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Why does Gojo have spatial manipulation?
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Arkenis
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Where u think the verse scale?
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Dk, I just wanna make sure im understanding things right.
Does the high 7-C stuff come from chain scaling off of Ryu?
Edit: Yeah that’s it.
So my question now is, do we know when Uraume became a player?
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Sorcerers that made contracts with Kenjaku in the past automatically enters the game. We see that with Itadori/Sukuna
Anonymous_Learner
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There's what should be done and what will be done because JJK fans enjoy gutting their own verse than do anything worthwhile fixing it.
Like, I'm not even talking about really high speed scaling (I think the verse's consistently supersonic+ and Gojo/sukuna hypersonic [though, this may change with Dabura]). All i've heard since i've joined this thread is that "the profiles suck" or "inverse scaling sucks" and, instead of doing anything meaningful by fixing them, they wanna break them even further till we're all wondering,"What the hell happened here" cuz "Downgrading the verse I support then leaving others to pick up the pieces sounds fun"
Anonymous_Learner
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The Performance JJK VSBW Supports will pull to gut their own verse
EldemadeDityjon
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Just scale Maki and Naoya to Subsonic
Yuta to transonic
Yuji to supersonic
Kenny & Yuki to hypersonic
Yuta to transonic
Yuji to supersonic
Kenny & Yuki to hypersonic
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I'm reminded of how my UES crt got rejected now. Has anyone tried anything like that since?
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Elde everytime Maki can come up in a convo:
Anonymous_Learner
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I believe there was NPES crt but I barely remember (But, ofc, i think it was unanimously agreed that Ryu's like the only one who the sort of UES type deal)
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I swear its bull that we have to fight tooth and nail to get UES accepted, it gets rejected and then everyone still ends up scaling to Ryu anyone
EldemadeDityjon
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Speaking of Ryu. Others should be downscaled from Domain amp. Since its more like Domain amped Yuta=< Ryu in physical sts. I mean since it's accepted.
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? Ryu fought Yuta outside his Domain and the pair were relative. Plus, Yuji messes that up because he isn't domain amped in that scene and Sukuna applies that statement to both of them.
Also looking at the CRT it used pretty much all of my evidence but argued for NPES instead. And none of the usual suspects to reject it showed up either
Also looking at the CRT it used pretty much all of my evidence but argued for NPES instead. And none of the usual suspects to reject it showed up either
EldemadeDityjon
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Ryu sustained minor injuries from Rikas punch (albeit he got caught off-guard). After that only other stuff Yuta got is Ryu getting damaged from thin ice breaker. Which is damage boost or dura neg which scales above users AP. His head got damaged by angered amped Rika who is stated be on different level than fully Manifested Rika. Ryu still has statements for cooking fully Manifested Rika with a punch so his first encounter with Yuta might not be him going all out since he was trying to get a good fight going on. Yuta scales to Ryu but not as a equal. I think downscaling Yuta and Uro from Ryu does makes sense idk
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Yuta should already downscale from Ryu, because he is relative to him.
A character is relative to another character when they're capable of taking strikes from and harming the other. Yuta does both, hell he even manages to palm away a granite blast.
And my issue was you saying that we should downscale people from domain amped Yuta since Domain Amped Yuta isn't the one that fought Ryu, just base and Fully Manifested Rika Yuta
A character is relative to another character when they're capable of taking strikes from and harming the other. Yuta does both, hell he even manages to palm away a granite blast.
And my issue was you saying that we should downscale people from domain amped Yuta since Domain Amped Yuta isn't the one that fought Ryu, just base and Fully Manifested Rika Yuta
EldemadeDityjon
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Bro his hand got cooked. He didn't palm off anything.
Also Sukuna stated their durability doesn't surpasses Ryu's which was inside Yuta's domain. Also you ignored Ryu having statement for cooking Fully Manifested Rika with his SS. While Yuta's only feat of harmony him was due to thin ice breaker and later when his head got crushed by Angered amped Rika who is above Yuta/Fully Manifested Rika sts so basically end of the fight he should have Weakened.
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Let me go grab the scan
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@EldemadeDityjon
So Yuta Blocks with his right hand as you can see here.
Then Yuta Punches with that Same hand which isn't burnt. We know its the same one because his thumb is on the right side of his fist instead of the left if that was his left hand. Only after Ryu literally blast him away, because Yuta was putting his fist right into Ryu's Pompador and ends up blasted back does that right hand turn black as you see below
So yes, he did palm the attack. His hand got cooked by a separate attack, likely because Yuta wasn't properly reinforcing his fist like he was when he blocked the attack earlier.
So Yuta Blocks with his right hand as you can see here.
Then Yuta Punches with that Same hand which isn't burnt. We know its the same one because his thumb is on the right side of his fist instead of the left if that was his left hand. Only after Ryu literally blast him away, because Yuta was putting his fist right into Ryu's Pompador and ends up blasted back does that right hand turn black as you see below
So yes, he did palm the attack. His hand got cooked by a separate attack, likely because Yuta wasn't properly reinforcing his fist like he was when he blocked the attack earlier.
Anonymous_Learner
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Going off how she was as a cursed object, I think Rika would be a sassy ass to Yuji.
EldemadeDityjon
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Seems like distance of the blast issue since greater the distance force wouldn't be or Ryu was not serious. Either way domain amp is accepted. If you scale CG Yuta to Base Ryu that would make Domain amped Yuta higher than Ryu sts
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So are you telling me right now, we don't scale base Yuta relative to Ryu. Even though it was base Yuta that fought Ryu, and defeated him, and not only tanked multiple blows from Base Ryu but also harmed base Ryu without the need of his domain or CT. That Yuta isn't relative to Ryu is what you're trying to say we currently rate things as?
EldemadeDityjon
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We literally got statement from Sukuna otherwise?
Without off-guard he didn't damaged him so.. .
With his own GB & Weakened Ryu.
I already said Ryu might not be taking him seriously enough since later we got statement for even injured being able to cook full manifested Rika
Heavily damaged Ryu from Angered Rika who scales above fully Manifested Rika who scales to Yuta
Nuh you should ask yourself do we consider Sukuna's statement or just go with casual ryu keeping up Yuta as them being equal.
OjeTheArcher15
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That's not ridiculous at all
OjeTheArcher15
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Arkenis stands for nothing
They would gladly **** the verse over to spite Yuta
EldemadeDityjon
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Funnily enough Yuji might be like Demi God in the eyes of Simureans. He should be able to convince them with talk no jutsu
EldemadeDityjon
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Real
Rodriiogo
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I think you just ignored the point atp. I literally gave you an example aswell. In CW, Flash runs around earth on seconds on screen yet they call it mach 3 or mach 7 I forgot. Now if you use the mach 3 or mach 7 thing as the truth (your opinion) then you just killed the narrative. Because how did he run around the earth that fast at those speeds. Did like EVERYONE just wait like 10 HOURS FOR HIM TO FINISH a single lap and everyone just forgot to mention how there was a 10 hour gap between each frame and coincidentally the time never changed or smth ig the pc time got bugged!
If you still don't see the point, if something that happens in the narrative contradicts what said, then we take what happens. Thats just logic. I literally told you IF higher feats didnt exist I wouldnt push for the statements to be ignored but they do. As I said even if you reject the hakari feat as of rn I will use it as a quick example here. Imagine the anime comes out and confirms the dodge. Tell me now, do we take what happened (he dodged lightning) or whats said (oh hes mach 3!), spoilers: its the same conclusion as the flash, if you take whats said, you are saying what happens makes no sense.
Im starting to see why everyone calls you a troll.GOOGLE:
Narrative: a spoken or written account of connected events; a story.
WIKIPEDIA:
A narrative, story, or tale is any account of a series of related events or experiences, whether non-fictional (memoir, biography, news report, documentary, travelogue, etc.) or fictional (fairy tale, fable, legend, thriller, novel, etc.). Narratives can be presented through a sequence of written or spoken words, through still or moving images, or through any combination of these.
Narrative - Wikipedia
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I have never ever said narrative is just words, you've reshaped my argument because you're incapable of arguing against my completely reasonable idea, that both count until the visuals start contradicting the story's critical statements.
1. Re-read my points I did not say that.
2. "any account of a series of related events or experiences" is what happens not what the big bold words said. A narrative is essentially the telling in sequence of events which, in manga, is shown via images. If the story shows "Hakari dodges lightning" in the image but the random big bold word says "Mach 3" I will believe the first since its something literally shown to me and not spitballed.
JJK also demonstrates feats higher than mach 3. And statements...? Its literally all in databooks man if you are saying the databook statemements actually overwrite the author statements yet WHAT LITRTALLY HAPPENS IN THE STORY (Feats) DON'T then I don't know what to tell you man. Gege could tell you "hakari dodged a lightning at mach 1" and you'd believe it like a sheep instead of realising he doesnt know what hes saying man.
Ah yes the average look strong so its fine, a classic. And I didnt even mention inconsistency with bleach speed, just how they use that statement of KILOJOULES AP and stuff yet no one believes that attack is only kilojoules levels of ap.
Idk anything AT ALL about the black clover situation so I wont talk here.BLACK CLOVER
I nor anyone else need to go through endless debate and explanation to explain why the characters even REMOTELY scale to LS.
And how does the narrative back it up? Light magic is stated the fastest magic, it's seen as having no equal and it's the only thing that can oppose time. It's actually woven into the narrative, it's actually part of major events in the series, Julius's death? Light magic. The first wizard king? Light magic.
Yea they do. Their feats is what substantiates it. I can tell you as someone who played nearly every game and read every novel, nasu is a criminal when it comes to giving inconsistent speed statements. No wonder gege is a fate fan he took inspiration of saber getting blitzed by 100km/h attacks yet dodge light and lightning.
So you agree that:
- Gege TOTALLY intended Gojo to have a perception OF OVER 80000 TIMES ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE VERSE.
- he also intended for Kashimo's lightning to be 18333x FASTER THAN LITERALLY EVERYONE despite making hakari dodge it andgave it the "sure hit via attraction of positive energy" just for the overkill
- 15F Sukuna (who Gege intended to fight Maki and Yuji at 10%) is over 2365x faster than them and his 10% speed nerf actually cut his speed by 2300 times
Fair enough you're just completely delusional.
Yea.. he did. Gege wrote that. Whats the issue?
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Didnt that get nuked due to Hakari apparently not dodging it
Rodriiogo
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Debunk was garbage im ngl, it only went through because of the speed cap/adolf naoya killing the speed of the verse
Kashimo was already aiming for the head every single time
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Your best bet is the anime adapting it better
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Idk which is more wild. Adolf Naoya or Yutaliban
Rodriiogo
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It prob will but you can already realise it is going for the head in the manga as I already said before (like 20 pages ago):
Kashimo needs to transition said positive energy to his enemies with his attacks. If you look throughout the fight before the first lightning accumulated enough, all hits that Kashimo does on Hakari are directly on his head. The lightning was already targetting his head here. However because of Hakari's speed of just leaning to the side, the lightning did not have time to re-direct and ended up hitting his arm. If an attack is aiming at your head but it explodes on-touch, if you dash to the side before it re-directs, and it ends up hitting your arm, the attack will stop regardless.
Kashimo's "now I will target the head" is just average John Werryism because in an actual translation he notes how he will pinpoint to make it explode on his head this time, not "I will target his head now". He was already doing that lmao, he's just pointing out that he has to make sure it explodes on his head so it kills him, literally all his attacks even after the first lightning were targetted at his head it's insane. (He also targets Panda's head with lightning but people will tell you he decided to aim at Hakari's arm even tho he knew Hakari was way stronger in CE quantity and output to the point he could ignore his CE after just a few blows, ok man)
It being a "perspective shot" is just a head-canon that is supported by absolutely nothing
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Think I'm gonna quit doing JJK scaling stuff, a consistently subsonic verse getting downgraded to superhuman is ridiculous
Rodriiogo
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I'd just wait for whatever happens, since some people here still prefer on removing the caps entirely than just keeping the verse at superhuman, so there's still a glimmer of hope for the verse. It's just a question of which side will win
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Qurbonboev
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Perspective shot is a genuine interpretation.
This is some aggressive cope.
It’s very odd for Kashimo to declare he’s going to do something that…. He’s already been doing?
That comes out as weird.
At the end of the day, it’s up to interpretation.
I personally think he was aiming for the arm.
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That’s just heat res
Eden_Warlock99
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Ain't Curses supposed to be invincible to that stuff too?
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