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Destroying the surface of the world counts as destroying the world, so its a fair assumption
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Final Fantasy Discussion Thread
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[Classic FF] General Revisions
Removing Durability, Forcefield and Intangibility Shenanigans from Classic Profiles So this is what I'm referring to: Limited Durability Negation, Forcefield Negation, and Intangibility (Magic negates conventional physical durability, barriers, and armor, requiring specific defense against...
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i think we can find the amount of energy the moon in FFIV needs to stay in orbit around the earth since the crystals keep it in equilibrium. The moon in FFIV is noted to have a starry background.
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Considering the planet in FF4 is smaller than real world countries (look at the size of nations here), probably not that much
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I would like to know how that can be the case?
even if it was having an actual value would be better anyway than whatever is on the profiles currently
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Compare the size of the nations listed in that databook to the world map in ff4
The profiles have the crystals at tier 2 however
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This cannot be
. Even at it's most generous it would be way smallerSorry I was wrong. I did some research and I have to find the gravitational force exerted on the moon by the crystals
it would be a lifting strength feat instead of an AP
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The planet I'd be hesitant to call it small when the Summon world exists down below the planet and has its own flow of time, I am curious how high that would be compared to Bahamut in 4 moving all the planets in alignment during its summon animation.
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Yeah overall in FF5 scaling, they're above those two, which is fitting given their superboss status in game too. In FF4 After Years you do fight the FF5 variants of Omega and Shinryu, but the post battle comment on the latter heavily implies he was holding back and merely testing the FF4 cast's powers rather than going all out, so overall pretty consistent with Shinryu being up there in terms of the more powerful entities.
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so would the overall 2-A scaling for FFV be
Shinryu ~ Omega ~ Warriors of Light >>> Twelve Weapons ~ Enuo > Exdeath
could it be possible to use omega as a justification for likely 2-A FF4?
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is zeromus above the crystals in terms of raw power? since he could face tank a crystal to the face when Golbez used and it only did damage when a prayer amped Cecil used his inner light on it
if so he can scale to this calc i did
i would also like to ask if cecil got weaker post game as he got no diffed by bahamut in the after years
if so he can scale to this calc i did
i would also like to ask if cecil got weaker post game as he got no diffed by bahamut in the after years
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Yeah that's the general scaling, as for the 4 cast scaling I'm not seeing it happen given Shinryu not even trying against them throws a monkey wrench into the cast getting that high. It's why I'm more confident in 2-C scaling for the cast since they've defeated the FF3 Dark world fiends and base Gilgamesh and nothing really suggests those guys were holding back. Even so we still have dissidia for most of the FF4 members so they have 2-A in another form.
Zeromus is a bit of an oddball to scale given the crystals did subdue him, but he's gotten high mostly since he was able to push back Golbez in the after years, who did keep up with the Maenads and the other superbosses. If you're talking about a mind controlled Cecil, I'm pretty sure he was just hampered at the time given he does come back to fight more of the FF3 bosses and gilgamesh with the rest of the crew.
Zeromus is a bit of an oddball to scale given the crystals did subdue him, but he's gotten high mostly since he was able to push back Golbez in the after years, who did keep up with the Maenads and the other superbosses. If you're talking about a mind controlled Cecil, I'm pretty sure he was just hampered at the time given he does come back to fight more of the FF3 bosses and gilgamesh with the rest of the crew.
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Where is it said that Shinryu wasn't trying?
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Literally after the boss fight the cast like Theodore was talking about how he's more so testing them rather than actually going all out.
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hello yall i have a few questions for a CRT regarding the AP ratings of IV and V.
The main gripe I have with the IV cast's scaling is this:
Next is the stuff concerning Gilgamesh scaling in V. I know I myself used Gil but wouldn't it be a bit of an assumption to cross scale games he hasn't been in yet?
For the speed scaling for merged world, I used Bahamut's feat from VII . would it be better to use Shinryu as a base for scaling in the merged world? though it still uses Gilgamesh.
The main gripe I have with the IV cast's scaling is this:
Why do we assume it is a pocket dimension Bahamut created? It looks as though he teleported. is there supplementary evidence to prove it as such? The lunar Bahamut one may convince me but why is it assumed he created a starry night when such isn't shown.
Next is the stuff concerning Gilgamesh scaling in V. I know I myself used Gil but wouldn't it be a bit of an assumption to cross scale games he hasn't been in yet?
For the speed scaling for merged world, I used Bahamut's feat from VII
. would it be better to use Shinryu as a base for scaling in the merged world? though it still uses Gilgamesh.
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Bahamut’s summoning literally warps the entire area around him to become a starry sky in both the 2-D and 3-D version of 4 when he attacks and we see planets move all over the place when Bahamut attacks, why are we assuming Bahamut has no influence in his own realm? As for Lunar Bahamut, why else did the dimension vanish when Cain defeats Lunar Bahamut? The fact the realm disappears on its death implies it has control over the realm and it’s created by it.
What are you talking about with Gil scaling? Which games exactly?
What are you talking about with Gil scaling? Which games exactly?
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There's no evidence he warps the area around him to become a starry sky. It would be better to assume he teleports them there. Moving planets has nothing to do with proving he created the realm. The scan also doesn't prove the dimension disappears when Lunar Bahamut is defeated
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Where's the evidence he teleported them when this is literally the same as how FF7 summons operate? Also why would the planets moving not be tied to Bahamut when he's charging up his attack? The dimension literally closes off when Lunar Bahamut is defeated by Kain so yes, the fact he gets sent out of the dimension upon his defeat and can't go back would imply otherwise.
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Prove its the exact same
Show me where I said it wasn't tied to Bahamut
Scan for him not being able to go back?
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The fact the world literally warps into a different area when Bahamut is summoned. You literally said it has nothing to do with Bahamut, so if you agree it has something to do with Bahamut, how is it not his realm? You want to explain that or are you just gonna cherry pick? The fact Kain cannot enter the door anymore because it’s sealed off. I’ve played FF4 and you cannot go back to fight Lunar Bahamut because the realm is closed off.
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FF5, the merged world and galuf's world keys. I wish to know why Gilgamesh scaling is allowed when he has not travelled the multiverse at that point?
wouldnt it be better to use Shinryu since it gaps Gil?
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Gilgamesh's scaling literally stems from 5 though, the game he originates from. His base form can fight Bartz and co. who can shatter the crystals who separated the two dimensions apart and his six armed state can keep up with their endgame status, who can kill Neo Exdeath.
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I think u misunderstand. I am not against Gil scaling for other games, I'm against using Gil for reasoning in 5 for feats he didn't perform at that point in time. For example, the Warriors of Light according to their profiles scale to typhoon flipping the world feat through Gil
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Can you specify which Warriors of Light pages are you referring to? I'm not understanding your question.
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This is on Bartz's profile. wouldnt this be wrong due to gil not meeting Terra at this point of time
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Oh that, I think that was from Zephyros’ updates to the FF5 pages. I’m not opposed to it being changed.
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Final Fantasy II calculation problems
So there are a few problems with some of the calculations that are currently being used for Final Fantasy II.
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Chaos exists in higher dimensions, which means there are 5 dimensions, right?
Even though the characters are involved in chaos, it doesn't mean there will be Unseen Chaos Physiology. Right?
Even though the characters are involved in chaos, it doesn't mean there will be Unseen Chaos Physiology. Right?
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needs more context but i wouldnt be surprised if it could qualify
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Line to Surface (1D → 2D): A line (or curve) represents a path or boundary on a flat 2D plane. It is the boundary or intersection between two regions.
Plane to Object (2D →3D): A plane is a 2D slice, boundary, or "surface" of a 3D object. Multiple planes define a 3D solid.
Object to Time (3D → 4D): An object moving through time generates a "world line" or "[world tube]" in spacetime, where time acts as the dimension that stretches the 3D shape into a 4D history.
Beings that transcend time are beings of a higher dimension; that is, entities that have surpassed the four dimensions of time.
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Final Fantasy loves the word "Chaos" and is used for different things in the series, it's not always Unseen Chaos. For example, Chaos can refer to an entity, a transformation for a character, abilities, etc. Also for the Higher Dimensional stuff regarding what you mentioned, all I can say is just wait, there's more information that needs to be added to make things easier to understand.
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How has that gone so far? Any updates?
Also, I went through the Ivalice Chronicles aaaand... yeh, now I can see why I only understood like a third of the story when I played FFT when I was a kid, it's impressive the sheer amount of stuff that's happening at once.
I am double checking, but at a first glance not much in terms of upgrades. There are many additions that better contextualize and explain the Lucavi and their plans, but it's mostly from a narrative perspective. I am currently writting down some notes of what I could find, I'll share them soon.
EDIT: And... trying to get this one last calc for FFVIII to make the final CRT and properly wrap up the game. I owe that since long ago.
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for classic its 2 universes
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Classic = 1~6? 1~4?
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1 to 6 yeah
TBH anybody who scales to base Gilgamesh scales to 2 Universe unless they have their own feats
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welp, anyone who's not scaling to Gilgamesh that i looked at was only "scales to x because y", which doesn't help much
thanks for the time, mate!
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