna are actually H3A.

Arkenis came to true scaling

 

[Mommyleona]

bro talking as if that wasn't the intended effect.

it wasnt