Your analogy doesn't include the part of forgotten memories. You are arguing from the side that the mother is a liar. I am arguing from the side that she is legit and the other gods are wrong due to their incomplete memories.
Metis said she has no memories of the mother in her library yet the mother was recorded in the darkest page. This shows how much other godheads are unreliable in narration because of their incomplete memories.
If Godheads are “unreliable,” then why should we take the Kizuna descriptions in general into account at all?
Do you not realize that your position literally shoots itself in the foot with what you are trying to defend?
Most Kizuna read as if they were written by some kind of external narrator. So either you question the validity of all of them, or you necessarily accept that, with multiple mythologies coexisting, there are multiple “mothers of all.”
My position is that Mother is a fraud who simply wants to be regarded as everyone’s mother, and that is why she erases others’ memories.
It is just absurd. If she wants to be called mother by everyone and she truly is the mother of everyone, what sense would it make to erase the gods’ memories? That would only make her goal harder to achieve and would gain her nothing at all.
Still this confirmed that Azathoth is stronger than normal godheads. I am not even arguing about Azathoth's AP and this is yog sothoth thread
The reason you are trying to argue that Azathoth is stronger than the average Godhead is because you want to prove that the Outer Gods are ontologically superior to everything else.
But if that were actually the case, Azathoth would have to be absolutely superior to everyone, not just a “hax woman” who never even fights anyone.
Have you forgotten what you are actually trying to defend?
Why don't we start by not trivializing all scans to flowery, poetic.
Because, uh, they are poetic, maybe? You do not need a degree in narrative theory to understand that, in the context of Azathoth’s statements, she is considered a danger precisely because every time she awakens she causes problems. Her Kizuna are literally records of the incidents caused by Azathoth.
Not that if Azathoth walks around the academy a bit everything explodes because the realm cannot contain her power or anything like that. That is a completely different claim.
The Mother and yin yang thing is simply a way of saying that her wandering around the academy would destabilize the status quo, because as I said before, she is a lunatic who goes around erasing memories and trying to convince everyone that they are her children.
If Mother were actually a threat to the structure of yin and yang itself, she would be one from her own realm, and there would be no need for her to walk around Babylon to cause problems.
Context matters for these statements.
Yeah sometimes they fight
Like in a real academy, not everyone is problematic. Azathoth is not even aware of the damage she causes, and there is no reason to beat her to death over it. Honestly, it is ridiculous.
Also iirc, Ultima didn't have a problem with Tao at all. To him, the main point was transcending definitions and other stories supporting the idea of tier 0.
You can read his explanation here.
At the time, everyone for some reason assumed those statements were 100% literal, when there is no reason for them to be, and they are contradicted by the properties shown for Heaven or the white void.
I have already written this like four times in the thread.
But sure, we can wait for staff members.
) who qualify what these terms insinuate for the verses’ metaphysical framework.
