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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

LIFE_OF_KING said:
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
It must be the wind

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One more for the collection folks
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
What are you referring to?
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I said I'm pushing for all these downgrades because I figured if I tried to adhere to the caps people revere so much, maybe they will see how ridiculous it looks and rethink it. At least I think I said that from the start. Give people what they want, once they get it they go "Oh, this looks completely wrong... maybe I change my mind."

I obviously don't agree with it, but I'm getting annoyed of half-assking the speed caps, so I may as well take it to the reasonable conclusion and if people realize it seems crazy, that's good.
 
Rodriiogo said:
They are indeed in agreement to ignore it just like alot of verses do if thet have way higher feats while having speed caps statements, as I said I havent fully finished MHA but im pretty sure they use HYPERSONIC MISSLES against one of the god tiers of the verse (Shigiraki), and jets are able to react to him man. Someone even brought it up again in the projection thread so I will bring it up aswell since im way more knowledgable on that verse than mha, Fate literally has HARD speed caps like over 15 statements capping its speed but it gets ignored due to how the verse shows way better speed feats via feats. Its very common to do this because believe it or not, the authors sometimes just say stuff for no reason other than cool factor.
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Right, the visuals, meant to capture, amaze people and demonstrate fictional and fantastical events and god-like supernatural beings, THAT can't possibly be for cool factor, but blatant statements are? You bringing this stuff up to me isn't gonna change my mind on JJK, if those verses have statements that are so irremovable from the story and characters, then it should also be reanalyzed and considered for correction. Something being common don't make it right or logical either.

Rodriiogo said:
What "narrative" backs them since I assume, going off your other arguments, you see narrative as just the words instead of whats actually shown (lmao), and I can tell you with 100% certain that 90% of those verses never do any words to support the speed tiering thats used on the wiki. It all just does down to the same thing as for example CW Flash where he literally does LAPS AROUND THE EARTH and the characters say hes moving at mach 3 at the same moment. Tell me which one makes more sense to use here, calc the feat or follow the stupid statement?
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Rodriiogo said:
Question mark? By your logic it does. Isnt the narrative the words? The narrative in your view here is stating that, dont use double standards. Follow the narrative.
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Rodriiogo said:
They are indeed one off statements never supported consistently because they proceed to do way more impressive stuff ONSCREEN and you are using different statements supporting different things as consistency btw.

For example you use the 0.01 blitz alongside Naoya statements to say its consistent but funnily enough remove the fact that if someone like maki was getting blitz by 0.01 seconds, she wouldnt even react to beyond subsonic naoya or be able to count his movements. Yet she literally does. So 0.01 seconds and naoya statements contradict one another and regardless of which one u choose, it will be a one off statement since the other contradicts it. Please tell me the supporting stuff from the series that support the statements from Naoya now.
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GOOGLE:
Narrative: a spoken or written account of connected events; a story.

WIKIPEDIA:
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Narrative - Wikipedia

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A narrative, story, or tale is any account of a series of related events or experiences, whether non-fictional (memoir, biography, news report, documentary, travelogue, etc.) or fictional (fairy tale, fable, legend, thriller, novel, etc.). Narratives can be presented through a sequence of written or spoken words, through still or moving images, or through any combination of these.

I have never ever said narrative is just words, you've reshaped my argument because you're incapable of arguing against my completely reasonable idea, that both count until the visuals start contradicting the story's critical statements.

You're wrong. Naruto not only demonstrates feats on their level, but we have explicit statements in manga and in databooks of these characters actually being a certain speed likely 20 different times. What this does for me and many others, is now allows us to analyze the manga in a less restrictive lens cuz when we pixel scale and get mach 393874839 for a feat, we don't gotta jump through hoops and go "teehee death of the author".

I can't think of a single narrative point or statement within Bleach that conflicts with MHS, LS, FTL calcs. But if you wanna show me some that would be good. And shit at least Bleach straight up has their characters as actual gods and actually demonstrates them as other worldly beings, their scale is more believable than anything JJK can produce.

I named Marvel, I don't think I gotta explain why Marvel is almost incapable of falling into a massive cap in speed barring it's low tiers.

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I nor anyone else need to go through endless debate and explanation to explain why the characters even REMOTELY scale to LS.

And how does the narrative back it up? Light magic is stated the fastest magic, it's seen as having no equal and it's the only thing that can oppose time. It's actually woven into the narrative, it's actually part of major events in the series, Julius's death? Light magic. The first wizard king? Light magic.
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I don't know much about Fate, but I know they've got lore to substantiate even a 3rd of their speed scale. Also Fate's gone through several revisions due to speed and ap as well.

Look at how the statements are consistent with absolutely nothing in the story, look it's at least consistent because nothing else is said in contrary, and yes Gege TOTALLY intended Gojo to have a perception OF OVER 80000 TIMES ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE VERSE. Yes Gege did intend for this to happen, he also intended for Kashimo's lightning to be 18333x FASTER THAN LITERALLY EVERYONE, you gotta believe me, he gave it the "sure hit via attraction of positive energy" just for the overkill man!! He also made Hakari dodge it for the oopsies! It was totally intentional and consistent since he was totally thinking about how the story he is writing is below mach 3 and Hakari just made a secret binding vow or smth to dodge it, all the subsonic feats he drew are also just lies btw, he intended Maki to actually cut a snail instead of a bullet mb gng it was a minor mistake. All the other feats above subsonic are also just lies. Sukuna cut clouds in the anime (which we consider canon)? Nah man it actually took over a whole minute to reach the sky and Mahoraga and Sukuna went to get some popcorn and waited for it to reach the sky before leaving the building, the video also just sped up for over 55 times just to show how SLOW they are. Or we use the interpretation that Mahoraga and 15F Sukuna (who Gege intended to fight Maki and Yuji at 10%) is over 2365x faster than them actually, his 10% speed nerf actually cut his speed by 2300 times mb gng of course that's also an option.
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Wahh wahh wahh my calcs are right and Gege didn't intend his strongest characters to be the strongest, just 4x faster and stronger wah wahh wahh I want MHS Yuta, wahh wahh where's my Mountain level Yuji. Wahhhhh Hakari dodged lightning!!! It's mach 2038439948 wahhh look at my pixels wahhhh wahhh.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I said I'm pushing for all these downgrades because I figured if I tried to adhere to the caps people revere so much, maybe they will see how ridiculous it looks and rethink it. At least I think I said that from the start. Give people what they want, once they get it they go "Oh, this looks completely wrong... maybe I change my mind."

I obviously don't agree with it, but I'm getting annoyed of half-assking the speed caps, so I may as well take it to the reasonable conclusion and if people realize it seems crazy, that's good.
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Bro's saying that like I adhered to the speed cap super crazily lol. I think I said previously that I do it for my personal scaling but I don't care what the wiki has all that much, if people wanted to ignore the speed cap and it was the majority I wouldn't care.

Only feat I ignore regardless of speed cap is the Hakari Kashimo feat cause I just have beef with that one specifically
 
LOK you made the Jogo calc and Powertoscale cooked up Sub rel Toji off black flash Ino scaling. I had no hand in such shenanigans
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Bro's saying that like I adhered to the speed cap super crazily lol. I think I said previously that I do it for my personal scaling but I don't care what the wiki has all that much, if people wanted to ignore the speed cap and it was the majority I wouldn't care.

Only feat I ignore regardless of speed cap is the Hakari Kashimo feat cause I just have beef with that one specifically
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I meant more generally. You definitely were a lot better about it.
 
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