Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

all roads lead to HH lvl disaster curses

TRUE

I mean they literally get glazed by like 5 different statements putting them around that level but meanwhile they’re still ******* 8-B and subsonic. Slander I say

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Best domain

Notice how you went for domain Like your goat doesn't have zero domain expansion mentions or panels, Wuji still the best heavy hitter and has best hands

Guys is it ok to upgrade maki to town without upgrading naoya?

Supposedly there's a statement that says Maki=Toji Fushiguro right after mai died (Which, sadly, makes sense since she did a whole bunch a parreling to Toji as he could do what she's doing) Arkenis showed it but I have no idea where it is now.
Even still, he'd only reach them at top speed

 

[ElJoaki5]

all roads lead to HH lvl disaster curses

-Sukuna stated that Mahoraga MAY have beat him in 3f
-Jogo is stated stronger than 3f Sukuna
-Jogo is stated about 5 f by gege and even higher by kenjaku
Jogo>Maho>=3 f Sukuna
-Mahoraga was able to deflect a dismantle from 15 f Sukuna without damage while ryu was damaged.
Jogo>Maho>=Ryu
-Toji is stated slightly faster but comparable to 3 f in speed
Jogo>Toji>=3 f Sukuna

(None of this is accurate and meant to be taken seriously)

 

[Mommyleona]

TRUE

I mean they literally get glazed by like 5 different statements putting them around that level but meanwhile they’re still ******* 8-B and subsonic. Slander I say

no current supporter glazer = you're a bum
also it can ruin scaling for top tiers so people just ignore it

 

[ElJoaki5]

You mean Heavenly Restricted Maki right?

Fully awakened Maki

 

[ElJoaki5]

-Sukuna stated that Mahoraga MAY have beat him in 3f
-Jogo is stated stronger than 3f Sukuna
-Jogo is stated about 5 f by gege and even higher by kenjaku
Jogo>Maho>=3 f Sukuna
-Mahoraga was able to deflect a dismantle from 15 f Sukuna without damage while ryu was damaged.
Jogo>Maho>=Ryu
-Toji is stated slightly faster but comparable to 3 f in speed
Jogo>Toji>=3 f Sukuna

(None of this is accurate and meant to be taken seriously)

-Kusakabe is stated to be able to fight alongside special grade sorcerers
-Kusakabe stated that Jogo is like an elephant stepping on ants and he is an ant
Jogo>Special grade sorcerers>=Kusakabe

 

[Mommyleona]

-Sukuna stated that Mahoraga MAY have beat him in 3f
-Jogo is stated stronger than 3f Sukuna
-Jogo is stated about 5 f by gege and even higher by kenjaku
Jogo>Maho>=3 f Sukuna
-Mahoraga was able to deflect a dismantle from 15 f Sukuna without damage while ryu was damaged.
Jogo>Maho>=Ryu
-Toji is stated slightly faster but comparable to 3 f in speed
Jogo>Toji>=3 f Sukuna

(None of this is accurate and meant to be taken seriously)

all accurate just somewhat inconsistent and different interpretation from our current one

 

[ElJoaki5]

all accurate just somewhat inconsistent and different interpretation from our current one

-Kusakabe is stated to be able to fight alongside special grade sorcerers
-Kusakabe stated that Jogo is like an elephant stepping on ants and he is an ant
Jogo>Special grade sorcerers>=Kusakabe

 

[ElJoaki5]

-Kusakabe stops maximum uzumaki
-what i said before about kusakabe being weaker than jogo
Jogo>>Kusakabe=Maximum uzumaki=Heavy hitters

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Jump should make a battle shounen about fishing

 

[ElJoaki5]

Jump should make a battle shounen about fishing

Jump should make a squirrel vs mouse manga and then anime coming outta it and lots of videogames from it. Spinoffs too afterwards and movies and a part 2 and a part 0

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Unironically speaking going through the first few arcs I’m conflicted on scaling cause on the one hand they’re simultaneously treating grade gaps like they’re practically insurmountable and whole tier gaps while at the same time treating them like they’re barely different and can be covered relatively easily

 

[Mommyleona]

Jump should make a battle shounen about fishing

 

[Arkenis]

Below Uraume

u mean top 5, queen of ice?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

no current supporter glazer = you're a bum
also it can ruin scaling for top tiers so people just ignore it

Nah, everyone’s relative fr

-Kusakabe stops maximum uzumaki
-what i said before about kusakabe being weaker than jogo
Jogo>>Kusakabe=Maximum uzumaki=Heavy hitters

Only my Jogoat

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"His fishing skill was so amazing that it's said that he could get a catch even in a desert"

 

[Arkenis]

Unironically speaking going through the first few arcs I’m conflicted on scaling cause on the one hand they’re simultaneously treating grade gaps like they’re practically insurmountable and whole tier gaps while at the same time treating them like they’re barely different and can be covered relatively easily

Well remember Special grade is a wide gap from the lowest to the highest too, so it makes sense the grades are inconsistent of their scale except maybe grade 3 and below.

 

[Ralp0054]

I wanted to ask you about these inconsistencies that are bothering me. Now, how is it that Toji's speed can be equivalent to 3f Sukuna and the same time Maki do something against true form Sukuna?

 

[Saqphire]

All this just for Yuji and Hakari to beat both

Yuji, yes, especially post-awakening. Hakari, yes with environment advantage.

Did you even read what i said?

I did, your quantification demand is faulty reasoning because you're trying to say "the nerf is not that bad so they're still relative" which is headcanon. We know the nerf is significant for each punch Yuji lands because Sukuna literally says so; if it wasn't significant at all then it wouldn't be a major plot point here.

Prove it

Nothing damaged Sukuna there at all for him to be weakened

Yuji punch bud. Also Sukuna says that everyone jumping him nerfs his output

and we do literally see him using RCT when Yuta came about. What state? why are we straight up making hedcanons?

Again, healing, not healed. Meaning Sukuna is unquantifiably above the state he was when fighting Higuruma, but not necessarily in the same state he was when fighting Kashimo, especially when the narrator literally says Sukuna restored his body in a way other than RCT.

He's healing the damage he JUST recieved from Yuta
What other injuries he has exactly?

What damage did Sukuna take? The slash on the hand? Big whoop, that's on a non-serious Sukuna that is flying around (if you're in the air, your mobility decreases).

Ooooh rightttt, go make a crt about that then, because that's literally our current reasoning for scaling everyone above Uraume's ice block, genius. But you would fall flat instantly because you're objectively wrong as always

Appealing to authority aint helping you blud. Just because that's the current reasoning doesn't mean I have to grant it any truth value; you're literally not even granting Kashimo being a speedblitz above everyone who isn't Gojo and Sukuna which is the current reasoning for him, yet I am not using that to say Kashimo blitzes him.

The statement isnt based on anything, and is a narrator statement, which just outright says his output, on general

The two statements about his output are correlative and they have reason to be since Kenjaku is literally the person who sets up the Culling Games; the info the culling games have are from Kenjaku himself (and no, this doesn't mean Kenjaku agrees that Yuta is above Hakari because Hakari didn't join the CG when Yuta did)

and Ryu is literally the guy who has A CLEAR CUT NARRATOR STATEMENT about him having the SAME output regardless of him using his CT or not

Ryu being able to "unleash the same amount of power regardless of him activating his CT or not" is still in reference to Granite Blast as your panel is literally showing lol. If you showed Ryu one-shotting Uro with a punch and the statement THEN arrived, then you'd have a valid point. Also, Ryu himself literally says the blast was weakened so I am actually very dubious of that statement even being true, or if it's a mistranslation.

Also before you say it, Granite Blast is not a cursed technique, it's raw cursed energy being blasted at someone. It wouldn't make sense for it to be one either because Domain Expansions literally disables cursed technique usage unless you're Sukuna (Fuga is a CT). Unless you're saying Ryu has Sukuna-level CE now (thus granting him more CE than Yuta, the guy he was impressed at for having a large quantity of CE in the first place), that point is going nowhere.

nothing in that link is right, Yuta deflects it with his bare hands,
Only burned his hands when he had to push against it point blank for a prolonged amount of time

We don't see his arm until he gets blasted back, only after he took a portion of it from a far away distance (inverse square law type shii), so you cannot assert that Yuta's arm was fine before it.

Ryu had took his own Granite Blast without injuries before that

We literally see him say "it takes a wallop" and see him get bruised by it. Also, again that makes no sense either because Ryu was taken down by a weaker version of that blast. A plausible interpretation of this would be that Ryu jumped back from it, which makes sense why he takes less damage from it

Nice baseless claims

Not really baseless when I can just assert again that Hakari was said to be stronger and Ryu lost to Yuta. Pretty basic chain scaling man.

yeah it does, imagine Kashimo not using his lightning when fighting, would that be not holding back?

False equivalence, because that lightning has a certain condition to be used and not using certain abilities =/= holding back in stats.

LMAOOO dude all that means, is that Yuta is a good guy who might not have not killed them even without that rule

Nice headcanon. Yuta could've also said "maybe" to be smug; we literally don't know what that means and thus that statement is useless.

Looking at your Ryu points... im completely justified in doing so lol

If you say so

Next panel btw bub

being sent flying is keeping up?

And the next few panels of that is Kashimo dodging the attack Sukuna sets up (which a weaker version was capable of one-shotting and bisecting a Yuta that was stronger than the Yuta that fought Ryu). Kashimo didn't even get that harmed from it, just an arm wound and not his entire arm being cut off so yes, I'd say he was keeping up more than Yuta here.

Nah this is genuinely brainrot, how the hell is that irrelevant? Eljo i sure hope you have more sense and atleast dont agree with this

Nerfs = Incapability of asserting that the same thing would happen without the condition Sukuna is in (Yuji punch, no RCT, no domain).

"Off guard" mid fight

You can off-guard someone mid-fight bro. Rika appearing out of nowhere is definitely an off-guard scenario man, unless you can justify that Sukuna knew that Rika would show up in that scenario and that scenario alone.

"destroys her" in physicals she LITERALLY ragdolls that Sukuna in the domain

Again, another off-guard feat I'm actually crine. This Sukuna was literally sent flying by TIB which was also accompanied by Cursed Speech before getting squished together by Rika from behind. Once Sukuna was on-guard he literally cleaved both Yuji and Yuta and disabled her trying to off-guard him a third time lmfao

as a threat for Yuji, it doesnt mean he wont play around with everyone else too

Ah right, Sukuna isnt playing around actuallly

What level of mental gymnastics will Kashimo fans go through is insane

Playing around =/= deliberately keeping anyone alive blud.

yeah, because then Sukuna would feel a threat

Massive headcanon once again. Sukuna was never threatened by Yuta and Rika at all and him being continously weakened in physicals and output yet still one-shotting Yuta later proves that

But he didnt, Kashimo tho? he will lmao, no rct?

Lowkey him healing from WCS is a sneaky RCT feat but even without that. And Yuji only survived because of blood manip/RCT and as Yuji says himself, he woulda been effectively one-shot by him and this is the same Yuji who keeps up with Domain Yuta btw

Yet another baseless headcanon

You saying "he uses X on Kashimo" requires you to scale his speed to be on-par if not above him because that's literally how non-passive techniques work, it's all reliant on speed. You have not done so

Okay, he finds JL and Kashimo dies
He finds CS and Kashimo dies
He finds Shrine and Kashimo dies

It's all random, you can't actually assert that Yuta would find any of them in time and is capable of using them on him before he even does anything. Also, you're presupposing any of them would actually harm him

and Kashimo DOESNT HAVE ONE

He don't need one.

no it isnt, aura scaling headcanon speaking merchant

Again, if you say so

 

[ElJoaki5]

I wanted to ask you about these inconsistencies that are bothering me. Now, how is it that Toji's speed can be equivalent to 3f Sukuna and the same time Maki do something against true form Sukuna?

Toji is faster than 3 f Sukuna. Megumi's statement should not be used to scale them as comparable.

 

[Saqphire]

I wanted to ask you about these inconsistencies that are bothering me. Now, how is it that Toji's speed can be equivalent to 3f Sukuna and the same time Maki do something against true form Sukuna?

Shinjuku Maki isn't equal to Toji, she's faster. Also I believe that to be wrong because Megumi is referring to a significantly nerfed 3F Sukuna who has no heart (without a heart, your speed gets decreased)

 

[Arkenis]

I wanted to ask you about these inconsistencies that are bothering me. Now, how is it that Toji's speed can be equivalent to 3f Sukuna and the same time Maki do something against true form Sukuna?

True form is weak, and probably just 6-7f level.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"His fishing skill was so amazing that it's said that he could get a catch even in a desert"

Like, imagine a whole ass power system around fishing, where you can see different planes to catch even more fish.

 

[Ralp0054]

Shinjuku Maki isn't equal to Toji, she's faster. Also I believe that to be wrong because Megumi is referring to a significantly nerfed 3F Sukuna who has no heart (without a heart, your speed gets decreased)

You might be right about Maki, but Sukuna stated that he doesn't need a heart. I don't think this will weaken him.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Well remember Special grade is a wide gap from the lowest to the highest too, so it makes sense the grades are inconsistent of their scale except maybe grade 3 and below.

I’m not even talking special grade I’m talking just grade 1/2 to special grade kind of. Like sometimes they blitz others but other times (literally same character and same scene) they just don’t. It’s just kind of weird

 

[Mommyleona]

Jump should make a squirrel vs mouse manga and then anime coming outta it and lots of videogames from it. Spinoffs too afterwards and movies and a part 2 and a part 0

My goat Wuji one shotting a fraud squirrel

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Like, imagine a whole ass power system around fishing, where you can see different planes to catch even more fish.

And then, there would be a group about hunters. But thoso who fish hate hunters, despite them being the same thing in a way.

 

[Saqphire]

You might be right about Maki, but Sukuna stated that he doesn't need a heart. I don't think this will weaken him.

That might be true tbf. It's up to interpretation

 

[ElJoaki5]

My goat Wuji one shotting a fraud squirrel

Below average human lvl vs Multi-City block level. Congrats ig

 

[Saqphire]

yo mommy what do you think about kashimo being top 3 of og jjk cause of narrative?

Yuji (awakened) is imo

 

[Arkenis]

I’m not even talking special grade I’m talking just grade 1/2 to special grade kind of. Like sometimes they blitz others but other times (literally same character and same scene) they just don’t. It’s just kind of weird

Yeah I'm using the idea about special grade gap applying to grades overall, there's also Geto implying it too.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

And then, there would be a group about hunters. But thoso who fish hate hunters, despite them being the same thing in a way.

And then the mc would be into some bullshit about fishing the fish of the past, where it only exists in the past, but he can't fish the past since time is like the water in a lake, it only follows in one direction, you can't change it.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Yuji (awakened) is imo

Do you also go by mommy?
Uh I dont think Yuji is narratively that strong until later on. Not one of The Strongest™

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

And then the mc would be into some bullshit about fishing the fish of the past, where it only exists in the past, but he can't fish the past since time is like the water in a lake, it only follows in one direction, you can't change it.

But then he realizes he can catch the fish of the future, and with it he can switch the direction of the timeline, making the fish of the past go to the future, allowing him to catch it

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yeah I'm using the idea about special grade gap applying to grades overall, there's also Geto implying it too.

Yeah but it’s weird. Imma use Hanami as an example cause they go from blitzing two semi-grade 1s and a grade 2 to them being able to somewhat keep up with Hanami to them just straight up landing hits

But then he realizes he can catch the fish of the future, and with it he can switch the direction of the timeline, making the fish of the past go to the future, allowing him to catch it

Break week schizophrenia is hitting

 

[Axxtentacle]

Unironically speaking going through the first few arcs I’m conflicted on scaling cause on the one hand they’re simultaneously treating grade gaps like they’re practically insurmountable and whole tier gaps while at the same time treating them like they’re barely different and can be covered relatively easily

mechamaru drone being semi-1 and panda being semi-2

(this probably comes from the fact that grade differences are not determined purely by stats, but determined via BIQ, CT, AND stats)

 

[Mommyleona]

"the nerf is not that bad so they're still relative" which is headcanon.

no its the opposite actually, your initial premise is based on faulty reasoning and pure headcanon
"sukuna is nerfed so bad they're not relative"
"what? quantify the nerf? prove why he's nerfed? nah bro just accept what i say im Gaygay's pen"

We know the nerf is significant for each punch Yuji lands

We dont actually

because Sukuna literally says so; if it wasn't significant at all then it wouldn't be a major plot point here.

it's not that significant, to the point any and all feats against that Sukuna are suddenly IRRELEVANT and/or make characters not relative
You also dont seem to understand that when Sukuna gets nerfed or pressed, all he has to do is try more
so as he gets more weakened he progressively tries more and holds back less, so his overall performance DOESNT actually get affected as much

also blud, Sukuna at that point only took ONE SINGLE punch from Yuji, for his output to actually start dropping he needed to get pummelled by dozens upon dozens of hits from Yuji AND physical damage from both Yuta and Rika

Yuji punch bud.

ah right, one punch made him go to a whole tier below to the point nothing Yuta does would scale him to Kashimo, nice agenda

Also Sukuna says that everyone jumping him nerfs his output

no he doesnt, i already answered that to Eljo

Again, healing, not healed.

again, HEALED FROM WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????

Meaning Sukuna is unquantifiably above the state he was when fighting Higuruma, but not necessarily in the same state he was when fighting Kashimo

So still relative congratulation buddy

What damage did Sukuna take? The slash on the hand? Big whoop, that's on a non-serious Sukuna that is flying around (if you're in the air, your mobility decreases).

You didnt answer what other injuries he has for him to be nerfed by them LMAO

Appealing to authority aint helping you blud

it's just an accepted fact by everyone with any knowledge on the scaling.... just funny how you're bringing it up in a debate with me instead of making a crt to correct it

you're literally not even granting Kashimo being a speedblitz above everyone who isn't Gojo and Sukuna which is the current reasoning for him, yet I am not using that to say Kashimo blitzes him.

Yeah you are
and it's accepted on faulty reasoning that ignores our standards, i will likely make a crt on it

The two statements about his output are correlative

headcanon

they have reason to be since Kenjaku is literally the person who sets up the Culling Games; the info the culling games have are from Kenjaku himself

Headcanon

Ryu being able to "unleash the same amount of power regardless of him activating his CT or not" is still in reference to Granite Blast as your panel is literally showing lol

I will not reply any further

this is beyond any reason or logic

 

[Mommyleona]

GUYS GUYS actually Ryu does NOT have the highest output and our Uraume scaling is WRONG, because actually highest output only refers to granite blast
@Buraqibear close your thread, @Saqphire has spoken

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hakari arguably has better win cons against Yuta than Yuta having against Hakari.

 

[Arkenis]

We never did a Hakari vs Yuta match yet, if Buraqibear's crt goes through that is probably the first match Ima do then Yuji vs Ryu and Uro might be cool.