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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Gokukid2005 said:
She never said that.
And Maki isn't the best person to really base the argument off of.
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Doesn't say what? Lightning translated it nearly 1 to 1 like both translations have. What's your point here then? That Yuki and Yuta are vastly different in every stat or they're relative and thus Maki's point of bringing up their special grade sorcerer status is directly used to imply relativity? Or is it that Maki is just saying it to say it without taking into account Yuta's abilities?

Gokukid2005 said:
  1. She has no clue of what actually occurred in the fight, just the results.
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Doesn't matter. She knows, as they all already knew, beating Kenjaku regularly is impossible.

Gokukid2005 said:
  1. She doesn't know anything about Yuki's actual skill set and hasn't seen Yuta in half a year. She only knows both of them are special grades so she compares that.
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And that's all that's needed. You're inferring they are different though, you'd need to show this otherwise the statement is totally meant for implying they're in the same ballpark of power, even if you think its not stats, but Yuki obviously has the greater ap.

Gokukid2005 said:
  1. Trying to rank special grades simply because of their similar title is utterly worthless because we're shown time and time again that its a rank given to anomalies with no upper limit of power.
He's still a monster to be wary of especially because of his knowledge and taking the kit of a special grade and expanding on it, but after the heavy hitters were assembled, Kenjaku was never thought of as "unbeatable" in a straight fight.
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That scan still proves relativity. Even if you don't believe they're relative in stats, which is just dumb, the special grade sorcerer status is about immeasurable power, that's what Yuki and Yuta are, and if you think that's what Maki is going off of, it still supports the general idea that beating Kenjaku regularly is impossible. Also they had the heavy hitters when Maki says beating him straightforward/conventionally wasn't gonna happen. Then there's MeiMei saying they gotta jump Kenjaku to beat him.
I don't get your point ngl, the manga shows us both times Kenjaku fights, it needs to be several people involved with work arounds around direct confrontation, they have to weaken him, and they needed him to reveal his gravity or let his guard down.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
You able to copy paste whatever comment you put there onto here cause I forgot my login and I’m on mobile and I can’t be bothered to do forgot my password cause then I’d have to change it on my pc also
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The timeframe for the force calc would actually be two frames.
The building move for 2 frames before the moment in which you calculate speed.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
The timeframe for the force calc would actually be two frames.
The building move for 2 frames before the moment in which you calculate speed.
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Huh, I swear it was just 1 frame cause I’m pretty sure I just took one frame and then the very next frame and then overlayed the two but I did also do the calc at like 4 am so I may have been out of it.

Anyways I’ll check it again and fix it when I get back to my pc
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Huh, I swear it was just 1 frame cause I’m pretty sure I just took one frame and then the very next frame and then overlayed the two but I did also do the calc at like 4 am so I may have been out of it.
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That is correct, the speed. But the way you calculate the force is like it wasnt moving before that frame (Started at rest).
Which is not the case cause the building accelerates to that speed in the two frames before that.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
That is correct, the speed. But the way you calculate the force is like it wasnt moving before that frame (Started at rest).
Which is not the case cause the building accelerates to that speed in the two frames before that.
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Ah I see what you mean. Then I’ll just fix that right now. Shouldn’t be that hard on mobile (obligatory screw fandom mobile editor)

Edit: oh wait right I’m not logged in. ****
 
ElJoaki5 said:
That is correct, the speed. But the way you calculate the force is like it wasnt moving before that frame (Started at rest).
Which is not the case cause the building accelerates to that speed in the two frames before that.
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Okay managed to log in and changed it
 
Okay so if we go with the mechamaru year charges, from what I can tell disaster curse and grade 1 scaling would basically go:
  • 1 year charge = Mahito (tanked it with some burns)
  • 40% of 1 year charge = Shibuya Todo (was at 100% against 40% Mahito and was roughly even)
  • 4x 1 year charge = Yuji (even with 40% Mahito while at 10%) = Nanami (Yuji was said to be equal to Nanami in striking power)
  • Hanami = 4x 1 year charge (could hurt Yuji)
  • Kusakabe/Naobito > 4x 1 year charge (Both are arguably the strongest grade 1 sorcerers according to Gojo)
  • Dagon > Naobito (Dagon tanked his hits and damaged him)
  • Jogo > Kusakabe/Naobito (Kusakabe believed everyone currently facing Sukuna (Choso, Higuruma, himself, Yuji, and Ino) would die if hit by Fuga because it was able to one shot Jogo, implying that Jogo’s more durable than them. Also y’know, literally barbecued Naobito)
  • Hanami (Durability) = Todo with playful cloud > Jogo (took hits from Todo with playful cloud and Yuji’s black flashes along with Yuji’s base hits which would’ve killed Jogo) (don’t think it should be 2.5x Yuji’s stats cause it straight up ripped off Hanami’s arm from what I remember)
Not sure if we would upgrade base grade 1 stats cause the finger bearer still exists as the baseline for special grade curses and thus the grade 1 baseline

You could also maybe argue Jogo should have heavy hitter firepower (not durability) if you assume Kusakabes statement was about everyone (so heavy hitters) and him being terrified of him and Sukuna in their fight plus the Kenjaku statement but hey
 
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
It'd be really weird cause ain't the 1 Year charge just like, the power (to move) of the Giant mechamaru x31,536,000?
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Yes, that is what the 1 year charge is calculated by

Honestly giant mechamaru scaling is dumb as hell imo but it’s what everyone’s going with so eh and hey I get my upgraded disaster curses
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Okay so if we go with the mechamaru year charges, from what I can tell disaster curse and grade 1 scaling would basically go:
  • 1 year charge = Mahito (tanked it with some burns)
  • 40% of 1 year charge = Shibuya Todo (was at 100% against 40% Mahito and was roughly even)
  • 4x 1 year charge = Yuji (even with 40% Mahito while at 10%) = Nanami (Yuji was said to be equal to Nanami in striking power)
  • Hanami = 4x 1 year charge (could hurt Yuji)
  • Kusakabe/Naobito > 4x 1 year charge (Both are arguably the strongest grade 1 sorcerers according to Gojo)
  • Dagon > Naobito (Dagon tanked his hits and damaged him)
  • Jogo > Kusakabe/Naobito (Kusakabe believed everyone currently facing Sukuna (Choso, Higuruma, himself, Yuji, and Ino) would die if hit by Fuga because it was able to one shot Jogo, implying that Jogo’s more durable than them. Also y’know, literally barbecued Naobito)
  • Hanami (Durability) = Todo with playful cloud > Jogo (took hits from Todo with playful cloud and Yuji’s black flashes along with Yuji’s base hits which would’ve killed Jogo) (don’t think it should be 2.5x Yuji’s stats cause it straight up ripped off Hanami’s arm from what I remember)
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So…..grade 1 sorcerers are gonna scale to Special Grade output?
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
4x 1 year charge = Yuji (even with 40% Mahito while at 10%) = Nanami (Yuji was said to be equal to Nanami in striking power)
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To be fair, the statement was that he was probably stronger than Nanami IIRC, and we don't know if it was about Nanami with, or without the Binding Vow buff (Which matters, cuz he's either at 80% or 120%). I believe some of the argument was that Yuji also get stronger throughout the Arc as well (Eating Sukuna fingers, getting strongly emotional, landing a Black Flash, etc.)
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Hanami = 4x 1 year charge (could hurt Yuji)
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Yuji in Goodwill Event was weaker. He got stronger from fighting the Blood brothers (landed a Black Flash on em). Hanami should scale, but would Hanami be 4x the 1 year charge if that makes Hanami 4x stronger than Mahito? I suppose it could work since Mahito ain't that tanky or a heavy hitter and more of a resilience merchant, but that'd make Hanami 2x stronger than ISBODK too. I'd agree if Hanami had fought Shibuya Yuji, but idk (Yuji was comparable to Todo during Goodwill event. Stronger, but comparable. It's during the Shibuya event that Todo says he's falling behind)...
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Kusakabe/Naobito > 4x 1 year charge (Both are arguably the strongest grade 1 sorcerers according to Gojo)
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Kusakabe sure, Naobito? Naobito wouldn't be able to even beat Dagon in a 1v1. Heck, he said Dagon required several Grade 1s to exorcise. So would he scale to Shibuya Yuji at 100% (Mahito fight)?
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
  • Jogo > Kusakabe/Naobito (Kusakabe believed everyone currently facing Sukuna (Choso, Higuruma, himself, Yuji, and Ino) would die if hit by Fuga because it was able to one shot Jogo, implying that Jogo’s more durable than them. Also y’know, literally barbecued Naobito)
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Hmmm, unsure. Wouldn't this only work if we assume Shinjuku Yuji is barely stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji? Otherwise, Yuji's Black Flashes which are only a 2.5x amp which can kill Jogo would sort cap Jogo at around 2.5x stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji, no? So him being more durable doesn't quite make sense. I'd say if you were just arguing his AP was above, that'd make more sense. As Sukuna's Divine Flame overpowered Jogo's own flame with ease and STILL had the energy to easily kill him. And that was a regular Divine Flame, not the thermobaric explosives.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Hmmm, unsure. Wouldn't this only work if we assume Shinjuku Yuji is barely stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji? Otherwise, Yuji's Black Flashes which are only a 2.5x amp which can kill Jogo would sort cap Jogo at around 2.5x stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji, no? So him being more durable doesn't quite make sense.
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I remember hearing that the black flashes and playful cloud strikes would need to be at vital spots to kill him, and yeah it'd probably be better to argue AP
 
Da3ggman said:
So…..grade 1 sorcerers are gonna scale to Special Grade output?
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Based on the numbers apparently.

LaserPrecision said:
To be fair, the statement was that he was probably stronger than Nanami IIRC, and we don't know if it was about Nanami with, or without the Binding Vow buff (Which matters, cuz he's either at 80% or 120%). I believe some of the argument was that Yuji also get stronger throughout the Arc as well (Eating Sukuna fingers, getting strongly emotional, landing a Black Flash, etc.)
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It was that he was probably on Nanami’s level.

That argument could work I guess

LaserPrecision said:
Yuji in Goodwill Event was weaker. He got stronger from fighting the Blood brothers (landed a Black Flash on em). Hanami should scale, but would Hanami be 4x the 1 year charge if that makes Hanami 4x stronger than Mahito? I suppose it could work since Mahito ain't that tanky or a heavy hitter and more of a resilience merchant, but that'd make Hanami 2x stronger than ISBODK too. I'd agree if Hanami had fought Shibuya Yuji, but idk (Yuji was comparable to Todo during Goodwill event. Stronger, but comparable. It's during the Shibuya event that Todo says he's falling behind)...
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Maybe just Hanami dura upscale while their AP remains lower at Todo’s level

LaserPrecision said:
Kusakabe sure, Naobito? Naobito wouldn't be able to even beat Dagon in a 1v1. Heck, he said Dagon required several Grade 1s to exorcise. So would he scale to Shibuya Yuji at 100% (Mahito fight)?
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Naobito is still arguable top grade 1 according to Gojo and his overall showings put him above guys like Nanami so it would make sense. Unless you think Kusakabe would 1v1 Dagon and win

LaserPrecision said:
Hmmm, unsure. Wouldn't this only work if we assume Shinjuku Yuji is barely stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji? Otherwise, Yuji's Black Flashes which are only a 2.5x amp which can kill Jogo would sort cap Jogo at around 2.5x stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji, no? So him being more durable doesn't quite make sense. I'd say if you were just arguing his AP was above, that'd make more sense. As Sukuna's Divine Flame overpowered Jogo's own flame with ease and STILL had the energy to easily kill him. And that was a regular Divine Flame, not the thermobaric explosives.
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It would’ve taken 4-5 (can’t remember the exact number) plus playful cloud to kill him which is still a pretty big distinction.

Eh arguing AP still works imo
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
  • 4x 1 year charge = Yuji (even with 40% Mahito while at 10%) = Nanami (Yuji was said to be equal to Nanami in striking power)
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Full healthy Yuji = Nanami not 10% Yuji = Nanami.
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
  • Hanami = 4x 1 year charge (could hurt Yuji)
  • Kusakabe/Naobito > 4x 1 year charge (Both are arguably the strongest grade 1 sorcerers according to Gojo)
  • Dagon > Naobito (Dagon tanked his hits and damaged him)
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Been a while but isn't both Dagon and Naobito are equal in sts ?
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
  • Jogo > Kusakabe/Naobito (Kusakabe believed everyone currently facing Sukuna (Choso, Higuruma, himself, Yuji, and Ino) would die if hit by Fuga because it was able to one shot Jogo, implying that Jogo’s more durable than them. Also y’know, literally barbecued Naobito)
  • Hanami (Durability) = Todo with playful cloud > Jogo (took hits from Todo with playful cloud and Yuji’s black flashes along with Yuji’s base hits which would’ve killed Jogo) (don’t think it should be 2.5x Yuji’s stats cause it straight up ripped off Hanami’s arm from what I remember)
Not sure if we would upgrade base grade 1 stats cause the finger bearer still exists as the baseline for special grade curses and thus the grade 1 baseline

You could also maybe argue Jogo should have heavy hitter firepower (not durability) if you assume Kusakabes statement was about everyone (so heavy hitters) and him being terrified of him and Sukuna in their fight plus the Kenjaku statement but hey
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Kenjaku upgrade I guess if we scale Jogo durability above Yuji who is on heavy hitters level 🙄
 
LaserPrecision said:
Hmmm, unsure. Wouldn't this only work if we assume Shinjuku Yuji is barely stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji? Otherwise, Yuji's Black Flashes which are only a 2.5x amp which can kill Jogo would sort cap Jogo at around 2.5x stronger than Goodwill Event Yuji, no? So him being more durable doesn't quite make sense. I'd say if you were just arguing his AP was above, that'd make more sense. As Sukuna's Divine Flame overpowered Jogo's own flame with ease and STILL had the energy to easily kill him. And that was a regular Divine Flame, not the thermobaric explosives.
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
It would’ve taken 4-5 (can’t remember the exact number) plus playful cloud to kill him which is still a pretty big distinction.

Eh arguing AP still works imo
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I’m pretty sure it’s stated as some kind of stacking, where Jogo was getting hit by four Black Flashes, on top of Playful Cloud from Todo. Also, isn’t this talking about Jogo, who was recovering from Gojo’s fight? Then there’s another thing about CE reinforcement. What I understand is that Hanami’s natural durability is just busted, while Jogo’s durability comes from reinforcing himself with CE. It’s more like Hanami’s durability will remain constant to some extent if CE reinforcement is applied, while taking damage will decrease Jogo’s durability. More like how a character gets weaker the more damage they take. I mean, if you get hit back-to-back, regeneration wouldn’t be helping instantly. If I have to compare Hanami’s durability and statements, Nnoitora from Bleach is a good example, I think?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Full healthy Yuji = Nanami not 10% Yuji = Nanami.
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Well it's because that statement was made about the beginning of Shibuya Yuji. By the time he fights Mahito and as he fights Mahito he'd be stronger by then. If Yuji were at 100% immediately after the Mahito fight, he should be stronger than Nanami.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I’m pretty sure it’s stated as some kind of stacking, where Jogo was getting hit by four Black Flashes, on top of Playful Cloud from Todo. Also, isn’t this talking about Jogo, who was recovering from Gojo’s fight? Then there’s another thing about CE reinforcement. What I understand is that Hanami’s natural durability is just busted, while Jogo’s durability comes from reinforcing himself with CE. It’s more like Hanami’s durability will remain constant to some extent if CE reinforcement is applied, while taking damage will decrease Jogo’s durability. More like how a character gets weaker the more damage they take. I mean, if you get hit back-to-back, regeneration wouldn’t be helping instantly. If I have to compare Hanami’s durability and statements, Nnoitora from Bleach is a good example, I think?
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Everything here is true, but I don't think the statement was in reference to weakened Jogo. Just Jogo period.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I’m pretty sure it’s stated as some kind of stacking, where Jogo was getting hit by four Black Flashes, on top of Playful Cloud from Todo. Also, isn’t this talking about Jogo, who was recovering from Gojo’s fight? Then there’s another thing about CE reinforcement. What I understand is that Hanami’s natural durability is just busted, while Jogo’s durability comes from reinforcing himself with CE. It’s more like Hanami’s durability will remain constant to some extent if CE reinforcement is applied, while taking damage will decrease Jogo’s durability. More like how a character gets weaker the more damage they take. I mean, if you get hit back-to-back, regeneration wouldn’t be helping instantly. If I have to compare Hanami’s durability and statements, Nnoitora from Bleach is a good example, I think?
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The Jogo Hanami durability statement came after chapter 51
 
LaserPrecision said:
Everything here is true, but I don't think the statement was in reference to weakened Jogo. Just Jogo period.
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
The Jogo Hanami durability statement came after chapter 51
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Well then we should go for Baseline Jogo has some low durability which gets him killed by Yuji and Todo combo I think. Since characters can reinforce and increase their durability.
He also took a blue imbued punch from Gojo (obviously holding back back still a good feat).
 
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