Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Special grade sorcerer does have a weird definition imo. While the manga only says about "taking a country", the guide says that special grades defines a power beyond jujutsu standard without any upper limit of how strong you can get

No clue if it helps anything

 

[Rodriiogo]

You’re coping so hard my guy,

This attack here literally pierced through his shoulder/wing and he says it’s meaningless because it’s not harming his soul, it’s capable of damaging him though but it’s not affecting his soul.
Mahito doesn’t mention it harming his soul until it explodes on him, only then does the simple domain actually take effect.

"This attack" is, once again, a domain tube charged with Kokichi's CT alongside simple domain to explode. The tube already had great potency via being a domain tube amped with Kokichi's CT (which btw were tubes he had in storage inside Mechamaru so it's likely that Kokichi put some Cursed Energy in them before hand since they were already pre-prepared. Like literally THE NEXT PAGE has Mechamaru's body slap mahito with full force and it does 0 DAMAGE to his body so like...???? The simple domain nuked Mahito because it allowed his soul to be damaged yes but Kokichi mixed his CT and high amounts of CE alongside it, this is NOT a random bullet from Mechamaru, stop calling it that lol.

This is shown again once he’s pierced by the finger, simple domain activates, along with it a burst of CE that causes him to blow up presumably.

Are you allergic to just looking at the pages or something? The "finger" was ANOTHER DOMAIN TUBE AMPED BY KOKICHI'S CT, NOT MECHAMARU'S FINGER, we literally see it being charged and appearing through his finger, it isn't actually his finger. His normal fingers ain't even spikey man how did you get to this conclusion:

But that’s not even the worse part.
First you say Mechumaru isn’t damaging Mahito with his normal attacks because that’d suggest normal attacks=special grade output even though he only reaches sg output with years worth of energy.

Idk when I said "that’d suggest normal attacks=special grade output even though he only reaches sg output with years worth of energy.", I said that he isn't damaging Mahito with his normal attacks... because he literally does no damage at all lol.

Then you go on to say unless he bleeds he isn’t really taking damage and being burnt doesn’t really mean anything, for whatever reason. So like, which one is it???

Read the rest of my convo with Eden instead of cutting it midway through.

 

[Mommyleona]

Kenjaku says due to the requirements of a special grade, Yuki should have a higher output technique.

that is not what he said, he said she MIGHT EVEN HAVE an extension technique, as in Maximum technique, you're also completely missing how she was assigned special grade with higher ups having 0 knowledge on her cursed technique, meaning her output alone IS enough

 

[BiggestOpp]

I already explained literally almost everything here, let me answer the bold part though.
How would an army be overtime output? The point they're making is that Yaga has the potential to be special grade cause he would have a full army of autonomous, self-sustained cursed dolls. It'd be like he's a country of his own with his own army (do you get it now). Just like Geto with his curses could overthrow a whole country via also having his own army of cursed spirits. Yaga's army with their combined output would beat any grade 1 sorcerer in output easily lol. And the mai example that you gave is the same thing that Mechamaru does, even if she somehow did that, it would be a temporary output that would run out after one use in this case. This wouldn't grant her special grade because it would be a one time thing that she can't reguarly do, while Yaga can just keep creating dolls non stop.

See you’re getting there, Yaga would quality as a SG because per Kenjaku’s own words, to be a SG you’d need to be able to overthrow a country. That’s it.
“Yaga's army with their combined output would beat any grade 1 sorcerer in output easily lol.” Why are you bringing this up? This is completely irrelevant to the title and is only being used to try to justify your interpretation.
The output generated by him creating the army isn’t what’s being assessed when giving his title, it isn’t referenced, depicted or implied anywhere. It’s entirely irrelevant to the assessment. His capability of creating that army is what puts him in that discussion.
My Mai example is a perfect deconstruction of your argument my guy.
You’re claiming that the total output of him creating his army is part of the assessment of special grade. If this was true, literally anyone would be special grade because they could indefinitely output energy overtime.
I just used Mai because she’s a bum, but it would apply to literally anyone you can think of.
The amount of output generated due to him creating the army isn’t considered in the assessment, it’s the fact that he can create an army is what’s being considered.
“while Yaga can just keep creating dolls non stop.”
Uhhhh what???? We literally know nothing about how much energy it takes to make a doll, or if he can consistently make them back to back no problem.
This wasn’t even brought up in why he was recommended to be a special grade.
It’s literally the fact that he has the potential to make an army of dolls that puts him in the discussion of special grade.
It’s not the amount of output that total army would have if you add it all together, it’s not how long it’d take. It’s literally the fact that he has the potential to create an army.

Keep in mind that even Gakuganji, a Jujutsu Tech higher up had no idea that Yaga needed 3 cores to create panda and thought he just replicated soul information from physical information.

Your point…?

You do need a level of output to be a special grade, otherwise Kenjaku would NOT say that. Unless you think he's talking about special grade spirits output here, which if you want to, you would need to say that grade 1s scale to two year charge. (Also why did maki catch a stray? )

You dont my guy . Read what Kenjaku is saying.
To be SG you’d need the capability to overtake a country, he says Yuki must have a high output extension of her technique that’d allow her to be a special grade, because the strength of her punches and that simply being all their is to her technique shouldn’t be enough to qualify as a special grade, because he doesn’t believe that’s enough to take over a country.
The reason he says she must have a high output extension of her technique is due to the nature of her cursed technique, it’s applying hella mass to her arm which is allowing her to punch hard, so if she’s special grade she must have some extension that’d allow her to output enough energy overthrow a country.
Get what I’m saying? Due to the nature of her CT, her being special grade means she has a high output ability that could allow her to fight off an entire nation. This does not mean special grade has a set level of output, it means you can become a special grade due to a high output attack.
Geto and Yaga can be considered special grade because they can create a super powered army to take on a nation, thus fitting the requirements.
Yuki can be considered a special grade because she has an attack with enough output to literally destroy a country, or to be more specific, the entire world.
This is what Kenjaku was concerned about, “if all there is to her ability is punching hard, she must have an extra ability that allows her to punch VERY HARD, at least to the degree to overthrow a nation”

I never said they used ultimate uzumaki as his way of being a special grade, I said his curse manipulation is what got him the special grade title since it allows him to overthrow a country with thousands of curses.

So why is there confusion????

Because... they are special grades and that's literally their strongest attack? What is this question lol

They are special grades because of their army my guy, not because of their giant beam attacks.
As per your own comment, they aren’t considered special grade because of the output of those beam attacks, so how can you say those attacks should higher than social grade level? Do you not see the redundancy in that claim??

When did Kenjaku say yuki's base attacks can one shot him what, Kenjaku was only afraid of her extension, which turned out to be the blackhole, that, yea, would one shot Kenjaku, how does this matter?

Her normal output attack literally ripped off two of his arms. If that would have hit his face you tell me what would have happened.

 

[Arkenis]

you're also completely missing how she was assigned special grade with higher ups having 0 knowledge on her cursed technique, meaning her output alone IS enough

Small nitpick, but it isn't explicit they had no knowledge, just that Kenjaku couldn't get it from them.

raw says it too and chatgpt is saying the wording used implies Kenjaku is just talking about him not being able to get the info, not that they didn't have it.

If this becomes important someone could ask a Japanese speaker, but personally it's more likely they didn't wanna give Geto knowledge about a planet destroying ct lol

 

[Rodriiogo]

"This attack" is, once again, a domain tube charged with Kokichi's CT alongside simple domain to explode. The tube already had great potency via being a domain tube amped with Kokichi's CT (which btw were tubes he had in storage inside Mechamaru so it's likely that Kokichi put some Cursed Energy in them before hand since they were already pre-prepared. Like literally THE NEXT PAGE has Mechamaru's body slap mahito with full force and it does 0 DAMAGE to his body so like...???? The simple domain nuked Mahito because it allowed his soul to be damaged yes but Kokichi mixed his CT and high amounts of CE alongside it, this is NOT a random bullet from Mechamaru, stop calling it that lol.

Are you allergic to just looking at the pages or something? The "finger" was ANOTHER DOMAIN TUBE AMPED BY KOKICHI'S CT, NOT MECHAMARU'S FINGER, we literally see it being charged and appearing through his finger, it isn't actually his finger. His normal fingers ain't even spikey man how did you get to this conclusion:

Idk when I said "that’d suggest normal attacks=special grade output even though he only reaches sg output with years worth of energy.", I said that he isn't damaging Mahito with his normal attacks... because he literally does no damage at all lol.


Read the rest of my convo with Eden instead of cutting it midway through.

Rewinding a bit so you get the whole point:

• Kokichi has been powering Mode Absolute Mechamaru with Cursed energy for years
• Mahito's body can take a one year charge head on with just burnt damages
• Now that Mahito realised that Mechamaru's attacks aren't enough to damage/kill him, he gets careless and stops caring about the attacks from Mechamaru (Meaning he's no longer reinforcing himself with CE or even caring about dodging the attacks, his durability is therefore weaker than it could be)
• Kokichi realised that part so he knows it's time to use his domain tubes, the four tubes were already kept there, we even see they are connected by cables already, Kokichi didn't create or power them during this fight, meaning that the domain tubes are also part of the things he has kept there through the years like the year charges for attacks and only planned on using them after the year charges wouldn't work. This would mean the domain tubes are WAY beyond Mechamaru's regular attacks since they are things that Kokichi has been preparing for years and infused them with his own cursed technique, alongside using them with a simple domain, and he straight up says he only has four chances with them due to how he only has four tubes, meaning they are way beyond his own output (otherwise he'd just create new ones throughout the fight lol). It is more than likely than those tubes are on par or beyond the one year charge considering this.

So Mahito taking damage to the tubes doesn't debunk the one year charge scaling at all.

 

[Mommyleona]

Special grade output would mean output high enough to quality for the standards of special grade

This is pure headcanon btw

Her normal output attack literally ripped off two of his arms

"normal output attack" it was charged up star rage attack, not her normal output

Yuki must have a high output extension of her technique that’d allow her to be a special grade

he never said that

Yuki can be considered a special grade because she has an attack with enough output to literally destroy a country, or to be more specific, the entire world

Not a single soul knew she can become a black hole, not to mention that isnt her maximum technique which kenjaku was talking about, she doesnt have a maximum technique

 

[BiggestOpp]

that is not what he said, he said she MIGHT EVEN HAVE an extension technique, as in Maximum technique, you're also completely missing how she was assigned special grade with higher ups having 0 knowledge on her cursed technique, meaning her output alone IS enough

Reading comprehension my guy, higher ups just didn’t give him shit to work with.
Why do you think he even followed up with the extension statement.
“Due to the definition of special grade” he’s literally saying that based on the definition of special grade, she might have a high output trump card.
He’s literally saying that just based off of her base punches she should have a stronger application of her technique due to the fact that she’s considered special grade, if there was a set level of output that could get you to that level, and she met that requirement Kenjaku wouldn’t have made this statement. It would literally be no reason for him to be believing this.
If she should be considered special grade from what she was already doing, why is he making this claim????

 

[BiggestOpp]

"This attack" is, once again, a domain tube charged with Kokichi's CT alongside simple domain to explode. The tube already had great potency via being a domain tube amped with Kokichi's CT (which btw were tubes he had in storage inside Mechamaru so it's likely that Kokichi put some Cursed Energy in them before hand since they were already pre-prepared. Like literally THE NEXT PAGE has Mechamaru's body slap mahito with full force and it does 0 DAMAGE to his body so like...???? The simple domain nuked Mahito because it allowed his soul to be damaged yes but Kokichi mixed his CT and high amounts of CE alongside it, this is NOT a random bullet from Mechamaru, stop calling it that lol.

Are you allergic to just looking at the pages or something? The "finger" was ANOTHER DOMAIN TUBE AMPED BY KOKICHI'S CT, NOT MECHAMARU'S FINGER, we literally see it being charged and appearing through his finger, it isn't actually his finger. His normal fingers ain't even spikey man how did you get to this conclusion:

Idk when I said "that’d suggest normal attacks=special grade output even though he only reaches sg output with years worth of energy.", I said that he isn't damaging Mahito with his normal attacks... because he literally does no damage at all lol.


Read the rest of my convo with Eden instead of cutting it midway through.

My guy. The very first tube he shot at Mahito literally pierced him and stuck inside his body.
Mahito literally says right as it pierced him that it’s not damaging his soul.
MAHITO LITERALLY SAYS THE FIRST TUBE THAY PIERCED HIM DID NOT DAMAGE HIS SOUL.
IF THE TUBE THAT PIERCED HIM DID NOT DAMAGE HIS OUL, BUT HIS SOUL ONLY GOT DAMAGED ONCE IT EXPLODED, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

 

[Mommyleona]

Small nitpick, but it isn't explicit they had no knowledge, just that Kenjaku couldn't get it from them.

Couldnt obtain from them - they didnt know
Why would they not tell Kenjaku if they knew, Yuki is against JJK high and vice versa
the raw translation you're sending also say that “the Headquarters should have information about her cursed technique" “and be in control of it…” and then “…That was how it was supposed to be.” meaning they didnt know

chatgpt is saying the wording used implies Kenjaku is just talking about him not being able to get the info, not that they didn't have it.

I would trust human translation over what chatgpt says

but personally it's more likely they didn't wanna give Geto knowledge about a planet destroying ct lol

Why wouldnt they? And how would they even know if she can destroy a planet, ie have above surface lvl knowledge (mass doesnt affect her usually)

This is way too many mental gymnastics

 

[Keshirou]

Change username to BiggestYap.

 

[Rodriiogo]

My guy. The very first tube he shot at Mahito literally pierced him and stuck inside his body.
Mahito literally says right as it pierced him that it’s not damaging his soul.
MAHITO LITERALLY SAYS THE FIRST TUBE THAY PIERCED HIM DID NOT DAMAGE HIS SOUL.
IF THE TUBE THAT PIERCED HIM DID NOT DAMAGE HIS OUL, BUT HIS SOUL ONLY GOT DAMAGED ONCE IT EXPLODED, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

Maybe the fact that Kokichi needs to actually activate simple domain to negate his idle transfiguration, something he only uses AFTER it pierces Mahito? Yk.. the thing that's said to be the reason why the tube damages his soul? The explosion is the simple domain activating, and as I already explained the tubes themselves arent "regular mechamaru attacks" I dont see ur point.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Rewinding a bit so you get the whole point:

• Kokichi has been powering Mode Absolute Mechamaru with Cursed energy for years
• Mahito's body can take a one year charge head on with just burnt damages
• Now that Mahito realised that Mechamaru's attacks aren't enough to damage/kill him, he gets careless and stops caring about the attacks from Mechamaru (Meaning he's no longer reinforcing himself with CE or even caring about dodging the attacks, his durability is therefore weaker than it could be)
• Kokichi realised that part so he knows it's time to use his domain tubes, the four tubes were already kept there, we even see they are connected by cables already, Kokichi didn't create or power them during this fight, meaning that the domain tubes are also part of the things he has kept there through the years like the year charges for attacks and only planned on using them after the year charges wouldn't work. This would mean the domain tubes are WAY beyond Mechamaru's regular attacks since they are things that Kokichi has been preparing for years and infused them with his own cursed technique, alongside using them with a simple domain, and he straight up says he only has four chances with them due to how he only has four tubes, meaning they are way beyond his own output (otherwise he'd just create new ones throughout the fight lol). It is more than likely than those tubes are on par or beyond the one year charge considering this.

So Mahito taking damage to the tubes doesn't debunk the one year charge scaling at all.

I can’t say if I completely understand what you’re on about but I’d like to mention that if what you’re saying is true, that the tubes are powered by the cursed energy he stored up, and they take up as much if not more energy than his charged attacks, then Gege is bad at math.

He starts with 17yrs and uses 1+2+5 years worth of charged attacks.
17-8=9 years left.
By the time he uses a second simple domain amped thingy, he has 9yrs left.
That means the first one he used didn’t take up any of the energy.

 

[Mommyleona]

Reading comprehension my guy, higher ups just didn’t give him shit to work with.

Yeah, you're the one with a reading comprehension curse, higher ups have 0 reason not to tell him, they do not work with Yuki and Yuki actively despises JJK high, she does no job for them, why would they not sell out info about her if they knew

Why do you think he even followed up with the extension statement.

Because he's considering the possibilities lol, Yuki also considers he might have a 4th technique, which he does not, so what?

“Due to the definition of special grade” he’s literally saying that based on the definition of special grade, she might have a high output trump card.

But she doesnt (and no, black hole is not an extension technique, its just normal star rage), "might even have" is just him being vary, which is completely fair

He’s literally saying that just based off of her base punches she should have a stronger application of her technique due to the fact that she’s considered special grade

He literally did not say that, that's you adding up headcanon

if there was a set level of output that could get you to that level, and she met that requirement Kenjaku wouldn’t have made this statement

based on what? Even Gojo has his own trump cards despite already having enough output to solo the world

If she should be considered special grade from what she was already doing, why is he making this claim????

Because her technique could have an even more dangerous maximum technique, its as simple as that

 

[BiggestOpp]

Maybe the fact that Kokichi needs to actually activate simple domain to negate his idle transfiguration, something he only uses AFTER it pierces Mahito? Yk.. the thing that's said to be the reason why the tube damages his soul? The explosion is the simple domain activating, and as I already explained the tubes themselves arent "regular mechamaru attacks" I dont see ur point.

Nice way to prove you aren’t even looking at my scans.
Everyone can see this. There’s no going back on it.
You admitted in broad daylight that the simple domain activation is what causes his body to burst and explode.
Meaning his soul isn’t being damaged until it bursts right? This is what I’ve been saying.
Since this is the case, how can you say none of his base attacks can harm him when Mechumaru literally does THIS.

And he explodes AFTERWARDS.

 

[Arkenis]

Couldnt obtain from them - they didnt know
Why would they not tell Kenjaku if they knew, Yuki is against JJK high and vice versa
the raw translation you're sending also say that “the Headquarters should have information about her cursed technique" “and be in control of it…” and then “…That was how it was supposed to be.” meaning they didnt know

Geto is also against them so not sure how important her being against them is versus, the guy who led a failed genocide. Yeah that's the english, but chatgpt is saying the kanji for should/expected/bound "はず" isn't there, and that this "握っている" is deliberate phrasing meaning that they do have it.

This is way too many mental gymnastics

How is it mental gymnastics? The raws don't explicitly say they didn't have it, just that he couldn't obtain it and I'm assuming he couldn't because they didn't wanna give him a planet destroying ct.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ain't never seen so much Yuki Downplay in my life

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Mahito's body can take a one year charge head on with just burnt damages

Don't think it's pretty weird that in the manga this can be read as Mahito just dodging it at the last second, and in the anime he takes a solid 10 seconds to walk out of the smoke cloud? Same guy who probably has Low-Godly regen and after supposedly tanking an attack that should be leagues stronger than him even without the Yuki scaling, laughs it off with a "Ha, you can’t hurt my soul, so you can’t hurt me!"

 

[Mommyleona]

Geto is also against them so not sure how important her being against them is versus, the guy who led a failed genocide

Cuz he could kill them at any point? he'd be holding them at gun point, not kindly asking, i imagine they would tell him everything they know, we know they're cowards

Yeah that's the english, but chatgpt is saying the kanji for should/expected/bound "はず" isn't there, and that this "握っている" is deliberate phrasing meaning that they do have it.

K

How is it mental gymnastics? The raws don't explicitly say they didn't have it, just that he couldn't obtain it and I'm assuming he couldn't because they didn't wanna give him a planet destroying ct.

Because how would they know her ct can destroy a planet?

 

[BiggestOpp]

Ain't never seen so much Yuki Downplay in my life

This ain’t Yuki downplay this Mechamaru upscale brotato.

 

[Mommyleona]

Same guy who probably has Low-Godly regen and after tanking an attack that should be leagues stronger than him even without the Yuki scaling, laughs it off with a "Ha, you can’t hurt my soul, so you can’t hurt me!"

mahito can still run out of ce, as that what he thinks Kokichi is trying to do, then Kokichi himself says Mechamaru's attacks are not enough to hurt Mahito. Why would he say that, after he apparently vaporised his ass?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This ain’t Yuki downplay this Mechamaru upscale brotato.

Mechamaru's a Base Yuki victim, this is Yuki downplay.
This Mechamaru upscale is also major Kenjaku downplay since Narrative say either Kenny>Heavy Hitters or Shinjuku Yuta High diffs according Todo (My goat's never wrong)

 

[BiggestOpp]

mahito can still run out of ce, as that what he thinks Kokichi is trying to do, then Kokichi himself says Mechamaru's attacks are not enough to hurt Mahito. Why would he say that, after he apparently vaporised his ass?

So these two are contradicting each other no?
Mahito implies that the attack is at least forcing him to use IT or has the potential to make him use it and Mechu. is saying the attack can’t even hurt him.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Mechamaru's a Base Yuki victim, this is Yuki downplay.
This Mechamaru upscale is also major Kenjaku downplay since Narrative say either Kenny>Heavy Hitters or Shinjuku Yuta High diffs according Todo (My goat's never wrong)

I do think Yuki beats Mechamaru even with upscale, there’s more to fights than just raw power.
Kenjaku could be weaker than Mechamaru on a scale and still fodderize him in a fight.

 

[Rodriiogo]

See you’re getting there, Yaga would quality as a SG because per Kenjaku’s own words, to be a SG you’d need to be able to overthrow a country. That’s it.
“Yaga's army with their combined output would beat any grade 1 sorcerer in output easily lol.” Why are you bringing this up? This is completely irrelevant to the title and is only being used to try to justify your interpretation.
The output generated by him creating the army isn’t what’s being assessed when giving his title, it isn’t referenced, depicted or implied anywhere. It’s entirely irrelevant to the assessment. His capability of creating that army is what puts him in that discussion.
My Mai example is a perfect deconstruction of your argument my guy.
You’re claiming that the total output of him creating his army is part of the assessment of special grade. If this was true, literally anyone would be special grade because they could indefinitely output energy overtime.
I just used Mai because she’s a bum, but it would apply to literally anyone you can think of.
The amount of output generated due to him creating the army isn’t considered in the assessment, it’s the fact that he can create an army is what’s being considered.
“while Yaga can just keep creating dolls non stop.”
Uhhhh what???? We literally know nothing about how much energy it takes to make a doll, or if he can consistently make them back to back no problem.
This wasn’t even brought up in why he was recommended to be a special grade.
It’s literally the fact that he has the potential to make an army of dolls that puts him in the discussion of special grade.
It’s not the amount of output that total army would have if you add it all together, it’s not how long it’d take. It’s literally the fact that he has the potential to create an army.

I would like you to re-read the whole page of the "yaga special grade" thing again really.

The impressive part that would upgrade Yaga to special grade is indeed how he is creating independent self-supporting cursed corpses that opperate better than regular cursed corpses. They were gonna restrain him cause they were afraid he could create a HUGE AMOUNT of those independent self-supporting cursed corpses. Creating cursed corpses like this in the eyes of the higher ups was the same thing as just spawning up high tier sorcerers out of thin air. THAT'S what they were afraid and considering him special grade for. So yes the reason he was gonna be a special grade is because they thought his ability of his allowed to just constantly make an army of high level cursed corpses non-stop. The whole reason they don't actually give him special grade is because it was all an hypothetical if he could do this or not.

He wasn't actually special grade, they simply thought he had the potential to and were gonna give him the grade just so they could restrain him. They literally kill him because he wouldn't tell them how he does it. The yaga special grade comes from a POTENTIAL idea that he could MAYBE do (because if that idea was true he would indeed be special grade via the same way Geto was), and was just an excuse to restrain him so they could get info on how to do it.

They are special grades because of their army my guy, not because of their giant beam attacks.
As per your own comment, they aren’t considered special grade because of the output of those beam attacks, so how can you say those attacks should higher than social grade level? Do you not see the redundancy in that claim??

Me when Yuta Okkotsu is special grade because of his army (what army)

Her normal output attack literally ripped off two of his arms. If that would have hit his face you tell me what would have happened.

"that wold've been dangerous" = that'd have one shotted me ok man

Also did you forget the part that the full mass punch hit him directly in the HEAD

By your logic of "normal output attack ripped off his arms" Kenjaku shouldn't have a head after this

Didn't reply to the rest since it would basically be repeating what mommy is telling you btw

 

[Rodriiogo]

I can’t say if I completely understand what you’re on about but I’d like to mention that if what you’re saying is true, that the tubes are powered by the cursed energy he stored up, and they take up as much if not more energy than his charged attacks, then Gege is bad at math.

He starts with 17yrs and uses 1+2+5 years worth of charged attacks.
17-8=9 years left.
By the time he uses a second simple domain amped thingy, he has 9yrs left.
That means the first one he used didn’t take up any of the energy.

Uhm... except I'm not saying that the tubes USE the year charges? I'm saying the tubes were also charged JUST LIKE the year charges. They are separate charges yet both are still extreme amounts of CE throughout years.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Nice way to prove you aren’t even looking at my scans.
Everyone can see this. There’s no going back on it.
You admitted in broad daylight that the simple domain activation is what causes his body to burst and explode.
Meaning his soul isn’t being damaged until it bursts right? This is what I’ve been saying.
Since this is the case, how can you say none of his base attacks can harm him when Mechumaru literally does THIS.

And he explodes AFTERWARDS.

Uhm... yea? Because I do think the tubes are indeed on mahito's level in AP? Did you forget the thing piercing here IS A TUBE

I think the Tubes > Mahito > One Year Charge
What's the issue? I don't disagree with what you said here lol

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

mahito can still run out of ce, as that what he thinks Kokichi is trying to do, then Kokichi himself says Mechamaru's attacks are not enough to hurt Mahito. Why would he say that, after he apparently vaporised his ass?

And how long would that take? When 17 is the max Mechamaru can even use that???

 

[Mommyleona]

So these two are contradicting each other no?
Mahito implies that the attack is at least forcing him to use IT or has the potential to make him use it and Mechu. is saying the attack can’t even hurt him.

Mahito only comments on Kokichi's intention, not whether or not he's capable of doing so, and well we know he burned him a little, which ig Kokichi considers to be same as nothing, so no there's no contradiction

 

[Arkenis]

Cuz he could kill them at any point? he'd be holding them at gun point, not kindly asking, i imagine they would tell him everything they know, we know they're cowards

I guess so? I just know the wording apparently doesn't mean hq had no info but chatgpt could be wrong.

Because how would they know her ct can destroy a planet?

She would tell them.
sg sorcerer has nothing to do with power but immeasurable power and Kenjaku's statement about overthrowing a nation leads me to believe Yuki likely told them she can probably create a bh through her increase of vm and that's why she was designated as sg. Fits the idea behind impossible to measure and fits her taking over a country either through threats or destruction.

 

[Mommyleona]

And how long would that take? When Mechamaru can only throw 17 max of those???

How does that matter to the discussion at hand, at all?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I do think Yuki beats Mechamaru even with upscale, there’s more to fights than just raw power.
Kenjaku could be weaker than Mechamaru on a scale and still fodderize him in a fight.

I'm not saying that, i'm just it narratively doesn't work that Yuki/Kenny and other heavy hitter tiers are weaker than bro (Especially Yuki, she's oneshotting bro with Star Rage)
Ofc, they speedblitz bro to hell and back (bro's stuck in subsonic hell while they're supersonic+)

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

How does that matter to the discussion at hand, at all?

How does it not? Wow you vaporized me, you just have to do that 543 times again, good luck.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Uhm... yea? Because I do think the tubes are indeed on mahito's level in AP? Did you forget the thing piercing here IS A TUBE

I think the Tubes > Mahito > One Year Charge
What's the issue? I don't disagree with what you said here lol

How did the 17 year old Kokichi empower the tubes in an insignificant amount of time with more power than he can muster for a whole year?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Don't think it's pretty weird that in the manga this can be read as Mahito just dodging it at the last second, and in the anime he takes a solid 10 seconds to walk out of the smoke cloud? Same guy who probably has Low-Godly regen and after supposedly tanking an attack that should be leagues stronger than him even without the Yuki scaling, laughs it off with a "Ha, you can’t hurt my soul, so you can’t hurt me!"

And Mahito's exact wording is if he plans to run his cursed energy by burning him. He wasn't fully vaporized, he got burnt by the attack but his body took most of it.
Also if Mahito got fully vaporized and regenerated his body... why does he still have the burnt on his eye, did he intentionally make his new regenerated body have a burnt? For what reason?

 

[BiggestOpp]

I would like you to re-read the whole page of the "yaga special grade" thing again really.

The impressive part that would upgrade Yaga to special grade is indeed how he is creating independent self-supporting cursed corpses that opperate better than regular cursed corpses. They were gonna restrain him cause they were afraid he could create a HUGE AMOUNT of those independent self-supporting cursed corpses. Creating cursed corpses like this in the eyes of the higher ups was the same thing as just spawning up high tier sorcerers out of thin air. THAT'S what they were afraid and considering him special grade for. So yes the reason he was gonna be a special grade is because they thought his ability of his allowed to just constantly make an army of high level cursed corpses non-stop. The whole reason they don't actually give him special grade is because it was all an hypothetical if he could do this or not.

I want you to read what they actually say.
Normally, those puppets would rely on his own cursed energy to act independently, but panda doesn’t need his cursed energy to do so, it sustain’s itself. That’s the issue, the fact that he can possibly create an army of puppets is why he would be needed to be detained, like you claimed.
These puppets that are self sustained do not use his CE as a source, so it’s not the total output that they’d have that would make him SG, it’s literally the fact that he can make an army of these things.
So, nothing changes.
Only reason they didn’t give him the grade is because he claimed to not know how they were created.
Having the potential to create a self sustaining army is potential to overthrow a nation, which is why he was recommended for the grade.
That’s literally my whole point my guy.

He wasn't actually special grade, they simply thought he had the potential to and were gonna give him the grade just so they could restrain him. They literally kill him because he wouldn't tell them how he does it. The yaga special grade comes from a POTENTIAL idea that he could MAYBE do (because if that idea was true he would indeed be special grade via the same way Geto was), and was just an excuse to restrain him so they could get info on how to do it.

This supports my argument my guy.

Me when Yuta Okkotsu is special grade because of his army (what army)

Did I say having an army is the only way to be special grade? As I’ve been saying for hours now, it’s a spectrum, there are many ways to overthrow a country.
You can have an army (geto), you could have a vast array of abilities and techniques that’ll allow you to do so (Gojo) or you could have an attacks that are powerful enough to throw back a nation (Mechu).
Why is Yuta a special grade?
Is it due to his seemingly bottomless well of CE and Rika? Is it his love beam? His ability to copy and store techniques? We literally don’t know.

"that wold've been dangerous" = that'd have one shotted me ok man

Also did you forget the part that the full mass punch hit him directly in the HEAD

By your logic of "normal output attack ripped off his arms" Kenjaku shouldn't have a head after this

Didn't reply to the rest since it would basically be repeating what mommy is telling you btw

Kenjaku has RCT, if didn’t have the capacity to kill him it wouldn’t be dangerous.
If the attack is strong enough to literally rip his arms off it can cave his head in and kill him, that’s common sense.

 

[Rodriiogo]

How did the 17 year old Kokichi empower the tubes in an insignificant amount of time with more power than he can muster for a whole year?

"in an insignificant amount of time" huh? My point is that he has been powering both the year charges and the tubes for years. Since the tubes were also things he planned as attacks throughout the years that he has been powering up Mechamaru. (I explained in my previous message on why that is the case)

 

[Mommyleona]

I guess so? I just know the wording apparently doesn't mean hq had no info but chatgpt could be wrong.

Ask a translation helper smh, i cant say whether or not chatgpt is wrong or right ion know japanese

She would tell them.

Hell no she wouldnt

sg sorcerer has nothing to do with power but immeasurable power

??? this is contradicting

Kenjaku's statement about overthrowing a nation leads me to believe Yuki likely told them she can probably create a bh through her increase of vm and that's why she was designated as sg

I mean, good headcanon, but i really doubt she would just tell that to higher ups who she doesnt want any affiliation with and does not work for
From what we know, they didnt know, nobody did, and thats what i stand by

Fits the idea behind impossible to measure and fits her taking over a country either through threats or destruction.

except this same scan says that SG is a measure of power too, else why would it say "the only one outside of geto who could stand up to sg is Miguel" as miguel is second strongest to Geto, meaning sg is indeed also a measure of strength, sg sorcerers also by default are above grade ones and equal/above sg curses who are rated on power

 

[Mommyleona]

How does it not? Wow you vaporized me, you just have to do that 543 times again, good luck.

what are you even talking about?

 

[Rodriiogo]

I want you to read what they actually say.
Normally, those puppets would rely on his own cursed energy to act independently, but panda doesn’t need his cursed energy to do so, it sustain’s itself. That’s the issue, the fact that he can possibly create an army of puppets is why he would be needed to be detained, like you claimed.
These puppets that are self sustained do not use his CE as a source, so it’s not the total output that they’d have that would make him SG, it’s literally the fact that he can make an army of these things.
So, nothing changes.
Only reason they didn’t give him the grade is because he claimed to not know how they were created.
Having the potential to create a self sustaining army is potential to overthrow a nation, which is why he was recommended for the grade.
That’s literally my whole point my guy.
This supports my argument my guy.

Put it into perspective. Imagine a random hypothetical special grade sorcerer.
If a Grade 1 panda fought him, it'd be a no contest, the special grade would just immediatly one shot him. That's obvious.

Now imagine if thousands and thousands of pandas started jumping him. Regardless of the superior AP, their combined output would overwhelm this sorcerer. That's what the story is trying to tell you. Just like multiple special grade curses would be able to fight a special grade, multiple grade 1 sorcerers would be able to be considered a special grade level threat, so logically someone who can easily create thousands and thoudsands of this sorcerers easily (in their view) would be special grade.

This even goes to Modulo too where the alien invasion was considered a special grade threat even before they met Dabura.

Did I say having an army is the only way to be special grade? As I’ve been saying for hours now, it’s a spectrum, there are many ways to overthrow a country.
You can have an army (geto), you could have a vast array of abilities and techniques that’ll allow you to do so (Gojo) or you could have an attacks that are powerful enough to throw back a nation (Mechu).
Why is Yuta a special grade?
Is it due to his seemingly bottomless well of CE and Rika? Is it his love beam? His ability to copy and store techniques? We literally don’t know.

But we do (at least in JJK0). After he loses Rika in zero he lost his special grade title and had to regain it on his own afterwards. Rika is the reason Yuta was special grade in 0 and a maximum uzumaki with 6k curses can overpower Yuta + Rika's love blast with a death-binding vow so like it is very clearly AP based here.

Kenjaku has RCT, if didn’t have the capacity to kill him it wouldn’t be dangerous.
If the attack is strong enough to literally rip his arms off it can cave his head in and kill him, that’s common sense.

Then... why didn't it do that when Yuki punches him in his head? It was dangerous because regardless of RCT, if you are taking too much damage constantly and are being combo'd to the living hell, RCT won't save you, we see that even the guy with the (arguably) most busted regen of the series was unable to heal himself while he was getting combo'd by Nanami and Yuji's constant blows. If Yuki's punch was strong enough to constantly knock Kenjaku around (which they were at FP), then if Yuki keeps punching him constantly he'd have no way of using RCT specially with how virtual-mass Garuda was weighing him down to the point his movement was restricted.