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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Isn't the 120% thing only a temporary increase? I never really considered the possibility of it being permanent.
That's never been stated. The zone is temporary but the output increase is likely permanent and stacks. Yuji is four times stronger than everyone fr. I mean, Yuta in Gojo's body performed worse against Sukuna in hand to hand than awakened Yuji was performing, and post-black flash Gojo was dogging on everyone in the battle field
 
That's never been stated. The zone is temporary but the output increase is likely permanent and stacks. Yuji is four times stronger than everyone fr. I mean, Yuta in Gojo's body performed worse against Sukuna in hand to hand than awakened Yuji was performing, and post-black flash Gojo was dogging on everyone in the battle field
Listen, i'm a Yuji glazer too but bringing up the Yujo's performance and shenanigans is crazy work
 
Might have eaten the first year charge
Just got off work and checked the chapters again, yeah Mahito took a direct 1 year charge but none of the other ones hit from what I can tell. Other than that it was just simple domain hits or punches

7-B or High 7-C disaster curses, whichever one it was, here we come

In episode 7 of jjk Gojo chants and expands his domain while jogos attack is frozen. Anyone wanna calc that?
Trying to do it right now but not gonna lie, finding a video that isn't cut to hell is killing me lol. Can't find one. Well, I did, but that one had the video quality of a moldy potato
 
Still took her out the fight gang so the fact Yuji didn't knocked or cough up blood like the other people hit by a Sukuna BF is impressive
He also shoulder bashed the jab to reduce the damage like Todo did to him in goodwill
And the difference between the bf + dismantle combo that took out Maki and the one that hit Yuji was:
  • An additional BF
  • A punch from Yuji which nulls the boost from black flash
  • And 2 black flashes straight into the boundary between souls which does heavy nerfing to Sukuna
 
7-B or High 7-C disaster curses, whichever one it was, here we come
High 7-C if we scale Mahito to one year charge

Are we gonna like argue that "special grade output" that Kenjaku mentioned is about special grade cursed spirits and not sorcerers then? Cause I doubt "special grade sorcerers output" are only 2x base mahito narratively lmao
 
High 7-C if we scale Mahito to one year charge

Are we gonna like argue that "special grade output" that Kenjaku mentioned is about special grade cursed spirits and not sorcerers then? Cause I doubt "special grade sorcerers output" are only 2x base mahito narratively lmao
Rodriiogo on his way to upgrade Mahito to H7-C: (He's gonna get the verse nuked to H8-C)
 
High 7-C if we scale Mahito to one year charge

Are we gonna like argue that "special grade output" that Kenjaku mentioned is about special grade cursed spirits and not sorcerers then? Cause I doubt "special grade sorcerers output" are only 2x base mahito narratively lmao
There are still some statements and narrative precedent to say that the disaster curses would still be relatively high tier even compared to other special grade tier sorcerers, like the guidebook saying that Kenjaku would find Mahito and Jogo to be relatively difficult fights (the guidebook also asked if Kenjaku could capture the disaster curses and Gege responded with "in a one-on-one fight, sure" which implies that all 4 may be an even bigger challenge and potentially a loss for him), Kusakabe implying that the guys who engaged Sukuna at the start of the battle (himself, Higuruma, Choso, Ino, and Yuji) were at or below Jogo in terms of power/durability, Kusakabe apparently being someone who can prance with special grades meanwhile he was basically terrified of Jogo and Sukuna's "fight" (probably moreso Sukuna but he still implied that Jogo was far above him too), etc
 
There are still some statements and narrative precedent to say that the disaster curses would still be relatively high tier even compared to other special grade tier sorcerers, like the guidebook saying that Kenjaku would find Mahito and Jogo to be relatively difficult fights (the guidebook also asked if Kenjaku could capture the disaster curses and Gege responded with "in a one-on-one fight, sure" which implies that all 4 may be an even bigger challenge and potentially a loss for him),
I believe the question was about if he'd be able to absorb them and the answer was that he'd struggle with Jogo and Mahito but I'm pretty sure the statement is pretty outdated and was before the Culling Game when Kenjaku actually did stuff
Kusakabe implying that the guys who engaged Sukuna at the start of the battle (himself, Higuruma, Choso, Ino, and Yuji) were at or below Jogo in terms of power/durability, Kusakabe apparently being someone who can prance with special grades meanwhile he was basically terrified of Jogo and Sukuna's "fight" (probably moreso Sukuna but he still implied that Jogo was far above him too), etc
Kusakabe was just being a wuss
 
I believe the question was about if he'd be able to absorb them and the answer was that he'd struggle with Jogo and Mahito but I'm pretty sure the statement is pretty outdated and was before the Culling Game when Kenjaku actually did stuff
It being about him absorbing them doesn't necessarily matter cause it'd still turn into a fight. Geto's statement was made to say the limit of freely absorbing curses and both are in the special grade tier so it means that Jogo and Mahito would still put up a fight

Could be outdated though that's fair

Kusakabe was just being a wuss
Maybe for the second part about him being afraid of the Jogo Sukuna fight but he did still directly compare all of their power/durability to Jogo and said that if fuga could take him out it would be more than enough to take any of them out. That wouldn't be affected by him being a wuss, he's just straight up saying if it can kill Jogo it can kill them.
 
I believe the question was about if he'd be able to absorb them and the answer was that he'd struggle with Jogo and Mahito but I'm pretty sure the statement is pretty outdated and was before the Culling Game when Kenjaku actually did stuff
it wasn't just absorbing, it was whether he could claim them with CSM, which requires beating them first
 
There are still some statements and narrative precedent to say that the disaster curses would still be relatively high tier even compared to other special grade tier sorcerers, like the guidebook saying that Kenjaku would find Mahito and Jogo to be relatively difficult fights (the guidebook also asked if Kenjaku could capture the disaster curses and Gege responded with "in a one-on-one fight, sure" which implies that all 4 may be an even bigger challenge and potentially a loss for him), Kusakabe implying that the guys who engaged Sukuna at the start of the battle (himself, Higuruma, Choso, Ino, and Yuji) were at or below Jogo in terms of power/durability, Kusakabe apparently being someone who can prance with special grades meanwhile he was basically terrified of Jogo and Sukuna's "fight" (probably moreso Sukuna but he still implied that Jogo was far above him too), etc
Eh I have some doubts on that. Im not denying what you said but even the disaster curses, specially Jogo are extremely weak physically. Jogo is a pure glass cannon with good speed which makes him "strong" but he physically gets overpowered by even Shibuya Todo with Playful Cloud according to Gege, which is just at the level of a grade 1 sorcerer so you'd also have to say people like Todo are only 2x weaker than special grade level and shibuya yuji's black flash is above baseline special grade sorcerer which... eh?

I really think the only way we can push Mahito to H7-C via the one year charge without messing up in-verse is if the two year charge is special grade spirit level, not special grade sorcerer level otherwise you will have 200% Mahito being special grade sorcerer level btw even tho hes meant to be defeatable by grade 1s
 
I really think the only way we can push Mahito to H7-C via the one year charge without messing up in-verse is if the two year charge is special grade spirit level, not special grade sorcerer level otherwise you will have 200% Mahito being special grade sorcerer level btw even tho hes meant to be defeatable by grade 1s
I will say for this, Mahito was straight up just not taking damage from Yuji at 200% and would've killed him had he not landed the black flash. I doubt any regular grade 1 is going to be doing that (I'm assuming you're using that one statement that grade 1s are the minimum required to take out a special grade which could just be for the bare minimums like finger bearers and not guys like the disaster curses)
 
Eh I have some doubts on that. Im not denying what you said but even the disaster curses, specially Jogo are extremely weak physically. Jogo is a pure glass cannon with good speed which makes him "strong" but he physically gets overpowered by even Shibuya Todo with Playful Cloud according to Gege, which is just at the level of a grade 1 sorcerer so you'd also have to say people like Todo are only 2x weaker than special grade level and shibuya yuji's black flash is above baseline special grade sorcerer which... eh?

I really think the only way we can push Mahito to H7-C via the one year charge without messing up in-verse is if the two year charge is special grade spirit level, not special grade sorcerer level otherwise you will have 200% Mahito being special grade sorcerer level btw even tho hes meant to be defeatable by grade 1s
Unless you think Gojo's punches are weaker than Yuji's BFs
I think Yuji's 4BFs and on top of PC would have killed Jogo might possibly talking about stacking continuous attack and Jogos reinforcements not holding up.
 
I will say for this, Mahito was straight up just not taking damage from Yuji at 200% and would've killed him had he not landed the black flash. I doubt any regular grade 1 is going to be doing that (I'm assuming you're using that one statement that grade 1s are the minimum required to take out a special grade which could just be for the bare minimums like finger bearers and not guys like the disaster curses)
Well isn't this possible to assume Gege was taking account of Mahitos Instant Spirit Body Of Distorted Killing regarding Kenjaku struggling to absorb him? Yuji was amped by BFs too still he was weaker than that form. We have Post Shibuya Yuji somewhat keeping up with Yuta.
I don't know I'm explaining it well. I'll try to explain this later if needed.
 
Well isn't this possible to assume Gege was taking account of Mahitos Instant Spirit Body Of Distorted Killing regarding Kenjaku struggling to absorb him? Yuji was amped by BFs too still he was weaker than that form. We have Post Shibuya Yuji somewhat keeping up with Yuta.
I don't know I'm explaining it well. I'll try to explain this later if needed.
Doesn't Yuji get buffed tho? I thought he did

Eitherway the feat in question here really is mechamaru's year charges

Apparently Mahito just tanks the one year charge

Two year charge is said by Kenjaku to be "special grade output" which in the current pages its used as the baseline for special grades sorcerers scaling.

If we do use mahito tanking 1 year charge then basically everyone that scales to Base Mahito would go to Large Town around 235 kilotons while special grades would upscale over the the two year charge, so around 470 kilotons.

Idk about this ngl

You'd also have Small City Shibuya Yuji with Black Flash via the 2.5x multiplier
 
I will say for this, Mahito was straight up just not taking damage from Yuji at 200% and would've killed him had he not landed the black flash. I doubt any regular grade 1 is going to be doing that (I'm assuming you're using that one statement that grade 1s are the minimum required to take out a special grade which could just be for the bare minimums like finger bearers and not guys like the disaster curses)
it's also noted that Dagon, despite being a newborn, needed more than 2 grade 1s to take down
 
Doesn't Yuji get buffed tho? I thought he did

Eitherway the feat in question here really is mechamaru's year charges

Apparently Mahito just tanks the one year charge

Two year charge is said by Kenjaku to be "special grade output" which in the current pages its used as the baseline for special grades sorcerers scaling.

If we do use mahito tanking 1 year charge then basically everyone that scales to Base Mahito would go to Large Town around 235 kilotons while special grades would upscale over the the two year charge, so around 470 kilotons.

Idk about this ngl

You'd also have Small City Shibuya Yuji with Black Flash via the 2.5x multiplier
How would he be small city if he'd be 2.5x 235 kt? Unless I'm missing something wouldn't Shibuya Yuji just scale to base mahito then ISBODK Mahito would be 470?

Also Yuji was noted as getting stronger by Choso even before fully recovering though it's by an unknown amount. I think that it can work but hey that's just me
 
How would he be small city if he'd be 2.5x 235 kt? Unless I'm missing something wouldn't Shibuya Yuji just scale to base mahito then ISBODK Mahito would be 470?
Oops used the wrong value u right

Also Yuji was noted as getting stronger by Choso even before fully recovering though it's by an unknown amount. I think that it can work but hey that's just me
I dont mind the large town upgrade for mahito in itself, its just the statement with the two charge being "special grade output" being kinda eh

I do wonder how the feat would be treated if special grades got another feat tho

Like if special grades randomly got the city - large mountain scaling would mahito then also scale there too bc he tanked 1/2 of a special grade output or...?
 
Oops used the wrong value u right


I dont mind the large town upgrade for mahito in itself, its just the statement with the two charge being "special grade output" being kinda eh

I do wonder how the feat would be treated if special grades got another feat tho

Like if special grades randomly got the city - large mountain scaling would mahito then also scale there too bc he tanked 1/2 of a special grade output or...?
I doubt it. We weren't going to scale them to Uraume's feat even though technically Yuta would've scaled to it off Ryu. Disaster curses just been ignored for most scaling honestly
 
I doubt it. We weren't going to scale them to Uraume's feat even though technically Yuta would've scaled to it off Ryu. Disaster curses just been ignored for most scaling honestly
Fair then, that was my main confusion on the inverse scaling caused by a upgrade like that hapenning cause capping alot of high tiers of the verse at around 200% Mahito's tier in-verse sounded silly

(Tho the reason mahito isnt scaling near the special grade tiers rn is because currently mahito tanking a one year charge is just ignored, pretty sure. Even without the recalc, Base Mahito would be Small Town if the 1 year charge was used for his durability)
 
Fair then, that was my main confusion on the inverse scaling caused by a upgrade like that hapenning cause capping alot of high tiers of the verse at around 200% Mahito's tier in-verse sounded silly

(Tho the reason mahito isnt scaling near the special grade tiers rn is because currently mahito tanking a one year charge is just ignored, pretty sure. Even without the recalc, Base Mahito would be Small Town if the 1 year charge was used for his durability)
Nah realistically it would only cap grade 1s given how Yuji performed against him. Special grades (what I'm assuming you mean by high tiers) would effectively just have him at sort of a base I guess going off the Mechamaru 2 year calc as the baseline
 
Nah realistically it would only cap grade 1s given how Yuji performed against him. Special grades (what I'm assuming you mean by high tiers) would effectively just have him at sort of a base I guess going off the Mechamaru 2 year calc as the baseline
I feel like a lot of people have a hard time imagining the notable disasters (basically ISBDK, Hanami and Jogo) being on that level due to Hanami's performance in GWE and Dagon getting swamped by Toji

but Dagon was a newborn, and hanami took 5 black flashes from a grade 1 level sorcerer and was... fine. Damaged, to an unquantifiable extent, but still fine. She lands 1 hit on Yuji and there's a huge KRRRAACK sound effect with it and next we see his mouth is bleeding pretty badly.

I think people overestimate how much damage Todo and Yuji were doing to Hanami with anything that wasn't a black flash, tbh. It was chip damage at best
 
Why are we treating Disaster Curses the same as normal Special Grade Curses when they are noted to be exceptional amongst even Special Grade Curses, and Naobito explicitly stated it was incredible that Dagon who was a newborn Special Grade was so strong that even 3 Sorcerer's couldn't exorcise it.

They clearly aren't average Special Grade Curse's who Grade 1 Sorcerer's can beat in 1v1's.
 
I feel like a lot of people have a hard time imagining the notable disasters (basically ISBDK, Hanami and Jogo) being on that level due to Hanami's performance in GWE and Dagon getting swamped by Toji

but Dagon was a newborn, and hanami took 5 black flashes from a grade 1 level sorcerer and was... fine. Damaged, to an unquantifiable extent, but still fine. She lands 1 hit on Yuji and there's a huge KRRRAACK sound effect with it and next we see his mouth is bleeding pretty badly.

I think people overestimate how much damage Todo and Yuji were doing to Hanami with anything that wasn't a black flash, tbh. It was chip damage at best
Yeah I think the worst part is Hanami saying that even without black flashes they're still harming them but like, chip damage or something maybe a bit above is still damage. I think them at least downscaling or going off the 1 year charge isn't that insane all things considered.

Even for Dagon the dude was doing stuff like taking virtually no damage from overtime ratio hits and not a lot of damage from the others and the main thing that did a lot of damage prior to Toji, at least from what I remember, was Maki with playful cloud which did similar damage as what Maki did to Hanami with playful cloud
 
Yeah I think the worst part is Hanami saying that even without black flashes they're still harming them but like, chip damage or something maybe a bit above is still damage. I think them at least downscaling or going off the 1 year charge isn't that insane all things considered.
Well if we take Black Flashes as stacking amps on the user (temporarily), then tbf, Yuji would be hitting even harder than before. He lands 4 IIRC so that'd be a

1.2^4 = 2.0736x increase to his stats. So that should probs be considered too if we're gonna use that.
 
Well if we take Black Flashes as stacking amps on the user (temporarily), then tbf, Yuji would be hitting even harder than before. He lands 4 IIRC so that'd be a

1.2^4 = 2.0736x increase to his stats. So that should probs be considered too if we're gonna use that.
Yuji by the time of the "they have the power to hurt me" bit had only hit the first black flash. Though yeah that would probably apply by the end but he only lands like 1-2 hits after that
 
I mentioned calc stuff which I've now talked about with other people, but who wants to talk about stuff like revising the Cursed Energy Manipulation page? Black Flash talk stuff can be covered there too ofc, hence why I mentioned it again. I don't mind either doing a GC here or on cord.
 
In episode 7 of jjk Gojo chants and expands his domain while jogos attack is frozen. Anyone wanna calc that?
Looking at this again, not really sure if it would work cause I think Gojo's just using infinity to keep it frozen. Also between shots Yuji moves from having his guard up to lowering it which probably wouldn't happen if it was frozen so yeah I'm not really sure if this is actually usable.
 
There is nothing indicates Yuta has good reinforcements. It's clearly mentioned by Gojo that Yuta has bad control of his CE?
He does
That's what Ryu noted in their fight

Gojo is tougher on Yuta than on the other students, Kusakabe who has exceptional cursed energy manipulation didn't notice it's bad. It's only bad to Gojo cause he believes Yuta is more blessed than him and should be taking advantage of it

Yuta and Todo has the best CE usage among students (iirc it included CT so I don't know how much that took into account, although there's an argument to be had that the higher up didn't know about his technique because they believed he lost Rika)

Jujustu isn't only reinforcement tho, it includes barrier techniques, Shikigami, CT, CE manipulation, efficiency and the rest
You can be weaker than somebody physically but still win in a fight against them

What that statement means is that taking everything related to jujustu into account, Yuta is second only to gojo
Meaning he would win against any sorcerer not named gojo in the modern era (ignoring special cases like hakari on a roll)
 
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