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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

i wanna get that CRT we talked about a while back done for the verse done soon (probably after the tournament yixuan's participating in rn finishes up). do we have a common consensus on what'll be changed/upgraded?

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ZZZ: Banyue pushes up pillars of rock pt. 2

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we can at least bump up the VH level agents to 7-C with this feat since it got approved. i guess whether or not anyone else aside from banyue himself and the VH tiers can get this is something we can talk about

that qingyi feat seems like it still needs to be reviewed so i guess we can wait to see how that turns out. i know we mentioned changing the ratings of some agents so everyone isn't on the same level but that's also probably something that needs a lengthier discussion
 
1. Banyue feat
2. Inverse scaling (agents scaling to each other, sacrifice scaling slop, section 6 scaling to Miyabi)
3. Speed related stuff (vital view, lightning feat, calcs using the janky animation of characters blocking bullets, etc)

I think 3 CRTs should split everything up nicely and cover a lot of things
 
1. Scaling Banyue, Void Hunters to this sounds good to me
2. Downgrading Section 6 should probably be on the agenda. Removing cross-scaling is imo an unnecessary change because sooner or later they'll cross-scale anyway given we've seen them on the frontlines with each other as well as the overlap of Ethereals and fights
3. I'm down for the Vital View removal from characters who hadn't demonstrated it. Lightning feat I'm not invested in. We're keeping the bullet calc.
 
Baken384 said:
when i hit the first rotation and out of all the s ranks i got its koleda
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Oof
 
I hope they going in more on W-engine lore next patch

And ohhhhh lightning parry feats annnnd people don't seem to like it

Damn
 
Naito-desu said:
1. Scaling Banyue, Void Hunters to this sounds good to me
2. Downgrading Section 6 should probably be on the agenda. Removing cross-scaling is imo an unnecessary change because sooner or later they'll cross-scale anyway given we've seen them on the frontlines with each other as well as the overlap of Ethereals and fights
3. I'm down for the Vital View removal from characters who hadn't demonstrated it. Lightning feat I'm not invested in. We're keeping the bullet calc.
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VV removal from non-evasive characters should be fine yeah. i'm not super invested on speed stuff either since most matches on here equalize speed anyways

downgrading section 6 should be fine. it feels a bit weird to only have banyue and VH tiers scale to that 7-C feat though. like i don't think there's some mind boggingly huge gap between banyue and other stronger agents like yanagi for example, but that's just me.

also, would the VH tiers also scale to the LS for the banyue feat? it'd give them a pretty substantial buff in that regard
 
Banyue LS scaling probably wouldn't work with Void Hunters unless otherwise stated or proven. Avatar, a verse with similar feats, only gives it on the basis of bending, meaning that it wouldn't really work with other VH tiers.

For now, I'd just work with AP.

Yanagi and Section 6 are definitely in that gray zone of higher than the others but not Void Hunter.
 
Naito-desu said:
Banyue LS scaling probably wouldn't work with Void Hunters unless otherwise stated or proven. Avatar, a verse with similar feats, only gives it on the basis of bending, meaning that it wouldn't really work with other VH tiers.

For now, I'd just work with AP.

Yanagi and Section 6 are definitely in that gray zone of higher than the others but not Void Hunter.
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Eh

ZZZ verse lifting strength is already pretty good.

VDs definitely should scale above Banyue in term of AP
 
Yeah, I'm just saying I wouldn't necessarily give it without any direct interaction with Banyue's earth manipulation. I'd even give it to Banyue with "Earth Manipulation" rather than just having him scale to it physically and directly with his body until further proof or notice.

I'm open to it but I don't see a strong case for it atm
 
Naito-desu said:
Banyue LS scaling probably wouldn't work with Void Hunters unless otherwise stated or proven. Avatar, a verse with similar feats, only gives it on the basis of bending, meaning that it wouldn't really work with other VH tiers.
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yeah that's fair

Naito-desu said:
Yanagi and Section 6 are definitely in that gray zone of higher than the others but not Void Hunter.
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i'm not really sure what we should do here tbh. i think yanagi and the rest of section 6 are in that "sub void hunter" class where they should be stronger than most base agents but obviously weaker than the VHs. banyue would probably also fall into that category, but then would we also just scale section 6 to the banyue feat? like i said i don't think there's some overwhelmingly massive gap between banyue and section 6 to the point where they're entire tiers apart, but i guess section 6 being in the same tier as miyabi also just feels a little weird even if miyabi would be upscaling from the feat
 
Sooshirohl said:
i'm not really sure what we should do here tbh. i think yanagi and the rest of section 6 are in that "sub void hunter" class where they should be stronger than most base agents but obviously weaker than the VHs. banyue would probably also fall into that category, but then would we also just scale section 6 to the banyue feat? like i said i don't think there's some overwhelmingly massive gap between banyue and section 6 to the point where they're entire tiers apart, but i guess section 6 being in the same tier as miyabi also just feels a little weird even if miyabi would be upscaling from the feat
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Scale people to their own feats, that’s what we do.
Sec6 upscale whatever Anby should be at.
 
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I can list a couple of things that should go or at least needs proper evidence to back them up.
Billy shouldn’t be scaling to Anby in physicals, I don’t know who even suggested that.
Striking strength should be unknown, LS should be unknown, durability.
Speed should be fine I think, his AP should have a split, unknown without guns, and building level with his guns.
 
That's what striking strength is for so it's redundant to remove it for his AP, other characters have guns/bending/elementals as part of their main AP already
 
Also looking up some lore, TIL Caesar's prosthetic is just Billy's spare arm so that's neat
 
Has the Soldier 0 Anby feat been calc'd yet?

It's likely not on the level of the Banyue feat, but it'd still be nice to have an idea on the level of it.
 
Also I feel like we should keep the Void Hunter Weapons in mind.

Not only were they highlighted in this latest story.

We know of two of them as well as two pseudo Void hunter Weapons/Replicas

Void Hunter Weapons
Qingming Sword
Tailless

Pseudo/Replica Void Hunter Weapons
Qingming Bird
Tigerbane Bell
 
Watching it again, I'm very certain that it was meant to be one of those "Helpless/Weak/Run Slower in your Dreams" type of thing where Ye Shunguang couldn't fight common Ethereals to save Wise as part of a subconscious fear she has, but the slander is so goddamn funny lol
 
Idk if yall keep up with Beta or not but
The new boss has a control event like The Creator and there’s a giant Mech in the back that attacks you alongside the Boss, you can actually parry the strike from it, lol.
Normally I don’t like scaling off pure gameplay but I feel like there might be something in the actual story that might show something. Just wanted to mention it
 
BiggestOpp said:
Idk if yall keep up with Beta or not but
The new boss has a control event like The Creator and there’s a giant Mech in the back that attacks you alongside the Boss, you can actually parry the strike from it, lol.
Normally I don’t like scaling off pure gameplay but I feel like there might be something in the actual story that might show something. Just wanted to mention it
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i do keep up with leak stuff but i don't usually keep up with the new boss mechanics/combat. that definitely seems interesting though, might be worth looking into when 2.6 officially releases
 
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