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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Buraqibear said:
No.
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I just seen a thread that had a recalc of Sukuna’s fuga
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Buraqibear/Sukuna_Shibuya_Fuga_Recalc

1. Fuga isn’t what turns the dust into explosive material, shrine imbues the dust with that property.
Doesn’t really matter but I felt the need to point out that distinction.
2. This is a chain reaction, not a single burst of energy.
It’s the equivalent of placing 100 tons of tnt in an area, tossing a lighting in the center resulting in an explosion that causes the rest to explode. The lighter wouldn’t scale to the total release of energy (Fuga) and being at the epicenter of the explosion wouldn’t warrant an upgrade since the tnt aren’t concentrated in a single place (the explosive particles) and releasing the energy outwards but instead causing a chain reaction of additional explosions.

Edit: this is the thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/jjk-ap-and-minor-speed-upgrade-crt.186596/
 
BiggestOpp said:
I just seen a thread that had a recalc of Sukuna’s fuga
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Buraqibear/Sukuna_Shibuya_Fuga_Recalc

1. Fuga isn’t what turns the dust into explosive material, shrine imbues the dust with that property.
Doesn’t really matter but I felt the need to point out that distinction.
2. This is a chain reaction, not a single burst of energy.
It’s the equivalent of placing 100 tons of tnt in an area, tossing a lighting in the center resulting in an explosion that causes the rest to explode. The lighter wouldn’t scale to the total release of energy (Fuga) and being at the epicenter of the explosion wouldn’t warrant an upgrade since the tnt aren’t concentrated in a single place (the explosive particles) and releasing the energy outwards but instead causing a chain reaction of additional explosions.

Edit: this is the thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/jjk-ap-and-minor-speed-upgrade-crt.186596/
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I see, I am aware that Malevolent Shrine is what imbues the dust with that property, Eljoaki5 was the one who made the explanation but it's easy to mistake it anyway, thanks for pointing it out regardless. You haven't explained how it's wrong though. The chain reaction takes place fast enough for it to essentially be considered one singular attack, it'd still end up with that yield
 
Guys with Abaddon's calc, would Sukuna fr scale to it or what? Sukuna said Jogo would win if he landed a single hit and wouldn't tanking the buildings crushing him in be that one hit?
 
Buraqibear said:
Guys with Abaddon's calc, would Sukuna fr scale to it or what? Sukuna said Jogo would win if he landed a single hit and wouldn't tanking the buildings crushing him in be that one hit?
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He probably sliced holes in the builiding since he still didn't touch sukuna once, tbh
Though, it could be argued that Gojo and 20F sukuna scale since they're goated like that
 
Buraqibear said:
I see, I am aware that Malevolent Shrine is what imbues the dust with that property, Eljoaki5 was the one who made the explanation but it's easy to mistake it anyway, thanks for pointing it out regardless. You haven't explained how it's wrong though. The chain reaction takes place fast enough for it to essentially be considered one singular attack, it'd still end up with that yield
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It doesn’t really matter how fast the chain reaction occurs, the speed of it isn’t what determines the calc is valid or not. It’s the way the burst of energy occurs.
It’s not like a traditional explosion or shockwave where the release of energy is from a singular point and expands outwards, this is a burst of fire that extends and causes additional bursts of energy.
Since we know for a fact that the giant explosion is the results of dust particles constantly combusting and exploding, the total energy calculated isn’t dispersing from a single point but is the collective energy of all the dust particles exploding.
That means the center of the explosion wouldn’t have the same reason of energy as the entire domain.
 
BiggestOpp said:
It doesn’t really matter how fast the chain reaction occurs, the speed of it isn’t what determines the calc is valid or not. It’s the way the burst of energy occurs.
It’s not like a traditional explosion or shockwave where the release of energy is from a singular point and expands outwards, this is a burst of fire that extends and causes additional bursts of energy.
Since we know for a fact that the giant explosion is the results of dust particles constantly combusting and exploding, the total energy calculated isn’t dispersing from a single point but is the collective energy of all the dust particles exploding.
That means the center of the explosion wouldn’t have the same reason of energy as the entire domain.
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I see, so is the feat invalid then?
 
Buraqibear said:
I see, so is the feat invalid then?
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Feat has been invalid since the author gave the explanation of it.
The amount of energy calculated isn’t incorrect but the process of the attack makes it invalid for scaling.
In vs battles it also becomes unusable against anyone with temperature res.
 
BiggestOpp said:
Feat has been invalid since the author gave the explanation of it.
The amount of energy calculated isn’t incorrect but the process of the attack makes it invalid for scaling.
In vs battles it also becomes unusable against anyone with temperature res.
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This seems like something that should be taken up in a crt on why fire arrow should or shouldn't be used.
As for now, it can be
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah but characters always have ce unless they're something not human
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Let me rephrase my question then. Would characters killing a JJK sorcerer just make them stronger since they wouldn't know to exercise them? We saw this happen to Naoya after all.
 
BiggestOpp said:
In vs battles it also becomes unusable against anyone with temperature res.
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Temperature resistance isn't the only thing an explosion has -_-

I'm pretty sure it'd just mean the explosion's AP is spread out equally

I personally don't think the calc is invalid regardless since Sukuna himself is likely fueling it seeing how little damage he takes from it and the fuel is still ignited into one big explosion looking at how it's drawn even if it's a Chain reaction, it's still being fueled by 9.88-20.153 Megatons of TNT of energy, additionally, real world thermobaric bombs are still rated with the TNT equivalent method. It's so powerful in verse because it uses the fuel, not just because it can burn you or because it's an explosion
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Let me rephrase my question then. Would characters killing a JJK sorcerer just make them stronger since they wouldn't know to exercise them? We saw this happen to Naoya after all.
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Yeah but it's basically unusable since it likely takes at least a day or more which is a win in sba
 
Da3ggman said:
Pretty sure Chariot said Fuga/Furnace was valid as one explosion since all the super mini micro explosions collapse in on each other to form one big boom. So like, take that as you will.
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Speaking of Chariot, has he nuked kny yet?
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
This seems like something that should be taken up in a crt on why fire arrow should or shouldn't be used.
As for now, it can be
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I figured it be better to discuss it here first to see how the supports feel about it before making a CRT and have a thousand opposing ideals clogging up the thread, making it harder for staff to properly evaluate it.
 
BiggestOpp said:
I figured it be better to discuss it here first to see how the supports feel about it before making a CRT and have a thousand opposing ideals clogging up the thread, making it harder for staff to properly evaluate it.
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Well, it seems the supports think it's valid
 
Da3ggman said:
Pretty sure Chariot said Fuga/Furnace was valid as one explosion since all the super mini micro explosions collapse in on each other to form one big boom. So like, take that as you will.
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Chariot as usual is making up standards as he goes along.

What matters is the net energy release, not whether or not you can tie different components of an attack together with a string to make it contiguous.

We already have a universally applied informal standard for continuous feats where the AP of a continuous effect is cutoff at the one second mark. There is little reason to think that Furnace took longer than a second, so @Buraqibear is on the money here.
 
Buraqibear said:
Temperature resistance isn't the only thing an explosion has -_-

I'm pretty sure it'd just mean the explosion's AP is spread out equally

I personally don't think the calc is invalid regardless since Sukuna himself is likely fueling it seeing how little damage he takes from it and the fuel is still ignited into one big explosion looking at how it's drawn even if it's a Chain reaction, it's still being fueled by 9.88-20.153 Megatons of TNT of energy, additionally, real world thermobaric bombs are still rated with the TNT equivalent method. It's so powerful in verse because it uses the fuel, not just because it can burn you or because it's an explosion
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The calc itself isn’t invalid but due to how the attack works it’s not possible to scale anything to the total energy released.
The energy doesnt propagate from the center but instead is occurring all over the domain due to individual explosions.
 
Epyriel said:
That distinction doesn’t matter since the source of the energy is the same, and the net total of the energy is the same.
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Maybe I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying or it’s the other way around.
Im not saying the 7-B energy is wrong or invalid, that much is true. I’m saying trying to scale people off it it is wrong.
The thread I linked argued that Maho’s wheel endured that total release of energy.
This doesn’t work unless the 7-B energy propagated from the point of impact.
Due to the nature of the attack the only amount of energy Maho’s wheel endured is the amount of explosions that occurred directly on it.
You get what I’m saying now?
 
BiggestOpp said:
Maybe I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying or it’s the other way around.
Im not saying the 7-B energy is wrong or invalid, that much is true. I’m saying trying to scale people off it it is wrong.
The thread I linked argued that Maho’s wheel endured that total release of energy.
This doesn’t work unless the 7-B energy propagated from the point of impact.
Due to the nature of the attack the only amount of energy Maho’s wheel endured is the amount of explosions that occurred directly on it.
You get what I’m saying now?
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Sure that matters for determining whether Maho’s wheel scales to it from tanking it, what I’m saying is that the distinction doesn’t matter for scaling Sukuna’s DC.
 
Epyriel said:
Sure that matters for determining whether Maho’s wheel scales to it from tanking it, what I’m saying is that the distinction doesn’t matter for scaling Sukuna’s DC.
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I’ll take that to the chest then, I should have been more clear on why I brought it up.
Do you get why I said you’d only need high temp res. to endure Fuga?
 
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