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Same happened to me, pal
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Rodriiogo
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It'd look like everyone is megumi
"Since they use cursed energy they could theorically use a black flash" everyone feeling like potential-man, could but never does
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Why should Yuta have higher output than Mechu?
Rodriiogo
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Mechamaru's two year charge was said by Kenjaku to be on par with a special grade's so it's used as the baseline for special grades AP (which Yuta obviously isn't, as in he would be above baseline)
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Cause 2 year output is only around normal special grade output, which would at least scale to base Yuta, then he gets domain buff
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Don't compare those... lolIt'd look like everyone is megumi
"Since they use cursed energy they could theorically use a black flash" everyone feeling like potential-man, could but never does
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Special grade is a spectrum. Is there any additional evidence to suggest this would be below or on par with Yuta?
Mechamaru's two year charge was said by Kenjaku to be on par with a special grade's so it's used as the baseline for special grades AP (which Yuta obviously isn't, as in he would be above baseline)
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The safest assumption is that it's on par with the weakest Special Grade, or the average special Grade. Yuta's an exceptional Special Grade Sorcerer.
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That’s an assumption that you chose to make since it helps boost some characters in power. Special grade is a spectrum like I said, there’s no reason to assume this should be the weakest a SG can output for all we know his output could be second to Gojo.
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JJK 0 Yuta is already AT the mechamaru calc on his profile, not higher
He gets higher in his other keys because he's stronger after training for a Year(ish)
He gets higher in his other keys because he's stronger after training for a Year(ish)
Rodriiogo
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I mean the fact that Base Mahito scales to 1/2 of it (one year charge) and ISBODK Mahito would already be equal to that AP in scale kinda hints that this "special grade output" isn't about a high level special grade. Same Mahito scales below Geto via Gege statements (and pure logic) and yuta beats this same geto so like...?
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Base mahito does not scale to 1yr charge what?
Where does this come from?
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My character? Who's my character?
Actually there is reason to assume it's an average Special Grade. It's called Occams razor. The assumption with the fewest leaps in logic is at best the average Special Grade via Kenjaku's language.
Rodriiogo
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He straight up tanks being blasted by it wdym
The anime also makes this even more obvious
Mahito even notes he got burnt by the attack
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I mean, he always could have just been blown to bits and regened, but there probably wasn't enough time for him to do that (with the anime timeframe)
Rodriiogo
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There's also the fact that he runs out of it, which unless u think after he regened he walked on air, or he somehow regen'd in 0.001 seconds, then his body was never fully destroyed. And we also see that the burnt marks/damage that Mechamaru caused are still on his body, which he would have no reason to leave on if he regenerated it from zero. The blast simply burnt his body a bit really
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Then why would Mahito ask if Kokichi was just gonna burn him…
Its incredibly clear
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I mean Yuta
There’s absolutely nothing to suggest this could be average special grade, nothing in the tone. Nothing.
“mechumaru, burn them up” he’s hitting him with a glorified flame thrower, even Mahito says such. It’s not a raw CE blast like Yuta or Ryu, it’s a flamethrower. Mahito is just enduring high temp.
Rodriiogo
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Did you reply to the wrong person or sum?I-
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Argument from incredulity isn't evidence to support your claim.
And yes, there is something suggesting it; Language. Kenjaku made a general statement, which default to bare minimum the least of said class, and at best the average.
If someone says "He's already on the level of an athlete!" the burden of proof is on you to prove that means the coach is referring to the number 1 athlete or any other arbitrary extremely high pedestal. Deflecting burden isn't proving your claim. Prove the general statement is in reference to the strongest of Special Grades. You can't, because it's obvious if Kenjaku meant the most exceptional Special Grades, that would've been implied or explicitly affirmed.
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They're saying its a CE blast (which it is)
Rodriiogo
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I'm saying he literally says hes putting a one year charge into the blast which means it is indeed a CE blast since the years are literally just a reserve of CE
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Bros acting like Chariot hasn’t won every single argument he’s been apart of on site in the past 5 years lol. He knows his shit when it comes to physics and calcs, that’s why the mods have to cry out for help whenever there’s something slightly more complicated than an equation you could find with a google search.
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Mechamaru's attack isn't a flamethrower. And saying "burn him up" isn't evidence of that. An attack of sufficiently high energy would be more than enough to burn or vaporize.
Plus, anime makes it quite clear it's an energy attacks.
Plus, anime makes it quite clear it's an energy attacks.
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Ngl as much as I love glazing jjk, I really don't think we should be scaling Mahito to 1/2 of Special grade output, even if he did tank it
iirc pretty much all characters who aren't explicitly called special grade up until post-Shibuya are implied or stated to be way below special grade
Cause this whole debate would imply Nanami, Mei Mei, Shibuya Yuji and several others are half as strong or over half as strong as a special grade sorcerer, which it's heavily implied/stated they are NOT several times if I'm not mistaken
But like, if y'all wanna make Mahito and everyone else that strong, I'm not gonna object or complain, I just won't agree
I would like them to be that strong but not like this, but whatever
iirc pretty much all characters who aren't explicitly called special grade up until post-Shibuya are implied or stated to be way below special grade
Cause this whole debate would imply Nanami, Mei Mei, Shibuya Yuji and several others are half as strong or over half as strong as a special grade sorcerer, which it's heavily implied/stated they are NOT several times if I'm not mistaken
But like, if y'all wanna make Mahito and everyone else that strong, I'm not gonna object or complain, I just won't agree
I would like them to be that strong but not like this, but whatever
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Unf thats just how Feats go.
EldemadeDityjon
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Geto is the average?
Rodriiogo
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As some people pointed out, the disaster curses even before any buffs are actually hyped to be way beyond "grade 1" level despite not being special grade level
Dagon who's arguably the weakest disaster curse was said by Naobito to be unable to exoricised by even two grade 1 sorcerers, you can argue Naobito is the strongest grade 1 sorcerer (or kukusabe but ive seen args for naobito eitherway hes top 1 or 2 lol) and he was still below Dagon in everything other than speed and a single punch from dagon in his domain broke his nose.
So disaster curses despite being indeed "special grade spirits" just like special grade sorcerers you can't measure them all not even near the same level. Gege himself makes this clear with finger bearer also being a special grade spirit who needed grade 1 sorcerers yet he's EXTREMELY weak compared to a 3F Sukuna, meanwhile Jogo was 5F Sukuna level.
Considering even finger bearer is above all semi-grade 1s and requires a grade 1 to be exorcised, it's not at all crazy to say that the disaster curses are near special grade sorcerer level despite still being weaker
Yuji post-shibuya (who was stronger yes but regardless) also keeps up rather well with a casual Yuta who is a special grade so that supports it too.
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Tbf, I said weakest or average. I think weakest makes more sense if we're using Occam's razor. If someone said they're on the level of an athlete, the safest (and thus most logical conclusion) is the worst athlete in that field.
Weakest or average, I'll let ya'll decide. But the argument being it's one of the strongest Sorcerers is completely unfounded based on Kenny's choice of dialogue.
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I’ll concede to Mechu’s canon being pure CE, think I was too into the statement of it burning Mahito up.
absolutely nothing depicts his tone being causal.
Occam’s razor doesn’t help what you’re claiming, it’d be different if he said “His output is like that of a special grade” or “approaching that of a special grade” but he just says it’s special grade level.
That ranges from the guy who made panda all the way to Sukuna and Gojo.
It’s vague and I don’t believe it’s more accurate to assume this is referring to the absolute bottom or average, I don’t think there’s enough tone or context to assume anything.
But enough about that, the original calc for this assumes that he only expends a second’s worth of CE to walk right? Can someone send me the thread where this was accepted?
I still disagree with this.
absolutely nothing depicts his tone being causal.
Occam’s razor doesn’t help what you’re claiming, it’d be different if he said “His output is like that of a special grade” or “approaching that of a special grade” but he just says it’s special grade level.
That ranges from the guy who made panda all the way to Sukuna and Gojo.
It’s vague and I don’t believe it’s more accurate to assume this is referring to the absolute bottom or average, I don’t think there’s enough tone or context to assume anything.
But enough about that, the original calc for this assumes that he only expends a second’s worth of CE to walk right? Can someone send me the thread where this was accepted?
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Gakuganji isn't Special Grade. A broad statement is meant to be read broadly. Using the norm is clearly the point. If you don't agree because you don't believe it, that's an argument from incredulity. Not much I can do about unfounded disbelief for the sake of conservatism.
Idk where the thread is tbh.
Rodriiogo
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I'd say the one holding this back is Mahito via his Nanami fight, but I think it's important putting into perspective/context how casual Mahito actually was
- Even at the beginning he says he was simply experimenting his powers, he hadn't fully get used to them so he was testing how they fully worked.
- In chapter 22 it's said there's still 30 minutes left before Nanami goes into overtime, despite this it's then shown that neither him or Mahito were that damaged when he actually goes overtime.
- In chapter 23, where we get context on what happened in those 30 minutes, we see that once Mahito actually tries for a singular second he immediatly increases his speed and blitzes Nanami, touches him and says that in 2-3 more touches he will no longer be human.
- Yet throughout the rest of the 30 minutes, Mahito chooses to not touch Nanami even one more time and let him just run away despite being shown to be able to blitz him
- Even when Nanami goes overtime, Mahito is still playing around and Nanami only hits him when he's offguard because he was focused on his destruction technique and even after that Mahito simply lets himself be crushed and decides to not run away despite being decently well physically (we see he can still keep fighting despite even worse levels of damage)
- Mahito then elaborates to Kenjaku how the whole thing was just a big experiement that made him learn stuff, he even says in the image that he didn't even know Cursed Energy can be controlled by his own will at first and that he also learned the limits of his regeneration via being crushed too.
Mahito himself is way beyond the regular "grade 1" level once he actually learns and tries.
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The guy who made panda was Yaga and he was set to be designated as special grade iirc
Hmm
Rodriiogo
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I think the best way of getting a level for a grade 1 to Mahito would be Todo at 100% being able to contend with 40% of Mahito (Yuji's percentage is inconsistent so it can be ignored or just thought as a mental state nerf that gets fixed by the fact that he "comes back from the dead" since Mahito said he was gonna "destroy his soul" via killing Nobara in front of him)
And mahito's soul at 40% by default should make him be at only 40% of his power regardless if Yuji's isnt about power since mahito relies on his soul for power
So Mahito would still be 2.5x stronger than a grade 1 like todo.
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I completely whiffed that and confused their names. But Yaga's only like Grade 1 IIRC. Never been near Special Grade. He was already inferior to Teen Gojo and Geto who IIRC only got promoted to Special Grade during the time skip. I'm not even entirely sure if he's Grade 1. He's got like zero feats, and his strongest creation is only what, Semi-Grade 1 or whatever? Grade 2? Can't remember which Panda was.
Rodriiogo
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He had the POTENTIAL to be one since he could make an army of automonous cursed dolls which would make him able to overthrow a country (which is what's required to be a special grade) but he never got to that level and is a very limited version of the special grade.
Rodriiogo
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No, it uses run time as in for how long can a car run before running out of gas, not literally walking, the walking KE is only used as the bare minimum/baseline of energy needed to the point where it's still running and not turned off/out of energy so it kept accumulating CE.
The feat should theorically be higher than the value that we get but we can't assume anything other than the bare minimum here.
And here's the thread
And here's a cgm explaining how the calc works on Joaki's old calc
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