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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Electronic74947 said:
Guys, what happens if next chapter, tsukumi and maru are stated to be moving at mach 5 which is normal for a grade 1? Does that become an outlier now because of naoya?



I'm curious how this would work
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"If I was a snail, would you still love me?" ass question
If such impossible thing happens, Naoya stetement would be removed most likely
 
Electronic74947 said:
Guys, what happens if next chapter, tsukumi and maru are stated to be moving at mach 5 which is normal for a grade 1? Does that become an outlier now because of naoya?



I'm curious how this would work
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Nope, it's just make people realize how stupids that we rely on statements and we'll go into 20 pages of debate on why Statements are peak and why they aren't
It just won't happen though, At best, Curse Naoya will be stated to be Mach 10
 
Arkenis said:
Those sound statements for the high tiers?
And you just ain’t been here for long, plenty of people have brought up MHA’s inconsistencies. I don’t know much but if those sound statements are for crucial points or abilities in the verse then they should be downgraded properly.

AND yes plenty of big verses have gone through major downgrades, Naruto used to have ftl and high 6a for base god tiers, they used to be ISLAND level, Bleach has been in a pit of hell with its speed scaling and constantly getting changed and reduced. OP is literally locked, Black Clover used to have a bunch of earlier arcs LS and mftl and now its limited to rel and LS and eos mftl. I don’t even know much about Marvel but I know 1-A has been downgraded criticised and redone, I believe there’s been like three crts on their tier 5 scaling because it was scaled off like one grey hulk calc.

You just haven’t seen the endless downgrades, caps, arguments and upgrades that the verses have gone through.

JJK is just in its now, we used to have 7-A scaling three years ago, went down to 7-C, 8-A, now we’re kinda in the H7C zone, despite what anyone thinks who disagrees with the speed crt, the verse has been consistently sub-hypersonic on page and in calcs for 5yrs (except Toji being sub rel one time).
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First off, yes alot of the statements about sound in MHA comes from people that the wiki scales at Relativistic+. I won't call them high tiers cause, despite watching most of it I still haven't finished it plus not a big in-verse guy on it.

Notice how in all the verses you mentioned, the option has always been going off feats regardless and not using stuff like how kishimoto said naruto verses would lose to regular guns (sounds familiar? It should cause you tried using the same thing as supporting for JJK being low in speed). All those situations still ended up with the verse going off feats and not just a statement (other than apparently black clover from what mommy said irc?)

All statement contradictions in stuff like MHA were ignored because they make no sense with what the story shows, which is how it should go here as well.
Same with how we don't scale bleach ppl way lower because "kubo wrote them doing kilojoules attacks"
My issue isn't the verse being upgraded or downgraded, it's how the verse is being capped.
 
Mommyleona said:
*our ☝️
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Mb lol, true.
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
To be fair, with how the thread is going, I don't think anything is being thrown away lol
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I'm doubtful. I am going to push for it despite disagreeing with it, because it's at least more consistent with the people who want to enforce statements as if that is the main narrative enforcement in a visual art form. And if that gets accepted, I am going to push for everyone to get nuked to Wall level to be consistent with treating statements with the utmost importance over what actually is shown to happen, regardless of how many feats may contradict it. Small Building level for Special Grades maybe tho, not sure yet.

But I am likely to leave this verse after that. I don't think the wiki has the capacity to scale it even a little relatively honestly. I'll still read the manga and shit, but I don't see much point continuing here. Especially if hours of work people put in can just get swept under a rug, because then why would I wanna risk wasting hours of work if that could happen? It's just not a smart investment.
 
Rodriiogo said:
First off, yes alot of the statements about sound in MHA comes from people that the wiki scales at Relativistic+. I won't call them high tiers cause, despite watching most of it I still haven't finished it plus not a big in-verse guy on it.

Notice how in all the verses you mentioned, the option has always been going off feats regardless and not using stuff like how kishimoto said naruto verses would lose to regular guns (sounds familiar? It should cause you tried using the same thing as supporting for JJK being low in speed). All those situations still ended up with the verse going off feats and not just a statement (other than apparently black clover from what mommy said irc?)

All statement contradictions in stuff like MHA were ignored because they make no sense with what the story shows, which is how it should go here as well.
Same with how we don't scale bleach ppl way lower because "kubo wrote them doing kilojoules attacks"
My issue isn't the verse being upgraded or downgraded, it's how the verse is being capped.
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It ain't the only verse tbf
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Dandadan

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Electronic74947 said:
Guys, what happens if next chapter, tsukumi and maru are stated to be moving at mach 5 which is normal for a grade 1? Does that become an outlier now because of naoya?



I'm curious how this would work
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If the cap is implemented it'll be a bit messy but it should really only apply to the high tiers pre-Shinjuku and below.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
One panel
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He did it, then chased her, couldn't tag her cause of her precog, then he completely stopped moving in the air.
Which is why the other fools could tag him
LIFE_OF_KING said:
You don't need to act like an asshole, ya know
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It ain't asshole behavior, it's the fact that the whole united fandom thinks she needs to be faster
LIFE_OF_KING said:
I'm not saying that Maki scales. My problem is saying that Naoya wasnt at top speed
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which for some reason is a bad take why???
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Didn't she count the exact frames even when he was going at almost mach speed?
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I have no issue with this, she definitely did this and she counted

i don't like when people try to scale her to that mach 3 shit and act as if it's a solid fact
 
KingTempest said:
He did it, then chased her, couldn't tag her cause of her precog, then he completely stopped moving in the air.
Which is why the other fools could tag him

It ain't asshole behavior, it's the fact that the whole united fandom thinks she needs to be faster

which for some reason is a bad take why???

I have no issue with this, she definitely did this and she counted

i don't like when people try to scale her to that mach 3 shit and act as if it's a solid fact
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Do you think Kenjaku can open the mouth of his brain? Could he do a brainjob?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It ain't the only verse tbf
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dandadan

For detailed information about this series, visit the Dandadan wiki. Dandadan (ダンダダン) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Yukinobu Tatsu. It has been serialized in Shueisha's Shōnen Jump+service since April 2021, with its chapters collected into seven tankōbon volumes as of...
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And if I was a dandandan scaler I'd be saying the same thing (if the verse is actually being capped over statements and feats are being ignored), it's stupid regardless of the verse
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It ain't the only verse tbf
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dandadan

For detailed information about this series, visit the Dandadan wiki. Dandadan (ダンダダン) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Yukinobu Tatsu. It has been serialized in Shueisha's Shōnen Jump+service since April 2021, with its chapters collected into seven tankōbon volumes as of...
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I mean, does dandadan have speed calcs like that? I don't know if the verse has any noticeable speed feats which would push above the stated limit for Turbo Granny?
 
Duedate8898 said:
I mean, does dandadan have speed calcs like that? I don't know if the verse has any noticeable speed feats which would push above the stated limit for Turbo Granny?
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A lot.
 
Rodriiogo said:
JJK could be subsonic, I'd be fine if the argument is actually good and not just "look at this statements, ignore the feats"
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Honestly I just like subsonic cause it's more consistent/has the most feats on top of being mostly in line with statements

LaserPrecision said:
Mb lol, true.

I'm doubtful. I am going to push for it despite disagreeing with it, because it's at least more consistent with the people who want to enforce statements as if that is the main narrative enforcement in a visual art form. And if that gets accepted, I am going to push for everyone to get nuked to Wall level to be consistent with treating statements with the utmost importance over what actually is shown to happen, regardless of how many feats may contradict it. Small Building level for Special Grades maybe tho, not sure yet.

But I am likely to leave this verse after that. I don't think the wiki has the capacity to scale it even a little relatively honestly. I'll still read the manga and shit, but I don't see much point continuing here. Especially if hours of work people put in can just get swept under a rug, because then why would I wanna risk wasting hours of work if that could happen? It's just not a smart investment.
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Bro's really gonna go scorched earth then leave. Respectable I guess
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Dandadan's honestly worse cause every single speed showing is higher than the cap lol
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Oh, then do the calcs and get it passed. Especially if the calcs aren't related to Turbo Granny. She shouldn't really cap the verse especially after that spiral training Okarun did. There should be some solid wiggle room if you got the calcs for it
 
KingTempest said:
????????????????? yo yall are WEIRDDDDDD
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Honestly I just like subsonic cause it's more consistent/has the most feats on top of being mostly in line with statements
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That's fair, all I'm saying is that if calcs above that show up they shouldn't be rejected just because they above that "cap" (which already happened to alot of calcs and should be fixed)

However I wanna point out that basically any verse will have "The most amount of feats" at subsonic if you calculate nearly every scene like the wiki did.
You can probably get 1000 subsonic calcs for dragon ball, won't mean the "Nimbus is mach 1.5 and it blitzes saiyan saga nappa and vegeta" statement is now consistent since other feats exist
 
KingTempest said:
"Full speed"
oh brother
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Even if he wasn't full speed, he was still going all out and using Projection Sorcery, which is why Maki could understand it in the first place. The high tiers are not gonna be getting held back by any superhuman speed calc
 
Buraqibear said:
Even if he wasn't full speed, he was still going all out and using Projection Sorcery, which is why Maki could understand it in the first place. The high tiers are not gonna be getting held back by any superhuman speed calc
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thats right, they're going to be subsonic
 
Buraqibear said:
Even if he wasn't full speed, he was still going all out and using Projection Sorcery, which is why Maki could understand it in the first place. The high tiers are not gonna be getting held back by any superhuman speed calc
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You're saying things that have 0 correlation
Maki is slower than Naoya
Maki is physically inferior to the likes of even base Naoya
We literally see full speed naoya dashing past her when he's finally moving full speed.
The only thing that allowed maki to hit him was heightened senses
I dangerously fail to understand how you look at this and say "oh yeah she's up there with him"
 
Well it appears that after 7 pages we now have 1 neutral vote, 1 vote for superhuman cap, and 1 vote for keeping it as it is. Truly nothing ever happens

Rodriiogo said:
That's fair, all I'm saying is that if calcs above that show up they shouldn't be rejected just because they above that "cap" (which already happened to alot of calcs and should be fixed)

However I wanna point out that basically any verse will have "The most amount of feats" at subsonic if you calculate nearly every scene like the wiki did.
You can probably get 1000 subsonic calcs for dragon ball, won't mean the "Nimbus is mach 1.5 and it blitzes saiyan saga nappa and vegeta" statement is now consistent since other feats exist
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Fair, and yeah I get that, though for JJK the statements and calcs are for the most part around the same range which is why I keep it around the subsonic range, ignoring a few outliers cough cough EM wave cough cough. Probably also relevant to note that I don't keep everyone at subsonic, just grade 1 and below. Other dudes I have at around supersonic off of special grades and their level being able to dodge PB.

Also most of my scaling ignores the anime which is probably why it's on a lower level
 
KingTempest said:
You're saying things that have 0 correlation
Maki is slower than Naoya
Maki is physically inferior to the likes of even base Naoya
We literally see full speed naoya dashing past her when he's finally moving full speed.
The only thing that allowed maki to hit him was heightened senses
I dangerously fail to understand how you look at this and say "oh yeah she's up there with him"
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Dawg. She was literally catching his punches and counting them.
 
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