A Saiyan faces a Demon: Son Gohan (DBZ) vs. Derieri (NNT)

[Bossbrosish]

Genuinely hope this match works.

The battle takes place in Kami's lookout, with speed equalized, starting 30 meters apart. Post-Majin Buu Fight Ultimate Gohan and base Derieri are being used. SBA for everything else.

Gohan's AP	5.265 MegaFoe
Derieri's AP​	2 MegaFoe
AP Difference	2.6x difference in Gohan's favor
Gohan's LS	Class G: Don't know the exact number, but it's above 3,002,361.41 Tons
Derieri's LS​	Class P: 1.164e+17 N
LS Difference	In Derieri's favor (clearly)

Gohan: 3 (YuseiDragon1, Mgebrat282, Arkenis)

Derieri: 7 (Makai641001, Estarossa0z, Kellex, AlipheeseXIV, speedster352, Delusionaltx2, Curses0z)

Incon: 0

 

[StarShooter80]

Bridget's LS

I think you mean Gohan's?

Also Gohan upscales greatly from his AP value, essentially being able to stomp other characters with that same value like Super Buu, and then being able to one-shot characters equal to (or even stronger) than himself with charged attacks.
Derieri has an even more insane LS advantage so if she ever gets the chance she could rip him apart.

Gohan has far greater range, which is able to easily close the 30 meter distance between them (Interplanetary via Ki vs Extended Melee Range via Darkness)

Also I'm unsure if Derieri has all upper class abilities since she has some listed in her profile but not others, so is she meant to have all of them? Assuming her "High Ranking Demon Physiology" is meant to refer to upper class physiology

Demon Clan Physiology (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Demon Clan is one of the five major races in the world of Nanatsu no Taizai. According to the Lady of the Lake, the Demon Clan and their realm were created by the Demon King, after he was created by Chaos, alongside the Supreme Deity and the Sacred Tree. 3,000 years ago, the Demon Clan...

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[Bossbrosish]

I think you mean Gohan's?

Yeah, I just copied and pasted from a previous match I did (I didn't want to type all over again, thanks for pointing it out)

Also I'm unsure if Derieri has all upper class abilities since she has some listed in her profile but not others, so is she meant to have all of them? Assuming her "High Ranking Demon Physiology" is meant to refer to upper class physiology

She should have all of them, but some things she hasn't been shown using in character, like Hellblaze, for example.

 

[StarShooter80]

Yeah, I just copied and pasted from a previous match I did (I didn't want to type all over again, thanks for pointing it out)

She should have all of them, but some things she hasn't been shown using in character, like Hellblaze, for example.

What about Mind Manipulation via miasma, and Layered Fear Manipulation/Paralysis Inducement? Since those seem to be the most fight-turning ones

 

[Bossbrosish]

What about Mind Manipulation via miasma, and Layered Fear Manipulation/Paralysis Inducement? Since those seem to be the most fight-turning ones

If I'm reading it right, it's more so that they resist the miasma of the Demon Realm but can also emit it from their bodies. I'm not very familiar with NNT (Still on season 1 of the anime, mostly because I have work and barely have time to watch it), so I could be wrong about the miasma stuff. Derieri should be able to do it as well, but I'm not sure if she has in character. As for fear manipulation, I believe I've seen a clip of her scaring someone just by standing (or something like that), but I'm not sure if it was actual fear manip or just a clip out of context.

 

[StarShooter80]

If I'm reading it right, it's more so that they resist the miasma of the Demon Realm but can also emit it from their bodies. I'm not very familiar with NNT (Still on season 1 of the anime, mostly because I have work and barely have time to watch it), so I could be wrong about the miasma stuff. Derieri should be able to do it as well, but I'm not sure if she has in character. As for fear manipulation, I believe I've seen a clip of her scaring someone just by standing (or something like that), but I'm not sure if it was actual fear manip or just a clip out of context.

Then I'll stay neutral on that, but leaning towards Gohan since he can end the fight first with the range being able to strike her already with the big ap advantage

 

[Estarossa0z]

Can gohan resist soul manip?

 

[StarShooter80]

Can gohan resist soul manip?

Gohan has resistance to soul damage, can manipulation his own soul via ki, and deal soul damage himself

Dragon Ball: Soul Manipulation Part 2

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Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

Ki (気き?, lit. "Air, Breath"), also known as Chi/Qi, Yoki (妖よう気き, Yōki?, lit. "Bewitching energy") or simply Energy (エネルギー, Enerugī?) is the secret energy that lies hidden inside the bodies of humans. By utilizing materialized energy converted from energy inside one's body, one can produce...

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[Jey-kun52]

Wouldnt derieri be a 46 megafoe? It needs to have 5% of the DK's power.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Wouldnt derieri be a 46 megafoe? It needs to have 5% of the DK's power.

Asked about her AP from Demon-Lord back in October told me she scales to 2 Megafoe

 

[Jey-kun52]

Asked about her AP from Demon-Lord back in October told me she scales to 2 Megafoe

Fine

 

[Makai641001]

Gohan has resistance to soul damage, can manipulation his own soul via ki, and deal soul damage himself

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Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

Ki (気き?, lit. "Air, Breath"), also known as Chi/Qi, Yoki (妖よう気き, Yōki?, lit. "Bewitching energy") or simply Energy (エネルギー, Enerugī?) is the secret energy that lies hidden inside the bodies of humans. By utilizing materialized energy converted from energy inside one's body, one can produce...

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Demons extract and straight up destroy souls.

Derrierie being a high ranking demon her soul manip scales significantly higher Than a baseline red demon

What about Mind Manipulation via miasma, and Layered Fear Manipulation/Paralysis Inducement? Since those seem to be the most fight-turning ones

Demons have layered passive fear hax
Chandler Cusack and co could fear manip Arthur that previously sliced them in half.

 

[Makai641001]

Regarding AP Derrierie scales far higher than Meliodas DM2 that one shots people that scales to the value.

And she has her combo.

She can fly too so catching up a flying gohan isn’t a problem.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Derrierie being a high ranking demon her soul manip scales significantly higher Than a baseline red demon

Is it like a layered thing or just more potent?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Regarding AP Derrierie scales far higher than Meliodas DM2 that one shots people that scales to the value.

How high? Because I've been told it's 2 Megafoe from Demon_Lord

 

[Makai641001]

Is it like a layered thing or just more potent?

Iirc it’s layered they can extract/destroy souls that resists purge.

How high? Because I've been told it's 2 Megafoe from Demon_Lord

2 options:

1) 2.81 Megafoe due to her badly stomping unsealed DM2 Meliodas.

2) 5.621 Megafoe due to her being able to damage Sariel and Tarmiel (She even overpowered Sariel’s wind shield)

Higher with star combo

 

[Bossbrosish]

Iirc it’s layered they can extract/destroy souls that resists purge.

Any idea how many layers it is?

2 options:

1) 2.81 Megafoe due to her badly stomping unsealed DM2 Meliodas.

2) 5.621 Megafoe due to her being able to damage Sariel and Tarmiel (She even overpowered Sariel’s wind shield)

Higher with star combo

I see. To me personally, I think the 2.81 makes the most sense, but this should be discussed in the main NNT discussion thread to get a concrete answer.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Any idea how many layers it is?

Layered abilities are in the verse page

 

[Bossbrosish]

Layered abilities are in the verse page

I checked, doesn't show soul manip, only mind, fear, deconstruction, and paralysis.

 

[Makai641001]

Any idea how many layers it is?

1 iirc

I see. To me personally, I think the 2.81 makes the most sense, but this should be discussed in the main NNT discussion thread to get a concrete answer.

Idk she badly damaged the archangels

 

[Kachon123]

I'm pretty sure than even with Gohan's AP advantage, Derieri could make up the difference with combo star.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I'm pretty sure than even with Gohan's AP advantage, Derieri could make up the difference with combo star.

Depends on how often she can land the hits. It breaks and resets if it's interrupted. Gohan also has his teleportation to help him out.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Depends on how often she can land the hits. It breaks and resets if it's interrupted. Gohan also has his teleportation to help him out.

P class ls GG
Joking aside, there's a big difference between LS.

 

[Bossbrosish]

P class ls GG
Joking aside, there's a big difference between LS.

That's true, but I don't think Derieri is the type to grab Gohan. I could be wrong though.

 

[Kachon123]

That's true, but I don't think Derieri is the type to grab Gohan. I could be wrong though.

She does mix in throws into her combos

 

[Bossbrosish]

She does mix in throws into her combos

I think that's more so a throw punch (genuinely have no idea how to describe the movement, but it seems more like a strike than a grab). Is there any of her like, grabbing her opponent and crushing them rather than doing a throwing movement?

 

[Kachon123]

I think that's more so a throw punch (genuinely have no idea how to describe the movement, but it seems more like a strike than a grab). Is there any of her like, grabbing her opponent and crushing them rather than doing a throwing movement?

Well she has a giant arm and her whole shtick is comboing her opponent. It would be very odd if for some reason she doesn't use it in the best way she can (which in this case would be exploiting her superior LS).

 

[Jey-kun52]

She does mix in throws into her combos

There's a huge skin GIF on the screen and it's distracting me (she likes to dominate). It's like a normal slap, but they're both fighting hand-to-hand, so the LS advantage is important.

 

[Makai641001]

Well she has a giant arm and her whole shtick is comboing her opponent. It would be very odd if for some reason she doesn't use it in the best way she can (which in this case would be exploiting her superior LS).

Didn’t she insta crush Nerobasta ?

She can extand her range too and her Durability is at least 2x superior to her AP for Surviving her own FC’d attack

 

[Bossbrosish]

Didn’t she insta crush Nerobasta ?

It was more of a slashing attack rather than crushing with pure strength.

She can extand her range too and her Durability is at least 2x superior to her AP for Surviving her own FC’d attack

Not sure how much that'll help when Gohan can massively amp his attacks with ki

 

[Makai641001]

It was more of a slashing attack rather than crushing with pure strength.

Yeah

Not sure how much that'll help when Gohan can massively amp his attacks with ki

Still better to have 2x your own AP lol

 

[Makai641001]

Regarding the matchup i don’t think Gohan has a counter to layered fear hax, the miasma effects or the soul manip

Both can fly

Derrierie scales up to 5.6 Megafoe for being able to break through Sariel’s wind barrier.
Far higher with the combo
Her durability should be 2x that value.

She also has a few million x his LS

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bump

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Going Gohan for superior skill

 

[Delusionaltx2]

This is me before looking at both profiles but at a glance using just what I remember from both characters I feel like this is a pretty shaky matchup for gohan here

For one the LS advantage means even if she doesn't grapple, every hit is going to be ragdolling him severely which is a pretty notable advantage in a matchup against two characters with flight

Second of all my knowledge on SDS is vague as I haven't seen the show or manga in years but from what I remember; derieri with combo star went from getting blocked by mel to breaking his arms in a short timeframe, unless gohan has some ludicrous upscaling from his value that 2x AP advantage is going to get shattered fairly quickly when the two of them start going blow for blow with each other

Third of all, she can regenerate while gohan cannot, if gohan gets his limbs broken, he can't heal that back, if derieri loses a limb to a charged attack, she can heal. Now I'm not saying this alone is that threatening but this combined with the above supports derieri more

I'm honestly leaning towards derieri for these reasons but I'm gonna actually look at the profiles (and potentially revisit some things) from both sides before I vote

 

[StarShooter80]

Damn i haven't checked this thread for a while, from the reasons above Derieri does seem like she wins but I should note:

unless gohan has some ludicrous upscaling from his value that 2x AP advantage is going to get shattered fairly quickly when the two of them start going blow for blow with each other

His value comes from Super Buu who he is able to completely stomp with ease

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His Kamehameha is also accepted as being able to reach levels where he can one-shot/annihilate characters stronger than himself.

I'm not sure how much Derieri upscales from her value but that's Gohan's upscaling for you.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Going Gohan for superior skill

I think you need a better reason to vote for Gohan than just simply superior skill

 

[Mgebrat282]

If we decide by their wiki's profiles, then both of them can one-shot each other via LS and AP advantages. But Gohan has range advantage, ki can counter anything Derieri has, and he is much better fighter(not so much inferior to his father, who was better than masters of all martial artists when he was just 16, and since then he was getting much, MUCH better. When Derieri is just...good fighter). So yeah, Gohan easily gets this one

 

[Makai641001]

If we decide by their wiki's profiles, then both of them can one-shot each other via LS and AP advantages. But Gohan has range advantage, ki can counter anything Derieri has, and he is much better fighter(not so much inferior to his father, who was better than masters of all martial artists when he was just 16, and since then he was getting much, MUCH better. When Derieri is just...good fighter). So yeah, Gohan easily gets this one

Gohan can’t one shot her tho.

She scales to a superior value AP wise (5.6 mega foe) and her durability is at least 2x superior to said value.

He also has litteraly nothing against Layered fear hax.

Skill gap isn’t big enough for him to beat her.
(And he probably can’t beat any of the ten commandments except maybe Galand)

When charging Ki DB characters tend to be immobile for short periods of time, Derrieri is ragdolling him to death.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Gohan can’t one shot her tho.

She scales to a superior value AP wise (5.6 mega foe) and her durability is at least 2x superior to said value.

Gohan can charge kamehameha or masenko, which would be pretty fast

He also has litteraly nothing against Layered fear hax.

Goathan faced litteral world level threats that were going to kill everyone, was beaten and almostly killed so many times, so I don't think it would really affect him in battle so much. Also ki is a mental power and to control it you need a strong mind, so yeah.

Skill gap isn’t big enough for him to beat her.
(And he probably can’t beat any of the ten commandments except maybe Galand)

Skill is a pretty important thing in a fight(he easily can read all her movements and next moves) and Gohan is thousands times better than her in it.

When charging Ki DB characters tend to be immobile for short periods of time, Derrieri is ragdolling him to death.

Well, no. We saw so many times when characters were charging attacks while moving and dodging, just remember how Goku was charging kamehameha in a fight with Kefla or how Piccolo was dodging all Frost's attacks while charging Makankosanpo.