Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[BiggestOpp]

Kenjaku says due to the specifications of the Special grade requirements, Yuki must have an ability with higher output than what she’s shown.
Mechumaru upscale

 

[Rodriiogo]

Kenjaku says due to the specifications of the Special grade requirements, Yuki must have an ability with higher output that she’s has shown.
Mechumaru upscale

Shes already hitting him with special grade output even before this, however via jujutsu tech's definiton of "special grade" they have techniques able to OVERTHROW a country. For example, Yuta in 0 had Rika who could destroy whole towns, Gojo has purple who we see can create huge amounts of destruction with stuff like purple and blue can destroy mountains, etc etc. Geto was part of the special grades definition too via his curse manipulation, and even as you pointed out with Yaga who had potential to be a special grade via just being able to create a huge army of cursed dolls.

Up until that point in the fight Yuki had not showed any attack of high destructive capacity that would allow her to overthrow a country as a special grade would so Kenjaku is afraid of whatever that technique might be, and he was very much right considering she uses a literal blackhole right after

 

[BiggestOpp]

yap

Nuh uh, read what he said.

Special grade means you have the capabilities to overthrow a country, this could be via techniques or by sheer power.
It’s a spectrum, as I mentioned the other day.
You can have shitty output but still be considered a special grade due to the nature of your CT (Yaga) because the requirement for the roll is to be capable of overthrowing a country.
Special grade output, as the names suggest, is having enough output to meet the requirements of a special grade.
If someone has special grade output that means their output alone is capable of overthrowing a country.
Kenjaku says due to the requirements of a special grade, Yuki should have a higher output technique. Her output up to that point wasn’t high enough for Kenjaku to believe its special grade level.
It’s just Mechumaru upscale brotato.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Kenjaku says due to the specifications of the Special grade requirements, Yuki must have an ability with higher output than what she’s shown.
Mechumaru upscale

Yuki upscale

 

[Rodriiogo]

Special grade means you have the capabilities to overthrow a country, this could be via techniques or by sheer power.
It’s a spectrum, as I mentioned the other day.
You can have shitty output but still be considered a special grade due to the nature of your CT (Yaga) because the requirement for the roll is to be capable of overthrowing a country.
Special grade output, as the names suggest, is having enough output to meet the requirements of a special grade.
If someone has special grade output that means their output alone is capable of overthrowing a country.

Yaga did not have a "shitty output", he was a grade 1 sorcerer even without any of his dolls. An army of grade 1s (Panda's Gorilla core was already able to fight Semi-Grade 1 Mechamaru, and he still had Triceratops Core, and Panda was planned to be upgraded to grade 1 by the story at one point) would eventually match the output of a singular special grade, we even see how grade 1s like Kukusabe with his simple domain can counter SUKUNA'S DISMANTLES, who were cutting special grade Yuta and Yuji (who's not special grade but is very much compared to special grades by this point), saying a whole army of grade 1 level dolls is "shitty output" is alsoinsane considering Geto's Uzumaki with 6K curses (most of them not even being grade 1 curses) would overpower Yuta and Rika's love beam.

Kenjaku says due to the requirements of a special grade, Yuki should have a higher output technique. Her output up to that point wasn’t high enough for Kenjaku to believe its special grade level.
It’s just Mechumaru upscale brotato.

This happens before that statement:

The same Kenjaku was not afraid of Mechamaru's blasts even while Mechamaru aimed it right at him, and the one year charge only burnt Mahito's skin, and is unable to one shot him.
So you're saying:

Mahito > One Year Charge
Two Year Charge > Yuki's Mass Punch > Kenjaku
200% Mahito would be > Two Year Charge


Do you wanna push 200% Mahito > Kenjaku and Yuki

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Remember how Mechamaru impaled Mahito with just his regular output

 

[Rodriiogo]

Remember how Mechamaru impaled Mahito with just his regular output

Uhm.. no? lol
The only attacks from Mechamaru that actually damage Mahito is his bullets that were injecting simple domain INSIDE of mahito's body therefore neutralizing his CT (Idle Transfiguration) which is what Mahito for his body to be into shape. That's why Mahito's soul gets destroyed

Normal punches from Mechamaru were just throwing him around, not damaging him.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Yap

Shitty as in, he’s not special grade due to his output.
He’s no heavy hitter.
The amount of dolls he can create is irrelevant to his total output my guy, output is the amount of energy being put into something. It can be a cursed technique or just outputting cursed energy straight up (Mechumaru’s beam attacks, Yuta/Rika, Ryo, Kenjaku). The reason he was suggested to have to SG title is because of his potential to create an army of dolls.
Special Grade is the user’s ability to overthrow a country, this can range from being so physically powerful that you can dog walk an entire nation, or having a set of abilities than can take on a nation, even if they aren’t that powerful individually (ex. Yaga).
Someone with decent or mid output can still be Special Grade due to the nature of their abilities.
To have Special Grade output, your output has to be high enough to take on a country.

Yap

Yuki had the capacity to one shot Kenjaku and still lost the fight. There’s more to jujutsu than just raw might.
Mechumaru can only reach special grade output with certain attacks, they’re very telegraphed and they are temporary.
Kenjaku could easily kill him even if he had the capacity to kill him.
Idrc about chain scaling, it’s just something interesting I found and wanted to post about it. What it insinuates is beyond me.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Uhm.. no? lol
The only attacks from Mechamaru that actually damage Mahito is his bullets that were injecting simple domain INSIDE of mahito's body therefore neutralizing his CT (Idle Transfiguration) which is what Mahito for his body to be into shape. That's why Mahito's soul gets destroyed

Normal punches from Mechamaru were just throwing him around, not damaging him.

This is just false.
The bullets he fired at Mahito damaged him more than his cannons did.
It pierced through his body, Mahito comments to himself about how this won’t affect him, then simple domain activates and turns off his technique. Bloke is getting damaged by something weaker than an attack he no sold, apparently.
This happens again during the domain sequence, he’s impaled pretty badly by just a regular ahh attack, no special grade output, then simple domain activates and starts ripping him apart.
Mahito’s durability inconsistent asl tbh

 

[Rodriiogo]

This is just false.
The bullets he fired at Mahito damaged him more than his cannons did.
It pierced through his body, Mahito comments to himself about how this won’t affect him, then simple domain activates and turns off his technique. Bloke is getting damaged by something weaker than an attack he no sold, apparently.
This happens again during the domain sequence, he’s impaled pretty badly by just a regular ahh attack, no special grade output, then simple domain activates and starts ripping him apart.
Mahito’s durability inconsistent asl tbh

Mahito wasn't bothering with reinforcing his body or even dodging the attacks other than the charges because they wouldn't harm him.
The bullet/tubes harm him, because they are tubes infused with Kokichi's own CT that allows him to boost their raw ap but also explode mahito's soul with it.

Dawg, Kokichi even calls them "tubes of domain"

Please tell me with a straight face that's a regular attack from Mechamaru when it's something from Kokichi's CT + simple domain. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN COME FROM MECHAMARU.

Mahito's durability isn't inconsistent, he's just the biggest holdsbackman of the series (literally could have blitzed Nanami and killed him in 3 touches during their alone fight yet chooses to just not to, lets himself get crushed by regular ruble and doesn't reinforce his body with CE cause he wanted to test his regen limits lol) alongside the fact that if you have a counter to his CT (like Kokichi had) you just fully counter his durability regardless.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Mechumaru’s basic movements and attacks are considered to be accounted for in his run time on this wiki (bs imo) and could impale a domain amped Mahito who has the durability to tank special grade output in base
🫩

 

[Rodriiogo]

Mechumaru’s basic movements and attacks are considered to be accounted for in his run time on this wiki (bs imo) and could impale a domain amped Mahito who has the durability to tank special grade output in base
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You do know the thing impaling Mahito here is a tube of domain with Kokichi's CT, not Mechamaru's hand... right?

 

[BiggestOpp]

Mahito wasn't bothering with reinforcing his body or even dodging the attacks other than the charges because they wouldn't harm him.
The bullet/tubes harm him, because they are tubes infused with Kokichi's own CT that allows him to boost their raw ap but also explode mahito's soul with it.

Dawg, Kokichi even calls them "tubes of domain"

Please tell me with a straight face that's a regular attack from Mechamaru when it's something from Kokichi's CT + simple domain. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN COME FROM MECHAMARU.

Stop trolling, they only harm him once the simple domain activates, they only activate once it begins to explode.
This is what it looks like once the simple domain activates

 

[Rodriiogo]

Shitty as in, he’s not special grade due to his output.
He’s no heavy hitter.
The amount of dolls he can create is irrelevant to his total output my guy, output is the amount of energy being put into something. It can be a cursed technique or just outputting cursed energy straight up (Mechumaru’s beam attacks, Yuta/Rika, Ryo, Kenjaku). The reason he was suggested to have to SG title is because of his potential to create an army of dolls.
Special Grade is the user’s ability to overthrow a country, this can range from being so physically powerful that you can dog walk an entire nation, or having a set of abilities than can take on a nation, even if they aren’t that powerful individually (ex. Yaga).
Someone with decent or mid output can still be Special Grade due to the nature of their abilities.
To have Special Grade output, your output has to be high enough to take on a country.

By himself he isn't no. But he can create thousands of grade 1 dolls, that would equivalate to a special grade in output.
You are ignoring the fact that Geto got the special grade via curse manipulation of curses that aren't even special grade either. You just said it again that his potential to be SG is from the army of dolls too. Because yea, goddamn man I already repeated it 5 times, THOUSANDS OF GRADE 1s would indeed be special grade. Geto's Uzumaki was just a bunch of grade 1 and lower curses alongside one special grade curse. Yet it's output, if it had 6K curses overpowers Rika's love beam with a death binding vow. Which is way beyond baseline special grade sorcerers. So yes, if Yaga created an army of grade 1 dolls, he'd have special grade output.

Yuki had the capacity to one shot Kenjaku and still lost the fight.
There’s more to jujutsu than just raw might.
Mechumaru can only reach special grade output with certain attacks, they’re very telegraphed and they are temporary.
Kenjaku could easily kill him even if he had the capacity to kill him.
Idrc about chain scaling, it’s just something interesting I found and wanted to post about it. What it insinuates is beyond me.

I'm crine what is this kenjaku downplay

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Uhm.. no? lol
The only attacks from Mechamaru that actually damage Mahito is his bullets that were injecting simple domain INSIDE of mahito's body therefore neutralizing his CT (Idle Transfiguration) which is what Mahito for his body to be into shape. That's why Mahito's soul gets destroyed

Normal punches from Mechamaru were just throwing him around, not damaging him.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Stop trolling, they only harm him once the simple domain activates, they only activate once it begins to explode.
This is what it looks like once the simple domain activates

"Mechamaru's normal attacks can harm Mahito look!"
Shows me two images of domain tubes infused with Kokichi's CT and simple domain harming Mahito

 

[Rodriiogo]

This did not happen in the Manga, just the anime making up stuff here which contradicts the manga (cause how tf did the normal punch even make Mahito bleed if it can't harm his soul LOL), I assume they were making this scene, which as you can see Mahito never actually gets harmed/bleeds

The anime not only made a new line of scaling, which contradicts it's own (since the anime also showed Mahito tanking one year charge) but also straight up ignored Mahito's whole schmick since they just made him get damage by an attack that doesn't harm his soul somehow

 

[ElJoaki5]

Unc might lowk believe he is right
Might not just be bait

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This did not happen in the Manga, just the anime making up stuff here which contradicts the manga, I assume they were making this scene, which as you can see Mahito never actually gets harmed/bleeds

Ain't we using the anime now? Like I remember the Sukuna cloud split was a big thing not even a week ago.
And like,

cause how tf did the normal punch even make Mahito bleed if it can't harm his soul LOL

It's regen, he ain't just invulnerable to all damage.
Also neither does the 1 Year Charge? Mahito literally laughs at it cause it can't hurt his soul?

 

[ElJoaki5]

Ain't we using the anime now? Like I remember the Sukuna cloud split was a big thing not even a week ago.
And like,

Secondary canon

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Secondary canon

Good thing the main canon also has the Tier 8 mecha blow a hole in the apparently High 7-C character

 

[Rodriiogo]

Ain't we using the anime now? Like I remember the Sukuna cloud split was a big thing not even a week ago.
And like,

We don't use it if it contradicts what the manga shows (which in this case it does), additional scenes like the cloud split are fine

It's regen, he ain't just invulnerable to all damage.
Also neither does the 1 Year Charge? Mahito laughs at it cause it can't hurt his soul?

Yea but he shouldn't bleed at all from the normal attacks, the way he notices that Yuji actually harmed his soul is because he starts bleeding.

 

[Electronic74947]

Unc might lowk believe he is right
Might not just be bait

Unc might need to remove the hazbin pfp to help him get better takes

 

[ElJoaki5]

Unc might need to remove the hazbin pfp to help him get better takes

Nah dog Im talking bout the new user yapper

 

[Rodriiogo]

Good thing the main canon also has the Tier 8 mecha blow a hole in the apparently High 7-C character

Good thing it doesn't becuase the thing that blew a hole through Mahito was a Kokichi domain tube that was infused with his CT and not Mechamaru

And THE FUNNIEST PART: It also uses the year charges

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yea but he shouldn't bleed at all from the normal attacks, the way he notices that Yuji actually harmed his soul is because he starts bleeding.

The burn marks??? From the explicitly non soul attack???
This approach legit kills the 1 Year Charge scaling by itself cause apparently Mahito's body can't be harmed at all by non-soul attacks, so there's no scaling to the 1 Year Charge?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Unc might need to remove the hazbin pfp to help him get better takes

What did I do gng

 

[Rodriiogo]

The burn marks??? From the explicitly non soul attack???
This approach legit kills the 1 Year Charge scaling by itself cause apparently Mahito's body can't be harmed at all by non-soul attacks, so there's no scaling to the 1 Year Charge?

Burn marks are possible since harming Mahito's body is possible even without soul damage but the way Gege potrays the difference between simply harming his body, and harming his soul is via bleeding, that's what I was pointing out

Mechamaru's one year charge barely harms his body, and his normal body does 0 damage to Mahito's body in the main canon.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Good thing it doesn't becuase the thing that blew a hole through Mahito was a Kokichi domain tube that was infused with his CT and not Mechamaru

And THE FUNNIEST PART: It also uses the year charges

It doesn't? That's a technique charge, like you know, the Simple Domain. He outright says he still has 9 years of Cursed Energy before blasting Kenjaku.

Like straight up the drill should've shattered the moment it hit Mahito if he really was a million time stronger lol

Burn marks are possible since harming Mahito's body is possible even without soul damage but the way Gege potrays the difference between simply harming his body, and harming his soul is via bleeding, that's what I was pointing out

Mechamaru's one year charge barely harms his body, and his normal body does 0 damage to Mahito's body in the main canon.

Or maybe it's just that Mahito reacted to the bleeding cause he still bleed after "healing" his soul or whatever

 

[Rodriiogo]

(This is irrelevant to the argument)
But I wanna point out since someone said it a while ago, the value for High 7-C's one year charge isn't actually 3.156e+7x (seconds in a year) stronger than where we scale mechamaru's body, as that would be calc stacking if we use his actual body's AP (It would be 300+ gigatons if we did lol) It's very likely that Mechamaru's body would scale to whatever happens with Inumaki's earthquake feat (currently like High 7-C in some calcs I saw and even my try on it)

 

[Rodriiogo]

It doesn't? That's a technique charge, like you know, the Simple Domain. He outright says he still has 9 years of Cursed Energy before blasting Kenjaku wat

Like straight up the drill should've shattered the moment it hit Mahito if he really was a million time stronger lol

I meant it uses the same method of the year charges, as in, its way beyond Mechamaru's base attack, mb wording was awful on my end

And the drill has no scaling really since it's from Kokichi's technique which is beyond Mechamaru's body attacks. Ultimate Mechamaru's body (Which is way below Mode Absolute) was already semi-grade 1 which is above grade 1 cursed spirits and already close to a regular special grade spirit (not mahito's level since he ain't a regular one, but u get the point), yet it was still getting one shotted by Mahito and found "Boring" meanwhile mode absolute's power actually interested him

Or maybe it's just that Mahito reacted to the bleeding cause he still bleed after "healing" his soul or whatever

Idk but as I said, you can go by that regardless, doesn't happen in the main canon

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yeah, I don't like Mahito scaling to the 1 year charge, especially since he can be pierced with Mechamaru's regular finger
I'm sure it'll be rejected

 

[Rodriiogo]

yeah, I don't like Mahito scaling to the 1 year charge, especially since he can be pierced with Mechamaru's regular finger
I'm sure it'll be rejected

Except he never got pierced by mechamaru's regular finger but a jujutsu technique charged domain tube from Kokichi
I already said this

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Except he never got pierced by mechamaru's regular finger but a jujutsu technique charged domain tube from Kokichi
I already said this

Heard the reasoning, don't agree.
Simple as that

 

[Rodriiogo]

Heard the reasoning, don't agree.
Simple as that

I don't mind if you don't agree with the scaling, but what you said just didn't happen gng, you might disagree with Kokichi's domain tube scaling above mechamaru's body, that's...weird but fine, but that was indeed what pierced Mahito

 

[BiggestOpp]

By himself he isn't no. But he can create thousands of grade 1 dolls, that would equivalate to a special grade in output.

Special grade output would mean output high enough to quality for the standards of special grade.
Special grade isn’t a base measurement of power, it’s a measurement of capability. The capability to overthrow a country.
Yaga qualifying for a special grade not because of his output or the total amount of output he would generate creating the army of dolls but due to the fact that he can create an army of dolls that can overthrow a country dismantles your interpretation.
The title is given out based on your capability to overthrow a nation.
The only way your interpretation would hold up is if output generated overtime would= enough to overthrow a nation.
This is stupid because literally anyone could do that.
Mai should be a special grade because over the course of days or months, shit probably years she could probably output enough CE that should, in theory, be enough overthrow a nation.
That’s what your interpretation is suggesting, it doesn’t work because that isn’t what it means to be Special Grade. To be SG you’d have to be capable of overthrowing a country, Yaga isn’t SG because the total output he’d be using to make those dolls is super high, it’s because his ability to make those dolls gives him the potential to take on a nation.
You’re literally making qualifications up out of thin air.
If someone has special grade output it means their output at that time is enough to take on a nation, straight up. This is based on definitions provided in the series.

Which is way beyond baseline special grade sorcerers. So yes, if Yaga created an army of grade 1 dolls, he'd have special grade output.

Everything else you said is pointless, it doesn’t help your case in any capacity. That interpretation fringes on the idea that Special Grade=a set amount of output.
This isn’t implied, suggested or depicted anywhere. It doesn’t help that you’re asserting that you can reach that set amount overtime and classify as SG. That’s like, Maki levels of stupid.

Ultimate Uzumaki is considered the highest level of sorcery along with domain expansions, why would this be accounted for in Geto’s assessment into special grade? Did they even know he had the capability to do this?
Even if they did, how do you know this attack or love beam has enough output to be considered capable of taking on a country?

I'm crine what is this kenjaku downplay

Kenjaku literally says it himself my guy, Yuki can literally one shot him What was the point in this comment

 

[BiggestOpp]

Except he never got pierced by mechamaru's regular finger but a jujutsu technique charged domain tube from Kokichi
I already said this

You’re coping so hard my guy,

This attack here literally pierced through his shoulder/wing and he says it’s meaningless because it’s not harming his soul, it’s capable of damaging him though but it’s not affecting his soul.
Mahito doesn’t mention it harming his soul until it explodes on him, only then does the simple domain actually take effect.

This is shown again once he’s pierced by the finger, simple domain activates, along with it a burst of CE that causes him to blow up presumably.


But that’s not even the worse part.
First you say Mechumaru isn’t damaging Mahito with his normal attacks because that’d suggest normal attacks=special grade output even though he only reaches sg output with years worth of energy.

Then you go on to say unless he bleeds he isn’t really taking damage and being burnt doesn’t really mean anything, for whatever reason. So like, which one is it???

 

[Mommyleona]

Kenjaku says due to the specifications of the Special grade requirements, Yuki must have an ability with higher output than what she’s shown.
Mechumaru upscale

dawg did you even read what he said

 

[Arkenis]

LMAOOOOOO

 

[Rodriiogo]

Special grade output would mean output high enough to quality for the standards of special grade.
Special grade isn’t a base measurement of power, it’s a measurement of capability. The capability to overthrow a country.
Yaga qualifying for a special grade not because of his output or the total amount of output he would generate creating the army of dolls but due to the fact that he can create an army of dolls that can overthrow a country dismantles your interpretation.
The title is given out based on your capability to overthrow a nation.
The only way your interpretation would hold up is if output generated overtime would= enough to overthrow a nation.
This is stupid because literally anyone could do that.
Mai should be a special grade because over the course of days or months, shit probably years she could probably output enough CE that should, in theory, be enough overthrow a nation.
That’s what your interpretation is suggesting, it doesn’t work because that isn’t what it means to be Special Grade. To be SG you’d have to be capable of overthrowing a country, Yaga isn’t SG because the total output he’d be using to make those dolls is super high, it’s because his ability to make those dolls gives him the potential to take on a nation.
You’re literally making qualifications up out of thin air.
If someone has special grade output it means their output at that time is enough to take on a nation, straight up. This is based on definitions provided in the series.

I already explained literally almost everything here, let me answer the bold part though.
How would an army be overtime output? The point they're making is that Yaga has the potential to be special grade cause he would have a full army of autonomous, self-sustained cursed dolls. It'd be like he's a country of his own with his own army (do you get it now). Just like Geto with his curses could overthrow a whole country via also having his own army of cursed spirits. Yaga's army with their combined output would beat any grade 1 sorcerer in output easily lol. And the mai example that you gave is the same thing that Mechamaru does, even if she somehow did that, it would be a temporary output that would run out after one use in this case. This wouldn't grant her special grade because it would be a one time thing that she can't reguarly do, while Yaga can just keep creating dolls non stop.

Keep in mind that even Gakuganji, a Jujutsu Tech higher up had no idea that Yaga needed 3 cores to create panda and thought he just replicated soul information from physical information.

Everything else you said is pointless, it doesn’t help your case in any capacity. That interpretation fringes on the idea that Special Grade=a set amount of output.
This isn’t implied, suggested or depicted anywhere. It doesn’t help that you’re asserting that you can reach that set amount overtime and classify as SG. That’s like, Maki levels of stupid.

You do need a level of output to be a special grade, otherwise Kenjaku would NOT say that. Unless you think he's talking about special grade spirits output here, which if you want to, you would need to say that grade 1s scale to two year charge. (Also why did maki catch a stray? )

Ultimate Uzumaki is considered the highest level of sorcery along with domain expansions, why would this be accounted for in Geto’s assessment into special grade? Did they even know he had the capability to do this?

I never said they used ultimate uzumaki as his way of being a special grade, I said his curse manipulation is what got him the special grade title since it allows him to overthrow a country with thousands of curses.

Even if they did, how do you know this attack or love beam has enough output to be considered capable of taking on a country?

Because... they are special grades and that's literally their strongest attack? What is this question lol

Kenjaku literally says it himself my guy, Yuki can literally one shot him What was the point in this comment

When did Kenjaku say yuki's base attacks can one shot him what, Kenjaku was only afraid of her extension, which turned out to be the blackhole, that, yea, would one shot Kenjaku, how does this matter?