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[ACCEPTED] Reality Quest CRT (Post-Training + Post-Dragon's Nest + Season 2 Speed Scaling)

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CatLover313 said:
Alright, since the rest of downgrade thread is more than likely not going to effect anything and the transonic feats are all gone, here is the new speed scaling I want to update/recommend:

Dowan (Post-Training):
  • Combat Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Soh Sung-Woo who performed this), Subsonic in Auto-Mode (58.06 m/s) (Performed this), Possibly Subsonic with boosters (103.5 m/s) (Boosters provide a possible 5x speed increase)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Dowan (Post-Dragon's Nest):
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s) (Comparable if not faster than his Weaker Auto-mode self who performed this), Possibly Subsonic+ with Boosters (290.3 m/s)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Season 2 (Dowan):
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s), Subsonic with skills (166 m/s), Possibly Subsonic+ with Boosters (290.3 m/s)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Dae Bujin:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Fought evenly with Dowan using skills), Possibly Subsonic+ (290.3 m/s) (Easily caught Season 2 Dowan with boosters for a moment)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
Gong Cheol:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Caught and overwhelmed Season 2 Dowan using his skills)), Possibly Subsonic+(Comparable to Dae Bujin)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
XXX:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Comparable to Gong Cheol), Possibly Subsonic+(Dae Bujin stated that Dowan beat XXX only because he let himself get hit)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
Until we get some other feats accepted, I believe this is what is best so far. What are everyone's thoughts before I update the original comment?
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Why aren’t you using supersonic calc?
 
Viott said:
Why aren’t you using supersonic calc?
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If you mean this one, this would only apply to Dowan when all his stats are finally released. There could be arguments for when Dowan gets his Great Body considering it's acknowledged in-verse and through calculations as his biggest power boost more than the other times he's increased his stats, and use it for that Key, but that's for the thread with DeltaStriker as this is all the speed keys before Great Body. However, the supersonic calc definitely doesn't apply to his 1st, 2nd, or 3rd growth stats (i.e. this thread keys).
 
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CatLover313 said:
If you mean this one, this would only apply to Dowan when all his stats are finally released. There could be arguments for when Dowan gets his Great Body considering it's acknowledged in-verse and through calculations as his biggest power boost more than the other times he's increased his stats, and use it for that Key, but that's for the thread with DeltaStriker as this is all the speed keys before Great Body. However, the supersonic calc definitely doesn't apply to his 1st, 2nd, or 3rd growth stats (i.e. this thread keys).
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As long as Dowan’s speed does not decrease, the calculation can be used.
 
Viott said:
As long as Dowan’s speed does not decrease, the calculation can be used.
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It’s been a while since I read the BoS, but when he did the feat, he has his max stats (1000). However, directly after he beat up the bully, his stats got decreased down to 1 each and his current stats (as of chapter 186) should be still around ~700s, so we need to wait for him to reach his max stats (likely just one more stat boost), for the calc to start being directly applicable.
 
CatLover313 said:
It’s been a while since I read the BoS, but when he did the feat, he has his max stats (1000). However, directly after he beat up the bully, his stats got decreased down to 1 each and his current stats (as of chapter 186) should be still around ~700s, so we need to wait for him to reach his max stats (likely just one more stat boost), for the calc to start being directly applicable.
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I forgot about that. In that case, I agree.
 
Pre-training Dowan is baseline subsonic (At least 34.3 m/s; Comparable to Cho Il-Seok who can dodge Blind Spot Strike, a skill that Seong-U So, someone who possesses Superhuman speed couldn't react to)

Post-training Dowan should upscale this and have his speed upgraded to:
At least Subsonic (34.3 m/s), likely higher (Far faster than his previous key), Subsonic in Auto-Mode (58.06 m/s) (Performed this), Possibly at least Subsonic+, likely higher with boosters (171.5 m/s) (Boosters provide a possible 5x speed increase)
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Pre-training Dowan is baseline subsonic (At least 34.3 m/s; Comparable to Cho Il-Seok who can dodge Blind Spot Strike, a skill that Seong-U So, someone who possesses Superhuman speed couldn't react to)

Post-training Dowan should upscale this and have his speed upgraded to:
At least Subsonic (34.3 m/s), likely higher (Far faster than his previous key), Subsonic in Auto-Mode (58.06 m/s) (Performed this), Possibly at least Subsonic+, likely higher with boosters (171.5 m/s) (Boosters provide a possible 5x speed increase)
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Updated the Post-Training Key, forgot what his Pre-Training key was.
 
CatLover313 said:
Dowan (Post-Dragon's Nest):
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s) (Comparable if not faster than his Weaker Auto-mode self who performed this), Possibly Subsonic+ with Boosters (290.3 m/s)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
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Dowan’s base should scale to his previous key booster scaling, placing him above Gwangmyeong Kim, who fought Dowan evenly while using boosters for reference, check Chapter 59

It should be Subsonic+ “171.5 m/s”, Supersonic+ “857.5 m/s”
 
Also, while checking his profile i found this, I found this, which might be enough proof for a ×2 amplification.
 
Pedonar said:
Also, while checking his profile i found this, I found this, which might be enough proof for a ×2 amplification.
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Artist statements appear to need a mention of the author for legibility. That's why the Booster statement got accepted because the artist mentioned that the author believes its way higher than 5x.
 
Pedonar said:
Dowan’s base should scale to his previous key booster scaling, placing him above Gwangmyeong Kim, who fought Dowan evenly while using boosters for reference, check Chapter 59

It should be Subsonic+ “171.5 m/s”, Supersonic+ “857.5 m/s”
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Not a big fan chainscaling the Booster multiplier through different stat growths. Going to cause huge speed numbers that haven't been shown yet. The only thing acceptable is GB being faster than 3rd Growth Booster Dowan because it was implied in the series.
 
CatLover313 said:
Not a big fan chainscaling the Booster multiplier through different stat growths. Going to cause huge speed numbers that haven't been shown yet. The only thing acceptable is GB being faster than 3rd Growth Booster Dowan because it was implied in the series.
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It’s not only based on stat growth.

It’s also tied to his fight with Kim. Kim was compared to Han Eun-sung, and the system even stated that there was a complete level difference when Black Lock was used.

Because of his rage power, Dowan should scale to Kim, who is above Gwangmyeong Kim.

So it should be Subsonic (58.06 m/s) up to Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) with rage power

Then boosters up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s)
 
Pedonar said:
It’s not only based on stat growth.

It’s also tied to his fight with Kim. Kim was compared to Han Eun-sung, and the system even stated that there was a complete level difference when Black Lock was used.

Because of his rage power, Dowan should scale to Kim, who is above Gwangmyeong Kim.

So it should be Subsonic (58.06 m/s) up to Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) with rage power

Then boosters up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s)
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Why is Kim and Han Eun-sung at subsonic+ (171.5 m/s)?
 
CatLover313 said:
Why is Kim and Han Eun-sung at subsonic+ (171.5 m/s)?
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  1. They are high-tier characters.
  2. The system stated that kim is on a completely different level, and that even Black Lock didn’t stand a chance against him.
  3. They are stronger than Gwang Kim.
Just like how Dae Bujin was scaled to boosters, the same logic should apply here.

Then they upscale above Gwang
 
Pedonar said:
  1. They are high-tier characters.
  2. The system stated that kim is on a completely different level, and that even Black Lock didn’t stand a chance against him.
  3. They are stronger than Gwang Kim.
Just like how Dae Bujin was scaled to boosters, the same logic should apply here.

Then they upscale above Gwang
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Actually, going back to the Gwang Kim scaling. Technically, Gwang Kim never caught Post-Training Boosters Dowan. Just went back to chapter 67 and 68. After Dowan initially attacks Gwang Kim with Booster, he deactivates it and uses Multi-Strike Destruction on Gwang Kim. We also know that Dowan has 5 minute reset time on Booster after it's deactivation. So there isn't really anything scaling Gwang Kim to Post-Training Boosters Dowan.

Edit: Oh haha, Gwang Kim is the guy with the crutch. Yeah, he was fighting evenly with Post Training Boosters Dowan. I completely forgot about that. Though it’s a little tough to find direct scaling for him because he’s not connected to anyone. I may advocate for a change later.

I understand scaling Han Eusung above the Ex Reps and giving him the same ratings as them. Also, I personally don't believe Kim is actually on Eunsung's level, he is still a high tier representative as a baseline but that doesn't mean they're on the same exact "level". Need more evidence to put Kim at the level of Eunsung.

Also, not a big fan of circular scaling so I rather refrain from saying since Dowan with Boosters was caught by character A, character A is as strong as character B, then Base Dowan beat up character B, he is at the same speed as his booster self.
 
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@DeltaStriker22 I realized that in chapter 61-63, Gwang Kim (Guy with the crutch) was able to fight Dowan kind of evenly when he activated boosters. Should I change Post Dragons Nest Dowan, Season 2 Dowan, and the rest of the characters to 34.3*5 = 171.5 m/s (Subsonic)? Or should I just leave it? I know that the multiplier statement along with some threads have things like not repeatedly using multipliers on the same multiplier along with only applying to the best feat.
 
Something like this?

post-dragon's nest: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s) (Comparable if not faster than his Weaker Auto-mode self who performed this), possibly Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) (Faster than Gwang Kim who could fight evenly with post-training Dowan with boosters active), higher with Skills, possibly at least Subsonic+ (290.3 m/s) up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s) with Boosters

Season 2: Subsonic (166 m/s) (At worst, downscales from this feat for his base speed), possibly Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) (Far faster than his previous key), at least Subsonic likely far higher with skills (166 m/s), possibly Supersonic (830 m/s) up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s) with Boosters
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Something like this?

post-dragon's nest: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s) (Comparable if not faster than his Weaker Auto-mode self who performed this), possibly Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) (Faster than Gwang Kim who could fight evenly with post-training Dowan with boosters active), higher with Skills, possibly at least Subsonic+ (290.3 m/s) up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s) with Boosters

Season 2: Subsonic (166 m/s) (At worst, downscales from this feat for his base speed), possibly Subsonic+ (171.5 m/s) (Far faster than his previous key), at least Subsonic likely far higher with skills (166 m/s), possibly Supersonic (830 m/s) up to Supersonic+ (857.5 m/s) with Boosters
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Dang, this looks messy…. Whatever, I’ll change the crt later to reflect it unless anyone has huge disagreements
 
CatLover313 said:
Alright, since the rest of downgrade thread is more than likely not going to effect anything and the transonic feats are all gone, here is the new speed scaling I want to update/recommend:

Dowan (Post-Training):
  • Combat Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Soh Sung-Woo who performed this), Subsonic in Auto-Mode (58.06 m/s) (Performed this), Possibly Subsonic with boosters (103.5 m/s) (Boosters provide a possible 5x speed increase)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Dowan (Post-Dragon's Nest):
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s) (Comparable if not faster than his Weaker Auto-mode self who performed this), Possibly Subsonic+ with Boosters (290.3 m/s)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Faster than Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Season 2 (Dowan):
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (58.06 m/s), Subsonic with skills (166 m/s), Possibly Subsonic+ with Boosters (290.3 m/s)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo) and Possibly Subsonic with Boosters (103.50 m/s)
Dae Bujin:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Fought evenly with Dowan using skills), Possibly Subsonic+ (290.3 m/s) (Easily caught Season 2 Dowan with boosters for a moment)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
Gong Cheol:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Caught and overwhelmed Season 2 Dowan using his skills)), Possibly Subsonic+(Comparable to Dae Bujin)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
XXX:
  • Combat Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s) (Comparable to Gong Cheol), Possibly Subsonic+(Dae Bujin stated that Dowan beat XXX only because he let himself get hit)
  • Travel: Superhuman (20.7 m/s) (Scales way above Season 1 Soh Sung-Woo), Likely Higher
Until we get some other feats accepted, I believe this is what is best so far. What are everyone's thoughts before I update the original comment?
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This is fine.
 
Thank you, I’ll make the changes tonight. This can be closed!
 
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