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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

If you really know Genshin lore, then try to answer these questions and let us know how many rights you got. I'll tell you mine later
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The heck u mean the lyrics say
Our limits are the four gods. Now aren't they under my feet?
Life, Death, Space and Time.
These four gods are under me.
Being born again, Dying again and being born again
I have he four under my control
I want to be the same as Heavenly Principles
Are the lyrics telling us he is shade lvl?
Also @Puppet43 how wide was the Och Kan hole?
Didnt i already told u?
 
as I expected, the 5 fundamental aspects he mentioned refer to the four shades not the 3 moon goddesses
Why would he referred to the 3 moon goddesses anyway, they're not the embodiments of these aspects like the four shades.
 
Don't many think that it refers to the 3 moon goddesses? Even on CRTs, the conceptual drop in shade.
They're just coping, they just think "Controlling = Embodiment" which is stupid if you think abt it. Not to mention they're all full of non-sequitur, "because they control these aspects before the four shades came here, therefore they're the origin of these metaphysical aspects" This alone is also a logical fallacy.
 
They're just coping, they just think "Controlling = Embodiment" which is stupid if you think abt it. Not to mention they're all full of non-sequitur, "because they control these aspects before the four shades came here, therefore they're the origin of these metaphysical aspects" This alone is also a logical fallacy.
Arguments based on belief cannot be justified
 
"because they control these aspects before the four shades came here, therefore they're the origin of these metaphysical aspects" This alone is also a logical fallacy.
When you literally goddamn know that those sisters are literally shares these aspects amongst themselves and had promised to never consolidate them into one singular body to avoid them being too powerful.
 
Arguments based on belief cannot be justified
That CRT is full of misinformations, it's insane, and i feel so bad that the mods fell for it.

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When you literally goddamn know that those sisters are literally shares these aspects amongst themselves and had promised to never consolidate them into one singular body to avoid them being too powerful.
The 3 moon goddesses cannot determine life, death, space, and time. They only regulate the old world order so that it runs, they cannot create space and time, they cannot determine who dies and who lives, they only regulate the cycle of tides. That's why the heavenly principles don't consider them a threat and allow them to live. Because their principles do not conflict with the principles of shades, shades that create the boundaries of humanity, the 3 moon goddesses cannot do that, that's why in ancient times there were no boundaries of life and death, and also no time. Voyager confirmed that he saw directly the 3 moon goddesses and 4 shades exist simultaneously, so saying the 4 shades are a substitute for the 3 moon goddesses is completely wrong.
 
I wanted to close this thread already, like i dont even have any moods to keep it and bumping it. 🙃

 
💀Finally we can stop with the shades agenda. Columbina will be stronger than shades
This won't happen, because it's just a dream of the dottore, he doesn't even meet the level of shades at all.
The 3 moon goddesses have also confirmed that they are not strong enough to defeat shades and phanes
 
I wanted to close this thread already, like i dont even have any moods to keep it and bumping it. 🙃

just close it
 
This won't happen, because it's just a dream of the dottore, he doesn't even meet the level of shades at all.
The 3 moon goddesses have also confirmed that they are not strong enough to defeat shades and phanes
It said entity (H.P) not shades. Where do you get they are inferior to the shades when that haven't been stated?
 
It said entity (H.P) not shades. Where do you get they are inferior to the shades when that haven't been stated?
No, called it phanes, she called it the new side, the new side is the shadow and phanes, because shades are the shadow/projection of phanes itself.
it's just a wishful thinking dottore, nothing more and nothing less.
 
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It said entity (H.P) not shades. Where do you get they are inferior to the shades when that haven't been stated?
The Shades and Heavenly Principles are one, the shades are the emanations of it.

We got the Authority of the Three Moons with the powers that is similar to Heavenly Principles, which is: Reason, Life, Death, Time and Space. What's the difference? The difference is their “governing” is not comparable in scope.

The Moon Sisters operate at the level of ordering, observing, and regulating cycles within an already-existing system and are specifically operate for Teyvat only, while Heavenly Principles operate at the level of what reality is allowed to be. That's why, these sisters even though they possesses similar powers, they're still nowhere near strong enough to even challenge the Heavenly Principles with its Authorities.
 
No, called it phanes, he called it the new side, the new side is the shadow and phanes, because shades are the shadow/projection of phanes itself.
it's just a wishful thinking dottore, nothing more and nothing less.
He doesn't make it seems like it was just wishful thinking nor is it hinted to be wishful thinking narratively. Plus Genshin is very clear the moon sisters were no match to H.P. (an singular entity) Unless you believe the shades are equally strong as H.P which would be wrong.
 
The Shades and Heavenly Principles are one, the shades are the emanations of it.
But are the shades and H.P on the same level and equal strength as H.P? The moon sisters were said to be of no match to a singular entity which is confirmed to be phanes not the shades.
 
But are the shades and H.P on the same level and equal strength as H.P? The moon sisters were said to be of no match to a singular entity which is confirmed to be phanes not the shades.
This is talking about Hierarchy, because indeed Reason is hierarchically are above the rest because Reason is the one who defined the rest. So this is about Hierarchy.

We must know that Phanes already have the Authorities of Life, Death, Time and Space even before he created the embodiments for each of these.
 
He doesn't make it seems like it was just wishful thinking nor is it hinted to be wishful thinking narratively. Plus Genshin is very clear the moon sisters were no match to H.P. (an singular entity) Unless you believe the shades are equally strong as H.P which would be wrong.
This is clearly just wishful thinking, and there's nothing to prove it. What proves that Dotore can defeat Shades? Just a one-sided statement from the song lyrics, which are clearly filled with poetic words and Dotore's own imagination?
We might even see Dotore fight the Nod-Krai people, and place all Nod-Krai characters at Shades' level? This is clearly wrong.

First, Dotore doesn't even reach Shades' level, unless it's shown that he can actually fight Shades.

Second, Dotore is only a false god by borrowing the authority of the Moon Goddess.

Third, the Moon Goddess isn't even stronger than Shades, as they couldn't defeat the new entity and decided to submit to the new rules.

So, there's nothing to prove Dotore is at Shades' level.
 
But are the shades and H.P on the same level and equal strength as H.P? The moon sisters were said to be of no match to a singular entity which is confirmed to be phanes not the shades.
shades and phanes are one entity, because they are emanations or projections of phanes itself, that's why ronova said that they are shadows of tianli itself, and are very against asmoday changing sides, because that would be the same as betraying themselves (phanes)
 
This is clearly just wishful thinking, and there's nothing to prove it. What proves that Dotore can defeat Shades? Just a one-sided statement from the song lyrics, which are clearly filled with poetic words and Dotore's own imagination?
Pierro literally confirms it is possible to kill a god (and he is def not talking about archons) based on defeating Dottore
We might even see Dotore fight the Nod-Krai people, and place all Nod-Krai characters at Shades' level? This is clearly wrong.
He is literally superior to everyone there and allows himself to be defeated.
First, Dotore doesn't even reach Shades' level, unless it's shown that he can actually fight Shades.
He reach their level by having better feats than them lmao
Second, Dotore is only a false god by borrowing the authority of the Moon Goddess.

Third, the Moon Goddess isn't even stronger than Shades, as they couldn't defeat the new entity and decided to submit to the new rules.

So, there's nothing to prove Dotore is at Shades' level.
So you believe shades and Phanes are exact same in power 😷 Cuz there is no way, You see a text that is explicity about Phanes and suddenly includes the shades in it. It is literally stated they were defeated by phanes and not the shades.
 
shades and phanes are one entity, because they are emanations or projections of phanes itself, that's why ronova said that they are shadows of tianli itself, and are very against asmoday changing sides, because that would be the same as betraying themselves (phanes)
Just because they are his shadow doesn't mean they are the same person because Tsarista and rhinedottir mades a distinction between them and the Heavenly principles lmao. Even on an ontological hierachy, HP is vastly superior to the shades. Alice in context was clearly referring to h.p and not phanes
 
He reach their level by having better feats than them lmao
not one hahaha
So you believe shades and Phanes are exact same in power 😷 Cuz there is no way, You see a text that is explicity about Phanes and suddenly includes the shades in it. It is literally stated they were defeated by phanes and not the shades.
they are not in the same hierarchy, they are only one level below the phanes, and the moon goddess is below them.

because the shades are projections of the phanes themselves, that's why they are said to be new parties by the goddess of the moon
 
Just because they are his shadow doesn't mean they are the same person because Tsarista and rhinedottir mades a distinction between them and the Heavenly principles lmao. Even on an ontological hierachy, HP is vastly superior to the shades. Alice in context was clearly referring to h.p and not phanes
the problem now is that we are not talking about their differences, but the problem of dotore not reaching the level of shades, as well as the moon goddess, because they are completely unable to shift the position of the new world order
 
He reach their level by having better feats than them lmao
Better feats? What better feats?
All that powers just to be Ronova's death manip victim. She can kill everything he does, even that pocket reality he created can be killed by Ronova just by a single thought lol.

Just because they are his shadow doesn't mean they are the same person because Tsarista and rhinedottir mades a distinction between them and the Heavenly principles lmao. Even on an ontological hierachy, HP is vastly superior to the shades. Alice in context was clearly referring to h.p and not phanes
Emanation without loss of supremacy. That means, the Heavenly Principles remains ontologically prior, while the Shades act as its extensions into structured reality.
 
Can people in the game just call the traveler "Descender" just like dottore did, that sounds more badass.
 
Citlali literally know and all the archons.
Basically, you just need to be knowledgeable enough.
i dont remember all other archons being aware of him directly being “4th descender” (tsaritsa excluded) simply bcs he comes from another world
 
i dont remember all other archons being aware of him directly being “4th descender” (tsaritsa excluded) simply bcs he comes from another world
Well, the term descender alone is coming from Sumeru, so of course Raiden Zhongli and Venti are never mentioned him as such because that was before Sumeru. But they did know that the Traveler are from another world.
 
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