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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Laser is going insane lmfao 😭
Perhaps a tad bit. I feel the current route we are going is disrespectful to visual art as a medium which pisses me off for entirely different reasons unrelated to power scaling (more to do with me who is an aspiring artist). But it's getting too annoying to continuously argue against it. If people think superhuman wall level Yuji, and subsonic building level Gojo ain't crazy then so be it.

I am going to look into anti-feats for LS too. I'm unsure of how much it affects Yuji and Special Grades, but I'll see what I can do.
 
Ngl MHA probably does need crts and the supporters have just been reluctant or never discussed it before, I doubt they’re just all in agreement to ignore it, I doubt Damage hasn’t brought it up either.
They are indeed in agreement to ignore it just like alot of verses do if thet have way higher feats while having speed caps statements, as I said I havent fully finished MHA but im pretty sure they use HYPERSONIC MISSLES against one of the god tiers of the verse (Shigiraki), and jets are able to react to him man. Someone even brought it up again in the projection thread so I will bring it up aswell since im way more knowledgable on that verse than mha, Fate literally has HARD speed caps like over 15 statements capping its speed but it gets ignored due to how the verse shows way better speed feats via feats. Its very common to do this because believe it or not, the authors sometimes just say stuff for no reason other than cool factor.

Did Kishimoto say that in the manga, where its pivotal, crucial, important, lore accurate or specific to a character’s ability? Those verses did not go off just feats, the narrative backs their scale almost 100%.
What "narrative" backs them since I assume, going off your other arguments, you see narrative as just the words instead of whats actually shown (lmao), and I can tell you with 100% certain that 90% of those verses never do any words to support the speed tiering thats used on the wiki. It all just does down to the same thing as for example CW Flash where he literally does LAPS AROUND THE EARTH and the characters say hes moving at mach 3 at the same moment. Tell me which one makes more sense to use here, calc the feat or follow the stupid statement?

Notice how the examples you bring up are never 1:1 with JJK’s? Candice’s lightning statement HAS zero to do with her relevance to the story.
Question mark? By your logic it does. Isnt the narrative the words? The narrative in your view here is stating that, dont use double standards. Follow the narrative.

Idk how you’re ignoring that JJK’s examples aren’t one off statements no matter how much you wanna delude yourself, these statements are often made by the narrator or are recognized in the jujutsu society as truth.
They are indeed one off statements never supported consistently because they proceed to do way more impressive stuff ONSCREEN and you are using different statements supporting different things as consistency btw.

For example you use the 0.01 blitz alongside Naoya statements to say its consistent but funnily enough remove the fact that if someone like maki was getting blitz by 0.01 seconds, she wouldnt even react to beyond subsonic naoya or be able to count his movements. Yet she literally does. So 0.01 seconds and naoya statements contradict one another and regardless of which one u choose, it will be a one off statement since the other contradicts it. Please tell me the supporting stuff from the series that support the statements from Naoya now.
 
We just reached a new low of speed c*p delusion wdym its being argued if the guy who verbatim surpassed subsonic speeds BY THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE BEING USED TO CAP THE VERSE might not be mach 0.8???? Im so confused now do we just nitpick whichever statement gets the verse lower??
oh u mean at max okay i thought you meant like minimum like the current bullshit
 
15? That seems absurd lol
One of the fastest servants has its speed capped at 400km/h while flying at full speed and the person even doing said statement has seen multiple high tier servants fighting before yet considers it impossible for him to move that fast.

One of the fastest attacks of the verse that blitzes almost every servant has a top speed of 400-500km/h

A top tier that is basically above almost every servant needs to boost herself to move from building to building and move 20 meters in a second

A person fighting the top tier above needed a massive emotional boost to close a 10 meter gap in a second

Saber needs to dash at top speeds to climb stairs and still takes a minute to get to the top.

Theres way more btw
 
One of the fastest servants has its speed capped at 400km/h while flying at full speed and the person even doing said statement has seen multiple high tier servants fighting before yet considers it impossible for him to move that fast.

One of the fastest attacks of the verse that blitzes almost every servant has a top speed of 400-500km/h

A top tier that is basically above almost every servant needs to boost herself to move from building to building and move 20 meters in a second

A person fighting the top tier above needed a massive emotional boost to close a 10 meter gap in a second

Saber needs to dash at top speeds to climb stairs and still takes a minute to get to the top.

Theres way more btw
Very weird for a verse that just verbatim says they can fight at near light speed
 
I will also just re-send this for Arkenis.
Look at how the statements are consistent with absolutely nothing in the story, look it's at least consistent because nothing else is said in contrary, and yes Gege TOTALLY intended Gojo to have a perception OF OVER 80000 TIMES ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE VERSE. Yes Gege did intend for this to happen, he also intended for Kashimo's lightning to be 18333x FASTER THAN LITERALLY EVERYONE, you gotta believe me, he gave it the "sure hit via attraction of positive energy" just for the overkill man!! He also made Hakari dodge it for the oopsies! It was totally intentional and consistent since he was totally thinking about how the story he is writing is below mach 3 and Hakari just made a secret binding vow or smth to dodge it, all the subsonic feats he drew are also just lies btw, he intended Maki to actually cut a snail instead of a bullet mb gng it was a minor mistake. All the other feats above subsonic are also just lies. Sukuna cut clouds in the anime (which we consider canon)? Nah man it actually took over a whole minute to reach the sky and Mahoraga and Sukuna went to get some popcorn and waited for it to reach the sky before leaving the building, the video also just sped up for over 55 times just to show how SLOW they are. Or we use the interpretation that Mahoraga and 15F Sukuna (who Gege intended to fight Maki and Yuji at 10%) is over 2365x faster than them actually, his 10% speed nerf actually cut his speed by 2300 times mb gng of course that's also an option.
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I want you to CONFIRM you believe this.
 
Very weird for a verse that just verbatim says they can fight at near light speed
I read the entire novel, I can tell you in a later fight (Saber VS Berserker) the novel says this:
"However – no matter how extraordinary the Heroic Spirit may be, the 12,000 rounds-per-minute of the pride of America's General Electric, the M61 autocannon, presented an unmanageable amount of shots."

The same novel says they cant handle a 12000 RPM gun which is why no one takes the speed statements seriously and just goes off feats.
 
I made the CRT so you guys could shut up about speed cap but now you guys are never gonna stop to bring it 🥀
Icl the thread went to hell after the 7 pages and as laser even pointed out its basically impossible to argue with people who will tell you the big words im bold are the actual narrative and not what actually happens on screen.🙏 I swear all speed c*p defenders will defend it with the most bad faith ever.
 
Icl the thread went to hell after the 7 pages and as laser even pointed out its basically impossible to argue with people who will tell you the big words im bold are the actual narrative and not what actually happens on screen.🙏 I swear all speed c*p defenders will defend it with the most bad faith ever.
I will make a staff only soon enough.

Probably next weekend

So idk, write the arguments until then
 
I will make a staff only soon enough.

Probably next weekend

So idk, write the arguments until then
Alright I will prepare arguments on cord or smth till then, hopefully I wont be met with the most bad faith arguments oat when that happens!!

As of now I just want the sukuna clouds calc discussion thread to be resolved, I need that city level end cause the current one is buns 🙏
 
I see it more like Sonic where he has a bajillion "faster than the speed of sound" and have him at MFTL+ since it doesn't contradict the statement.
That sounds so silly tbh, i GUESS it's technically right
Im never messing with fans of such big franchises tho 😭
 
That sounds so silly tbh, i GUESS it's technically right
Im never messing with fans of such big franchises tho 😭
In all fairness Sonic has numerous Light speed and FTL statements and many many many many many FTL feats. Yet SEGA consistently says he is Supersonic hedgehog or "faster than sound". But yes, being faster than smth is not a speed cap, it just means you're faster.
 
In all fairness Sonic has numerous Light speed and FTL statements and many many many many many FTL feats. Yet SEGA consistently says he is Supersonic hedgehog or "faster than sound". But yes, being faster than smth is not a speed cap, it just means you're faster.
they call him supersonic because his name is sonic and it sounds cool
 
they call him supersonic because his name is sonic and it sounds cool
Not really. They also have much more explicit statements that say he can "easily reach Mach 1" or "run at Mach 1 for funsies", other shit like him being able to run at hypersonic speeds, can run at the speed of light, etc.

They call him Supersonic because that's what he's known for, running around at Supersonic speeds.
 
Not really. They also have much more explicit statements that say he can "easily reach Mach 1" or "run at Mach 1 for funsies", other shit like him being able to run at hypersonic speeds, can run at the speed of light, etc.

They call him Supersonic because that's what he's known for, running around at Supersonic speeds.
no i know

but they also call him supersonic cause his name is Sonic
 
I never thought I'd say this but unironically at this point I'd rather we just completely ignore the Naoya statements so that the verse doesn't literally get gutted like a dead fish, especially if we're taking the anime as canon and it has a bunch of feats that contradict the Naoya statements
 
I never thought I'd say this but unironically at this point I'd rather we just completely ignore the Naoya statements so that the verse doesn't literally get gutted like a dead fish, especially if we're taking the anime as canon and it has a bunch of feats that contradict the Naoya statements
Well, it looks like my thoughts were right after all. That's 1 person so far.
 
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