A Review of the Strange Swirling Lights Dimension in Dragon Ball

[Azertyhuuh]

Hello everyone. Today I would like to discuss the dimensions of the Strange Swirling Lights in the Dragon Ball movie. I have reviewed the previous discussions on this topic, but they are not accurate, and I would like to correct several important points regarding this battle in this thread.
It has been stated that the Strange Swirling Lights dimension reached by Gogeta and Broly is a super-dimensional realm, which means that the Swirling Lights dimension would be at least 5D, since it was explicitly described as super-dimensional.

Evidence ↓



Additionally, it was clearly stated that this battle surpassed the boundaries of the universe, which led them to reach this realm. What further supports this is that the work itself explicitly described it as a super-dimensional world. Therefore, it would immediately qualify as at least 5D, because the term super-dimensional refers to higher dimensions from 5D and above. The studio also attempted to visually represent a super-dimensional world using CG imagery.

The term used here is explicit: (超次元の), which directly means super-dimensional. This indicates that the world they reached is, at minimum, five-dimensional. The image above illustrates this clearly, and I also have another piece of evidence that I will include below ↓



I believe this is sufficient to upgrade Gogeta and Broly to Low 1-C, and also to upgrade Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Black Frieza, Moro, Granolah, Vegito, Gas, all Gods, Angels, the Grand Priest, and Zeno’s Guards to this level as well, since they are on Broly’s level or significantly stronger than him, especially those mentioned.

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Cipher72]

OP can you explain the correlation between the first and second segment of your proposal. As in how exactly does the Swirling light dimension being 5-D (I will wait for counters to accept that for now I am neutral) relate to Gogeta and Broly having L1-C AP

I believe this is sufficient to upgrade Gogeta and Broly to Low 1-C

All I am hearing is that they broke the boundaries of the universe and reached this supposed 5-D Super-dimension

Additionally, it was clearly stated that this battle surpassed the boundaries of the universe, which led them to reach this realm.

It has been stated that the Strange Swirling Lights dimension reached by Gogeta and Broly is a super-dimensional realm

Nothing here states that they affected said 5-D Super-dimension or that they are capable of destroying it.

 

[JJSliderman]

It’s because material related to the movie noted that the battle between Broly and Gogeta was so intense it shattered the DoSL and returned them to the mortal universe, don’t remember where but I remember it being mentioned somewhere.

 

[Cipher72]

It’s because material related to the movie noted that the battle between Broly and Gogeta was so intense it shattered the DoSL and returned them to the mortal universe, don’t remember where but I remember it being mentioned somewhere.

I see, then OP should update the proposal and add that.

 

[Hecky2222]

Hello everyone. Today I would like to discuss the dimensions of the Strange Swirling Lights in the Dragon Ball movie. I have reviewed the previous discussions on this topic, but they are not accurate, and I would like to correct several important points regarding this battle in this thread.
It has been stated that the Strange Swirling Lights dimension reached by Gogeta and Broly is a super-dimensional realm, which means that the Swirling Lights dimension would be at least 5D, since it was explicitly described as super-dimensional.

Evidence ↓



Additionally, it was clearly stated that this battle surpassed the boundaries of the universe, which led them to reach this realm. What further supports this is that the work itself explicitly described it as a super-dimensional world. Therefore, it would immediately qualify as at least 5D, because the term super-dimensional refers to higher dimensions from 5D and above. The studio also attempted to visually represent a super-dimensional world using CG imagery.

The term used here is explicit: (超次元の), which directly means super-dimensional. This indicates that the world they reached is, at minimum, five-dimensional. The image above illustrates this clearly, and I also have another piece of evidence that I will include below ↓



I believe this is sufficient to upgrade Gogeta and Broly to Low 1-C, and also to upgrade Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Black Frieza, Moro, Granolah, Vegito, Gas, all Gods, Angels, the Grand Priest, and Zeno’s Guards to this level as well, since they are on Broly’s level or significantly stronger than him, especially those mentioned.

I think this would work well as an addition under Attack Potency: Low Complex (the battle between Gogeta and Broly was described as a super-dimensional battle, in which they broke through the limits of the universe and reached the Strange Swirling Lights realm, which is a super-dimensional (5D) world).

This addition would fit well for Gogeta and Broly. As for the others, a similar note could be added in their sections—for example, Goku under Attack Potency: Low Complex (Goku, in True Perfected Ultra Instinct, is capable of defeating Broly and being equal to or superior to Gogeta from the Broly movie; therefore, Goku would also be capable of affecting the Strange Swirling Lights dimension, which is a super-dimensional (5D) world).

OP are you arguing it is 5D because it is stated "super-dimensional"?

I dont get your point untill it isnt explained I am neutral

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Ngl this doesn't look 5D but if you can give more evidence then maybe I'll sway if you're going off of "Super dimensional" then that's just flowery language that has 0 meaning. Also what you posted for "Evidence" is not enough for this, I'm neutral but post more if you want to be convincing. There's so many ways to debunk this and also you need to prove the Japanese is saying what it says

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It’s because material related to the movie noted that the battle between Broly and Gogeta was so intense it shattered the DoSL and returned them to the mortal universe, don’t remember where but I remember it being mentioned somewhere.

Yes, that’s correct

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I see, then OP should update the proposal and add that.

Alright, I will add that.

OP can you explain the correlation between the first and second segment of your proposal. As in how exactly does the Swirling light dimension being 5-D (I will wait for counters to accept that for now I am neutral) relate to Gogeta and Broly having L1-C AP

All I am hearing is that they broke the boundaries of the universe and reached this supposed 5-D Super-dimension



Nothing here states that they affected said 5-D Super-dimension or that they are capable of destroying it.

No, I was only clarifying how to present it under Attack Potency to help with the matter, since all the characters I mentioned will be upgraded to Low 1-C.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Ngl this doesn't look 5D but if you can give more evidence then maybe I'll sway if you're going off of "Super dimensional" then that's just flowery language that has 0 meaning. Also what you posted for "Evidence" is not enough for this, I'm neutral but post more if you want to be convincing. There's so many ways to debunk this and also you need to prove the Japanese is saying what it says

Alright, I will explain the reasons now.
First, the term super-dimensional world refers to a world that transcends the dimensions we all know (the three spatial dimensions plus time). This is exactly what the term super-dimensional implies. This term always points to dimensions of 5D and above, and the Japanese term 超次元の is clear proof of this, as it directly means super-dimensional. I want you to understand that this term is very important; however, it is not sufficient by itself to classify a work as Low 1-C merely by mentioning it without additional context.
That said, in this case, we do indeed have clear context—not just one, but multiple contexts. Among them are statements from the work itself, where they explicitly mentioned their attempt to create visuals representing super-dimensional spaces using very advanced techniques for this super-dimensional world. This was mentioned repeatedly, and there are other contexts as well:
Direct and clear context visible to all viewers: an actual battle taking place inside a super-dimensional world. What is shown directly on screen is undeniable and carries the highest level of credibility.
Statements from the producers themselves about the difficulty of creating visuals for this super-dimensional world (the Strange Swirling Lights dimension). The producers attempted to create imagery that conveys the super-dimensional nature of this realm so that it would stand out as a battle occurring within a super-dimensional world. They used the latest computers to generate visuals for this world in order to impress viewers with its super-dimensional aspects.
We also have context showing that their power surpassed the limits of the universe. In Dragon Ball, the universe has an inherently four-dimensional structure, and this battle exceeded the universe’s limits. The universe was unable to contain their power, which caused them to break beyond its boundaries and reach the super-dimensional Strange Swirling Lights world. This means that the Strange Swirling Lights realm is greater than the universe, and in fact, the entire concept of the scene revolves around this super-dimensional world.
In conclusion, we have clear contexts and on-screen evidence. There are no stronger proofs than these: producer statements, the work itself, the movie, and logical consistency. As I repeat, the term super-dimensional always refers to dimensions of 5D and above, especially since the Dragon Ball universe itself is four-dimensional and could not contain their power. Therefore, describing this world as super-dimensional naturally points to 5D, and this interpretation is supported by multiple contexts, not just a single one.

 

[Hecky2222]

Alright, I will explain the reasons now.
First, the term super-dimensional world refers to a world that transcends the dimensions we all know (the three spatial dimensions plus time). This is exactly what the term super-dimensional implies. This term always points to dimensions of 5D and above, and the Japanese term 超次元の is clear proof of this, as it directly means super-dimensional. I want you to understand that this term is very important; however, it is not sufficient by itself to classify a work as Low 1-C merely by mentioning it without additional context.
That said, in this case, we do indeed have clear context—not just one, but multiple contexts. Among them are statements from the work itself, where they explicitly mentioned their attempt to create visuals representing super-dimensional spaces using very advanced techniques for this super-dimensional world. This was mentioned repeatedly, and there are other contexts as well:
Direct and clear context visible to all viewers: an actual battle taking place inside a super-dimensional world. What is shown directly on screen is undeniable and carries the highest level of credibility.
Statements from the producers themselves about the difficulty of creating visuals for this super-dimensional world (the Strange Swirling Lights dimension). The producers attempted to create imagery that conveys the super-dimensional nature of this realm so that it would stand out as a battle occurring within a super-dimensional world. They used the latest computers to generate visuals for this world in order to impress viewers with its super-dimensional aspects.
We also have context showing that their power surpassed the limits of the universe. In Dragon Ball, the universe has an inherently four-dimensional structure, and this battle exceeded the universe’s limits. The universe was unable to contain their power, which caused them to break beyond its boundaries and reach the super-dimensional Strange Swirling Lights world. This means that the Strange Swirling Lights realm is greater than the universe, and in fact, the entire concept of the scene revolves around this super-dimensional world.
In conclusion, we have clear contexts and on-screen evidence. There are no stronger proofs than these: producer statements, the work itself, the movie, and logical consistency. As I repeat, the term super-dimensional always refers to dimensions of 5D and above, especially since the Dragon Ball universe itself is four-dimensional and could not contain their power. Therefore, describing this world as super-dimensional naturally points to 5D, and this interpretation is supported by multiple contexts, not just a single one.

Association fallacy wont help you to upscale super-dimensions. Unless you want to explain why this structure fits under VSBW's Low 1C I still stay neutral

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Alright, I will explain the reasons now.
First, the term super-dimensional world refers to a world that transcends the dimensions we all know (the three spatial dimensions plus time). This is exactly what the term super-dimensional implies. This term always points to dimensions of 5D and above, and the Japanese term 超次元の is clear proof of this, as it directly means super-dimensional. I want you to understand that this term is very important; however, it is not sufficient by itself to classify a work as Low 1-C merely by mentioning it without additional context.
That said, in this case, we do indeed have clear context—not just one, but multiple contexts.

And for this.. prove that Japanese word always means 5D and above? You haven't sent anything for that and prove the context we have is 5D , this argument was already done once or twice and it's gotten debunked for insufficient evidence.. you need to bring more evidence proving it's 5D and above as I've said in the other paragraphs

Among them are statements from the work itself, where they explicitly mentioned their attempt to create visuals representing super-dimensional spaces using very advanced techniques for this super-dimensional world. This was mentioned repeatedly, and there are other contexts as well:
Direct and clear context visible to all viewers: an actual battle taking place inside a super-dimensional world. What is shown directly on screen is undeniable and carries the highest level of credibility.
Statements from the producers themselves about the difficulty of creating visuals for this super-dimensional world (the Strange Swirling Lights dimension). The producers attempted to create imagery that conveys the super-dimensional nature of this realm so that it would stand out as a battle occurring within a super-dimensional world. They used the latest computers to generate visuals for this world in order to impress viewers with its super-dimensional aspects.
We also have context showing that their power surpassed the limits of the universe. In Dragon Ball, the universe has an inherently four-dimensional structure, and this battle exceeded the universe’s limits. The universe was unable to contain their power, which caused them to break beyond its boundaries and reach the super-dimensional Strange Swirling Lights world. This means that the Strange Swirling Lights realm is greater than the universe, and in fact, the entire concept of the scene revolves around this super-dimensional world.

And it's your JOB to prove that, you haven't proven or added anything within the borders of context for that and words won't help you, send scans, what you have is little and doesn't mean a whole lot

In conclusion, we have clear contexts and on-screen evidence. There are no stronger proofs than these: producer statements, the work itself, the movie, and logical consistency.

See.. this doesn't matter because the burden of proof is on you and your evidence is lacking. You need to provide more cause this isn't convincing.. and I've stated before, I could easily debunk this (like I am now). You have insufficient evidence that proves nothing,

As I repeat, the term super-dimensional always refers to dimensions of 5D and above, especially since the Dragon Ball universe itself is four-dimensional and could not contain their power. Therefore, describing this world as super-dimensional naturally points to 5D, and this interpretation is supported by multiple contexts, not just a single one.

Ok so first off, I'm going to explain (In layman terms so prepare for the complexity) Super dimensional doesn't always refer to 5D and above, you need proof that's the case and also it's a fallacy, anything can be super dimensional, even 4D can be super dimensional. Also it wouldn't mean anything as what you are saying. "They have shattered reality" you need to prove it's universal or above in space time too, so for added context What you're implying rn is their punches broke something that's 5D (Wank) anyways, you need to prove it's 5D, and you need to prove they scale to it cause this is a repeat of Buu breaking the hyperbolic time chamber which didn't scale him anywhere.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

And for this.. prove that Japanese word always means 5D and above? You haven't sent anything for that and prove the context we have is 5D , this argument was already done once or twice and it's gotten debunked for insufficient evidence.. you need to bring more evidence proving it's 5D and above as I've said in the other paragraphs

And it's your JOB to prove that, you haven't proven or added anything within the borders of context for that and words won't help you, send scans, what you have is little and doesn't mean a whole lot

See.. this doesn't matter because the burden of proof is on you and your evidence is lacking. You need to provide more cause this isn't convincing.. and I've stated before, I could easily debunk this (like I am now). You have insufficient evidence that proves nothing,

Ok so first off, I'm going to explain (In layman terms so prepare for the complexity) Super dimensional doesn't always refer to 5D and above, you need proof that's the case and also it's a fallacy, anything can be super dimensional, even 4D can be super dimensional. Also it wouldn't mean anything as what you are saying. "They have shattered reality" you need to prove it's universal or above in space time too, so for added context What you're implying rn is their punches broke something that's 5D (Wank) anyways, you need to prove it's 5D, and you need to prove they scale to it cause this is a repeat of Buu breaking the hyperbolic time chamber which didn't scale him anywhere.

Alright, this link here explains that the term superdimensional is used for dimensions that go beyond the three spatial dimensions plus time, extending to five-dimensional space and above. This term is used exclusively for dimensions that exceed the three spatial dimensions along with the time dimension ↓

Five-dimensional space - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Secondly, even if this evidence were not sufficient, I will now move directly into more logical contextual arguments.

the DBS: Super Broly movie, Gogeta and Broly enter a higher dimension called the Dimension of Swirling Lights (DoSl) because of the colliding energy between Gogeta's Kamehameha and Broly's Gigantic Omegastorm. Space and time "shattered" because the boundaries of the dimensions could not withstand such power.



This dimension was entered by breaching the limits of the universe, tearing dimensional walls apart, then "disintegrating" the dimension to leave it. Their power was stated to be too much for the universe to handle. Accessed by distorting space and time
DoSl is also stated to be higher, hyper, and superdimensional and superdimensional in the novels and official interviews. Normally, this means 4D+, however we know that the Universe 7 macrocosm is a minimum 4D+. So for DoSl to be a HIGHER dimension, it means it's 5D minimum.

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I believe that, in this way, I have proven everything.

 

[BoastJr]

Citing wikipedia pages to support your claim is wild work

Especially when that term is very vague and has 0 worth by itself

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Citing wikipedia pages to support your claim is wild work

Especially when that term is very vague and has 0 worth by itself

Why is it not logical? Doesn’t this forum itself cite Wikipedia as a source? Or do you want proof of that? Simply go through most explanations on profile pages about abilities, and even in the tier system Wikipedia is cited for many things, especially in High 1-A+ levels and above. Therefore, this comment of yours does not change anything at all. Moreover, the image you attached in your comment, my friend, proves that you are someone who dislikes the Dragon Ball franchise.
Also, I mentioned other points after that—sorry, my argument was not based solely on Wikipedia. I supported my statement with additional evidence in my reply, so your comment does not matter in any way.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

We cited Wikipedia as the source for the explanation. like universals and such

We don't use Wikipedia to explain what happens in Fiction as if all those things magically apply just because they mentioned string theory or buddhism etc.

my friend, proves that you are someone who dislikes the Dragon Ball franchise.

You would be surprised to know who boast is


Do you have scans or evidence to prove that the super-dimensional space is infinite or universal in size?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Alright, this link here explains that the term superdimensional is used for dimensions that go beyond the three spatial dimensions plus time, extending to five-dimensional space and above. This term is used exclusively for dimensions that exceed the three spatial dimensions along with the time dimension ↓

Five-dimensional space - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't prove much and this doesn't even begin to prove with what you're complying.

Secondly, even if this evidence were not sufficient, I will now move directly into more logical contextual arguments.

the DBS: Super Broly movie, Gogeta and Broly enter a higher dimension called the Dimension of Swirling Lights (DoSl) because of the

Why is it not logical? Doesn’t this forum itself cite Wikipedia as a source? Or do you want proof of that? Simply go through most explanations on profile pages about abilities, and even in the tier system Wikipedia is cited for many things, especially in High 1-A+ levels and above. Therefore, this comment of yours does not change anything at all. Moreover, the image you attached in your comment, my friend, proves that you are someone who dislikes the Dragon Ball franchise.
Also, I mentioned other points after that—sorry, my argument was not based solely on Wikipedia. I supported my statement with additional evidence in my reply, so your comment does not matter in any way.

colliding energy between Gogeta's Kamehameha and Broly's Gigantic Omegastorm. Space and time "shattered" because the boundaries of the dimensions could not withstand such power.



This dimension was entered by breaching the limits of the universe, tearing dimensional walls apart, then "disintegrating" the dimension to leave it. Their power was stated to be too much for the universe to handle. Accessed by distorting space and time
DoSl is also stated to be higher, hyper, and superdimensional and superdimensional in the novels and official interviews. Normally, this means 4D+, however we know that the Universe 7 macrocosm is a minimum 4D+. So for DoSl to be a HIGHER dimension, it means it's 5D minimum.

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I believe that, in this way, I have proven everything.

You've still proven nothing.. this doesn't mean anything and also, you haven't even proven if the size is universal or more, the burden of proof is still on you to prove that. Not too mention..

Association fallacy wont help you to upscale super-dimensions. Unless you want to explain why this structure fits under VSBW's Low 1C I still stay neutral

You ignored this comment.
And also if we treated every reality breaking punch the same then every verse would have grounds for L1C, that's another fallacy in itself. Your whole argument so far is "I think this size is universal I have these vague texts and statements" and not too mention, dragon ball super still has lots of Hyperbole, you're taking vague statements that can be considered Hyperbole as truth. You need to prove that they aren't Hyperbole and they did actually happen, you need to prove that the space time they broke is as big as a universe if not bigger. So far you've proven nothing and this still is not enough proof for.

Moreover, the image you attached in your comment, my friend, proves that you are someone who dislikes the Dragon Ball franchise.

And ngl. How do you know if he does or doesn't like the franchise? Just because of the comment and picture? That's not a smart comment to make, making baseless assumptions isn't the right thing to do

 

[Azertyhuuh]

We cited Wikipedia as the source for the explanation. like universals and such

We don't use Wikipedia to explain what happens in Fiction as if all those things magically apply just because they mentioned string theory or buddhism etc.

You would be surprised to know who boast is


Do you have scans or evidence to prove that the super-dimensional space is infinite or universal in size?

Was my reply based on only a single piece of evidence from Wikipedia?
No, that is not correct. I clearly stated in the same reply that this was not everything, and then I proceeded to provide additional context through which I demonstrated that the dimension Gogeta and Broly reached is five-dimensional. You can read my full response before replying to it.

As for your point about whether this dimension is infinite in size or universal in scale, this does not change anything regarding the point I am addressing. I am not trying to prove the size of the dimension, but rather its dimensional nature. I do not see how size (whether finite or infinite) is relevant to the number of dimensions.
Something can be large or small, but as long as it belongs to the same dimensional category, this does not elevate its qualitative nature—it remains the same thing, only in greater quantity. To clarify what I mean:

Let us assume we have a one-dimensional length (1D), for example 20 cm or any other finite length. It is still 1D.
Now, if we assume that this length is infinite, does it suddenly become two-dimensional (2D)? Of course not—it remains one-dimensional. Even if you were to add an infinite number of one-dimensional lengths, that would not change their fundamental nature.

Likewise, suppose we have a three-dimensional object. Does it become four-dimensional simply because its volume is infinite? Or even if we combine an infinite number of three-dimensional objects, would that change their dimensional nature? Clearly, it would not.
In fact, any three-dimensional object, regardless of its size, contains within it an uncountably infinite number of two-dimensional and one-dimensional subsets.

Therefore, your question regarding size or infinity is irrelevant to the topic and does not alter the conclusion in any way. The core point is that this dimension is five-dimensional, and I have already demonstrated this through multiple lines of context, not relying on Wikipedia alone. Whether this dimension is finite or infinite in size has no impact on its dimensional classification.

Finally, any five-dimensional object—whether small or finite—contains within it an uncountably infinite number of four-dimensional, three-dimensional, and lower-dimensional structures. These are basic principles when discussing dimensions, which is why the objection raised does not affect my conclusion in any way.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

As for your point about whether this dimension is infinite in size or universal in scale, this does not change anything regarding the point I am addressing. I am not trying to prove the size of the dimension, but rather its dimensional nature.

It is a requirement for said dimension to be of a significant size, which is either universal or infinite in size in 5D (not just 4D or 3D), to qualify for a rating

Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

Just so you know. Being 2-C to 2-A means you can affect an insignificant size of 5D Axis, which separates these timelines/universes. But we still don't grant low 1-C
hence the requirement for proof that the Axis and dimension to be infinite or universal in size in their level/nature

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Doesn't prove much and this doesn't even begin to prove with what you're complying.



You've still proven nothing.. this doesn't mean anything and also, you haven't even proven if the size is universal or more, the burden of proof is still on you to prove that. Not too mention..

You ignored this comment.
And also if we treated every reality breaking punch the same then every verse would have grounds for L1C, that's another fallacy in itself. Your whole argument so far is "I think this size is universal I have these vague texts and statements" and not too mention, dragon ball super still has lots of Hyperbole, you're taking vague statements that can be considered Hyperbole as truth. You need to prove that they aren't Hyperbole and they did actually happen, you need to prove that the space time they broke is as big as a universe if not bigger. So far you've proven nothing and this still is not enough proof for.



And ngl. How do you know if he does or doesn't like the franchise? Just because of the comment and picture? That's not a smart comment to make, making baseless assumptions isn't the right thing to do

No, it seems that you did not understand what I meant at all and are replying in a rather random manner. Nevertheless, I will address the first point only, which is the scale of the impact, as well as your claim that I said the Low 1-C upgrade was based solely on “the power of punches,” which is completely incorrect. You may review my previous statements if you wish, but I will now clarify everything directly.
First, it was clearly stated that the battle surpassed the limits of the entire universe, and this alone demonstrates that the spacetime being destroyed was universal in scale. As additional support, we already know that the clash between Beerus and Goku (God form) was stated to be capable of erasing the entire universe, and that occurred when Goku had only just attained the God transformation for the first time.
When comparing that version of Goku to Goku in the Broly movie, the difference in power is extremely large—especially when we consider the clash between Broly in his Wrathful state and Gogeta. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that this collision affected the entirety of the universe’s spacetime. After that spacetime was destroyed, they entered a higher realm: a superdimensional, five-dimensional realm that transcends both the universe and its spacetime.
The reasoning is straightforward: Universe 7 in Dragon Ball has a four-dimensional structure, and it was unable to withstand the power of Gogeta and Broly. This inability resulted in the breaching of its limits and their entry into this superdimensional realm. Since this realm transcends a four-dimensional universe, it cannot itself be four-dimensional; rather, it must be at least five-dimensional.
Regarding your statement about how I determined whether the person likes the series or not, this point is irrelevant to the core of the discussion. The act of posting that image carries an obvious implication, and many people would reasonably reach the same conclusion I did. From my perspective, that image serves as supporting evidence for my claim.
Whether or not you personally consider it evidence does not invalidate it—that is merely your personal opinion. I consider it evidence supporting my argument, and your personal view cannot be imposed on me. Therefore, it would be better to remain focused on the main topic rather than diverging from it.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

No, it seems that you did not understand what I meant at all and are replying in a rather random manner. Nevertheless, I will address the first point only, which is the scale of the impact, as well as your claim that I said the Low 1-C upgrade was based solely on “the power of punches,” which is completely incorrect. You may review my previous statements if you wish, but I will now clarify everything directly

I understood completely what you said, you're just repeating what I said the first time (Assumption fallacy)

First, it was clearly stated that the battle surpassed the limits of the entire universe, and this alone demonstrates that the spacetime being destroyed was universal in

Ok, now proof? You still have not given any for this. Statements very vague statements with Hyperbole cool, again prove they're not Hyperbole.

scale. As additional support, we already know that the clash between Beerus and Goku (God form) was stated to be capable of erasing the entire universe, and that occurred when Goku had only just attained the God transformation for the first time.

"Stated" so a statement with little proof, also can be considered vague and via a shared feat with Goku neutralising the blast too a point
Vague
You need to prove that this isn't Hyperbole for battle of god's > and you also need to prove that it's not overtime.

Because like Overtime Buu feat
This didn't happen instantly ^ and you can say for example X and Y are fighting and both have the power to destroy the universe, but it's not instant. No it would be overtime or however long the fight lasts. You're using vague statements with little context, also how are you so sure it's 5D and not just Infinite 4D? Or 2A? "Reality shattering punches" ok cool, now prove they were affecting the whole 5D axis, prove their punches were above infinite 4D.

When comparing that version of Goku to Goku in the Broly movie, the difference in power is extremely large—especially when we consider the clash between Broly in his Wrathful state and Gogeta. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that this collision affected the entirety of the universe’s spacetime. After that spacetime was destroyed, they entered a higher realm: a superdimensional, five-dimensional realm that transcends both the universe and its spacetime.
The reasoning is straightforward: Universe 7 in Dragon Ball has a four-dimensional structure, and it was unable to withstand the power of Gogeta and Broly. This inability resulted in the breaching of its limits and their entry into this superdimensional realm. Since this realm transcends a four-dimensional universe, it cannot itself be four-dimensional; rather, it must be at least five-dimensional.
Regarding your statement about how I determined whether the person likes the series or not, this point is irrelevant to the core of the discussion. The act of posting that image carries an obvious implication, and many people would reasonably reach the same conclusion I did. From my perspective, that image serves as supporting evidence for my claim.
Whether or not you personally consider it evidence does not invalidate it-

And yes it does invalidate it, because it can't be used. You're using fallacious evidence and ignoring the works of dragon ball and you actually need to prove it's 5D , I mean send more evidence cause you're still lacking evidence for that and what you sent can be considered mass Hyperbole. Yk dragon ball is quite well known for that, it's either Hyperbole or vague statements or it's words with 0 context being used to upscale when it's not even that. Or it's non canon words or panels being used to also upscale the verse. And you need to prove that too, which you haven't done.

that is merely your personal opinion. I consider it evidence supporting my argument, and your personal view cannot be imposed on me. Therefore, it would be better to remain focused on the main topic rather than diverging from it.

And to this.. this is all on topic

 

[Hecky2222]

No, it seems that you did not understand what I meant at all and are replying in a rather random manner. Nevertheless, I will address the first point only, which is the scale of the impact, as well as your claim that I said the Low 1-C upgrade was based solely on “the power of punches,” which is completely incorrect. You may review my previous statements if you wish, but I will now clarify everything directly.
First, it was clearly stated that the battle surpassed the limits of the entire universe, and this alone demonstrates that the spacetime being destroyed was universal in scale. As additional support, we already know that the clash between Beerus and Goku (God form) was stated to be capable of erasing the entire universe, and that occurred when Goku had only just attained the God transformation for the first time.
When comparing that version of Goku to Goku in the Broly movie, the difference in power is extremely large—especially when we consider the clash between Broly in his Wrathful state and Gogeta. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that this collision affected the entirety of the universe’s spacetime. After that spacetime was destroyed, they entered a higher realm: a superdimensional, five-dimensional realm that transcends both the universe and its spacetime.
The reasoning is straightforward: Universe 7 in Dragon Ball has a four-dimensional structure, and it was unable to withstand the power of Gogeta and Broly. This inability resulted in the breaching of its limits and their entry into this superdimensional realm. Since this realm transcends a four-dimensional universe, it cannot itself be four-dimensional; rather, it must be at least five-dimensional.
Regarding your statement about how I determined whether the person likes the series or not, this point is irrelevant to the core of the discussion. The act of posting that image carries an obvious implication, and many people would reasonably reach the same conclusion I did. From my perspective, that image serves as supporting evidence for my claim.
Whether or not you personally consider it evidence does not invalidate it—that is merely your personal opinion. I consider it evidence supporting my argument, and your personal view cannot be imposed on me. Therefore, it would be better to remain focused on the main topic rather than diverging from it.

I think TheGreatJedi13 explained properly about Tier Low 1C requirements

I would recommend you checking out Tiering System Q/A since this wiki itself doesn't treat "super-dimension" statement as blatant temporal dimension you have to prove how it qualifies for this tiering system.

This is like saying verse is High 1A+ because of "All Possible Worlds" statement just

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I think TheGreatJedi13 explained properly about Tier Low 1C requirements

I would recommend you checking out Tiering System Q/A since this wiki itself doesn't treat "super-dimension" statement as blatant temporal dimension you have to prove how it qualifies for this tiering system.

This is like saying verse is High 1A+ because of "All Possible Worlds" statement just

Can you respond to my points instead of these empty comments? Are you trying to teach me the tiering system?

I have provided my explanation, statements, and clear evidence, and I will wait for the moderators’ opinion on this matter. As for your words or anyone else’s without evidence, they are incomplete. So far, you haven’t supported anything you said with proof, and unfortunately, you ignored what I stated.

The problem is that you cannot respond to someone without reading everything they said. It’s not right to accuse someone of something before fully reading their statements. Up to now, all you have done is give random, meaningless responses without addressing any point I made.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I understood completely what you said, you're just repeating what I said the first time (Assumption fallacy)


Ok, now proof? You still have not given any for this. Statements very vague statements with Hyperbole cool, again prove they're not Hyperbole.

"Stated" so a statement with little proof, also can be considered vague and via a shared feat with Goku neutralising the blast too a point
Vague
You need to prove that this isn't Hyperbole for battle of god's > and you also need to prove that it's not overtime.

Because like Overtime Buu feat
This didn't happen instantly ^ and you can say for example X and Y are fighting and both have the power to destroy the universe, but it's not instant. No it would be overtime or however long the fight lasts. You're using vague statements with little context, also how are you so sure it's 5D and not just Infinite 4D? Or 2A? "Reality shattering punches" ok cool, now prove they were affecting the whole 5D axis, prove their punches were above infinite 4D.

And yes it does invalidate it, because it can't be used. You're using fallacious evidence and ignoring the works of dragon ball and you actually need to prove it's 5D , I mean send more evidence cause you're still lacking evidence for that and what you sent can be considered mass Hyperbole. Yk dragon ball is quite well known for that, it's either Hyperbole or vague statements or it's words with 0 context being used to upscale when it's not even that. Or it's non canon words or panels being used to also upscale the verse. And you need to prove that too, which you haven't done.

And to this.. this is all on topic

Exaggeration? Have you even watched the work?
In the work itself, it was clearly stated that the clash of Goku and Beerus’ attacks would destroy the entire universe and erase its existence. This was explicitly mentioned by Whis and the Grand Kaioshin. It was also mentioned that if the clash had continued for a few more hits, the entire universe would have been destroyed. This is not my personal assumption; it is explicitly stated in the work and has been previously accepted in this forum in official threads discussing this matter. Therefore, there is no issue here, especially since it has been accepted beforehand.

Regarding your claim of exaggeration, you are trying to dismiss every argument I present simply by calling it “exaggeration,” without providing any counter-evidence. This is a logical fallacy; repeating “exaggeration” does not constitute a valid refutation of any argument. On the contrary, it suggests that you do not have actual evidence to disprove my points. I am here for a serious discussion, not to exchange superficial comments.

As for the impact itself, yes, Gogeta and Broly indeed destroyed the dimension they reached, which is a five-dimensional (5D) space, and I have provided clear evidence for this in previous replies.
Regarding it being five-dimensional, this has already been proven. Universe 7 in Dragon Ball is inherently four-dimensional, and it was stated that this universe could not handle the power of Gogeta and Broly, which forced them to surpass its limits entirely. It is illogical to claim they did not affect spacetime at the universal scale. Gogeta and Broly are currently at level 2-C, so they are capable of this and even more.

Finally, if you are asking for evidence again, all the evidence you are requesting has already been provided in previous replies. Repeating your request without engaging with the evidence changes nothing. I have clearly shown that this is a hyper-dimensional space and provided more than three independent pieces of evidence, including direct scenes from the work itself, as well as the clip. Therefore, you cannot claim that I have not provided evidence.

In conclusion, since Universe 7 is four-dimensional, the hyper-dimensional space they reached is necessarily at least five-dimensional. Even if we ignore the term itself, the combination of evidence and the overall context of the work clearly supports this conclusion. I will therefore wait for the moderators’ opinion and discuss the matter with them directly.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Exaggeration? Have you even watched the work?
In the work itself, it was clearly stated that the clash of Goku and Beerus’ attacks would destroy the entire universe and erase its existence.

So this is a anime only thing, in which contradicts the manga yk the original source
Edit: the things we saw is a anime, and that whole thing we saw doesn't happen. So anime is just added more

This was explicitly mentioned by Whis and the Grand Kaioshin. It was also mentioned that if the clash had continued for a few more hits, the entire universe would have been destroyed. This is not my personal assumption; it is explicitly stated in the work and has been previously accepted in this forum in official threads discussing this matter. Therefore, there is no issue here, especially since it has been accepted beforehand.

There were issues which is why it's not accepted. You're using anime statements for the Manga? Ok then Goku is L1C for hurting infinite Zamasu anime counterpart (your claim) which is debunked and it's shown and even treated that anime and manga are separate canon which debunks this whole point entirely.

Regarding your claim of exaggeration, you are trying to dismiss every argument I present simply by calling it “exaggeration,” without providing any counter-evidence. This is a logical fallacy; repeating “exaggeration” does not constitute a valid refutation of any argument. On the contrary, it suggests that you do not have actual evidence to disprove my points. I am here for a serious discussion, not to exchange superficial comments.

"Superficial" no statements 0 proof. My evidence is more concrete that yours. You stated and shown NONE. 0 no evidence , it's a fallacy. Baseless assumptions and statements.

As for the impact itself, yes, Gogeta and Broly indeed destroyed the dimension they reached, which is a five-dimensional (5D) space, and I have provided clear evidence for this in previous replies.

No you did not, you sent evidence that proves nothing, as I said before if we treated every punch like that then every VERSE would be L1C, in which I said it's a FALLACY to do that ,

Regarding it being five-dimensional, this has already been proven. Universe 7 in Dragon Ball is inherently four-dimensional, and it was stated that this universe could not handle the power of Gogeta and Broly, which forced them to surpass its limits entirely. It is illogical to claim they did not affect spacetime at the universal scale. Gogeta and Broly are currently at level 2-C, so they are capable of this and even more.

Low multi , ok cool this would upscale them to 2A at max and that'd debatable. You need to prove they're capable of affecting the whole frame of the 5D structure , you haven't gave any proof of that.

Finally, if you are asking for evidence again, all the evidence you are requesting has already been provided in previous replies. Repeating your request without engaging with the evidence changes nothing. I have clearly shown that this is a hyper-dimensional space and provided more than three independent pieces of evidence, including direct scenes from the work itself, as well as the clip. Therefore, you cannot claim that I have not provided evidence.

The evidence you provided lacks proof, and can not be used for this,

In conclusion, since Universe 7 is four-dimensional, the hyper-dimensional space they reached is necessarily at least five-dimensional. Even if we ignore the term itself, the combination of evidence and the overall context of the work clearly supports this conclusion. I will therefore wait for the moderators’ opinion and discuss the matter with them directly.

So they reached it but didn't fully affect it? So 2A. Debunking the L1C entirely off this. You haven't gave 1 single amount of proof that they both affected the whole structure and back to Anime and manga? No one in the manga scales to the counterparts of anime entirely, so that debunks the whole L1C for manga. Also I've given enough proof to prove why it's kinda dumb. You gave proof with full of Hyperbole , yes it happened that they broke said reality and entered a higher space. Ok they don't scale to that. You need to prove that both Goku and vegeta can do that by themselves which you also haven't done, neither of the two should scale to their fusions. Otherwise vegito wouldn't have been needed in Future trunks saga or buu saga.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

So this is a anime only thing, in which contradicts the manga yk the original source

Yes, the anime contradicts the manga, that’s true. However, the anime is official, and on this forum, anime characters are classified separately from manga characters. The anime is also a reliable source. Are you denying what happened in the anime? I’ve never seen anything like that before, and your words won’t change anything, my friend.

There were issues which is why it's not accepted. You're using anime statements for the Manga? Ok then Goku is L1C for hurting infinite Zamasu anime counterpart (your claim) which is debunked and it's shown and even treated that anime and manga are separate canon which debunks this whole point entirely.

Wait, what the hell? The anime and manga are different, yes, but when have I ever used anime lines to interpret the manga??? Really strange. The anime and manga are not completely different, and everyone knows that. Also, everything I mentioned to you about the anime is from the anime itself. Goku is 2-C in the anime as well, and that is acceptable. I’ll even give you proof that this is from the anime too:

"Superficial" no statements 0 proof. My evidence is more concrete that yours. You stated and shown NONE. 0 no evidence , it's a fallacy. Baseless assumptions and statements.

I’ve seen everything except your evidence. Where is it? Until now, you haven’t refuted anything or provided any proof. Claiming that everything should be raised to Low 1-C… that’s really laughable

No you did not, you sent evidence that proves nothing, as I said before if we treated every punch like that then every VERSE would be L1C, in which I said it's a FALLACY to do that ,

First, what did I tell you? Don’t you understand? I said that after Gogeta and Broly reached this five-dimensional space, they fought inside it, and then they destroyed that dimension. Honestly, I don’t understand what punches have to do with destroying something. This is also the evidence: even the five-dimensional space they entered could not withstand their power and was destroyed:

Low multi , ok cool this would upscale them to 2A at max and that'd debatable. You need to prove they're capable of affecting the whole frame of the 5D structure , you haven't gave any proof of that.

Yes, same thing—I provided the evidence above. They destroyed that entire dimension, which couldn’t even handle their power. This gives it full destructive effect. No, it’s not just an “effect,” it’s actual destruction:

The evidence you provided lacks proof, and can not be used for this,

No, the evidence is clear, and I’ve repeated it for you in this reply.

So they reached it but didn't fully affect it? So 2A. Debunking the L1C entirely off this. You haven't gave 1 single amount of proof that they both affected the whole structure and back to Anime and manga? No one in the manga scales to the counterparts of anime entirely, so that debunks the whole L1C for manga. Also I've given enough proof to prove why it's kinda dumb. You gave proof with full of Hyperbole , yes it happened that they broke said reality and entered a higher space. Ok they don't scale to that. You need to prove that both Goku and vegeta can do that by themselves which you also haven't done, neither of the two should scale to their fusions. Otherwise vegito wouldn't have been needed in Future trunks saga or buu saga.

Yes, I already provided proof that they destroyed it. I don’t understand why you keep repeating “manga” and “anime” over and over when this happened in a movie, not in the anime or manga at all. I guess you didn’t know that in the first place.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Yes, the anime contradicts the manga, that’s true. However, the anime is official, and on this forum, anime characters are classified separately from manga characters. The anime is also a reliable source. Are you denying what happened in the anime? I’ve never seen anything like that before, and your words won’t change anything, my friend.

"anime-original" so it's more reliable than the manga itself? I think not. The Manga is and will always be more reliable. You need to provide proof that the anime holds more credibility compared to the manga.

Wait, what the hell? The anime and manga are different, yes, but when have I ever used anime lines to interpret the manga??? Really strange. The anime and manga are not completely different, and everyone knows that. Also, everything I mentioned to you about the anime is from the anime itself. Goku is 2-C in the anime as well, and that is acceptable. I’ll even give you proof that this is from the anime too:

"Gogeta and Broly to Low 1-C, and also to upgrade Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Black Frieza, Moro, Granolah, Vegito, Gas, all Gods, Angels, the Grand Priest, and Zeno’s Guards to this level as well, since they are on Broly’s level or significantly stronger than him, especially those mentioned." So this ain't your argument?? Go back and re-read it.
Using anime lines. Upscaling every1 to a feat that they didn't cause have no part in

I’ve seen everything except your evidence. Where is it? Until now, you haven’t refuted anything or provided any proof. Claiming that everything should be raised to Low 1-C… that’s really laughable

My proof was that it happened overtime, as those links. Which gave enough proof, did you even bother to check? Ok actually, you need to prove those punches that were neutralising. Would have happened instantly, cause it's treated as overtime or yk the longer the fight goes on overtime can literally mean anything. Laughable? You sending barely any evidence as proof is laughable, those scans showing that destruction mean nothing, that dimension shattering feat also doesn't have much grounds to stand. Cause guess what.. oh boy other animes have characters that done that too. Where there upscale? Wait nowhere cause there wasn't enough proof for the upscaling.

First, what did I tell you? Don’t you understand? I said that after Gogeta and Broly reached this five-dimensional space, they fought inside it, and then they destroyed that dimension. Honestly, I don’t understand what punches have to do with destroying something. This is also the evidence: even the five-dimensional space they entered could not withstand their power and was destroyed:

These "PUNCHES" is how they were able to break said space and shatter that reality. They didn't do that by themselves, they demonstrated the power with their FP punches.
Ok so cool that they shattered reality once entering the dimension and shattering it a second time going back, that doesn't scale, they didn't affect the whole 5D space as that whole space. They merely affected a small by-product of that space, you know that doesn't even scale you really anywhere unless there's actual proof or enough context they can demonstrate the power on a larger axis to do it again and what do we not see ? That power and that was a one time thing. Why didn't Goku shatter reality when fighting moro?< Edit did he not demonstrate said power??

Yes, same thing—I provided the evidence above. They destroyed that entire dimension, which couldn’t even handle their power. This gives it full destructive effect. No, it’s not just an “effect,” it’s actual destruction:

Also doesn't mean anything ^ this happens in a majority of anime and guess what.. they haven't gotten upscaled based from that

No, the evidence is clear, and I’ve repeated it for you in this reply.

Yes, I already provided proof that they destroyed it. I don’t understand why you keep repeating “manga” and “anime” over and over when this happened in a movie, not in the anime or manga at all. I guess you didn’t know that in the first place.

"5 Dimensional space" is literally not enough, You get 2A for affecting the axis and L1C for fully affecting the whole frame and axis , which you failed to provide. You're not providing any proof that what they're affecting is the whole frame of the 5D space, "Their powers was intense & too much for the Universe to handle which is why they were able to shatter the reality." Means literally nothing, because once again if that was the case then every anime would be upscaled to L1C based on that. Which is not enough. Not enough for L1C.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't care much about this thread but saying super-dimensional is flowery language is crazy, while we don't rate thing like super-dimensional, hyperspace cause that term is varies between verses, saying them is flowery is absolute crazy

Also for the super-dimensional Kanji, it was never the term used to describe 4D, not only DB, but across all JP fiction, saying super-dimensional referring to 4D space-time is also a bad argument, it don't get rated cause we need context, doesn't mean it by default is 4D, because 4D is considered normal dimension, super-dimension mean a dimension of greater scales than normal dimension, thought greater in what way we need to see the contexts

Anyway, it being 5D or not isn't much of a concern, for Low 1-C, 5D is a thing, one need to prove that the space is significant in size, either universe-sized or infinite to get Low 1-C, same with how simply affecting space-time don't get you Low 2-C, it need to be universe-sized

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I don't care much about this thread but saying super-dimensional is flowery language is crazy, while we don't rate thing like super-dimensional, hyperspace cause that term is varies between verses, saying them is flowery is absolute crazy

Also for the super-dimensional Kanji, it was never the term used to describe 4D, not only DB, but across all JP fiction, saying super-dimensional referring to 4D space-time is also a bad argument, it don't get rated cause we need context, doesn't mean it by default is 4D, because 4D is considered normal dimension, super-dimension mean a dimension of greater scales than normal dimension, thought greater in what way we need to see the contexts

Anyway, it being 5D or not isn't much of a concern, for Low 1-C, 5D is a thing, one need to prove that the space is significant in size, either universe-sized or infinite to get Low 1-C, same with how simply affecting space-time don't get you Low 2-C, it need to be universe-sized

I am fully aware that terms such as superdimensional are not, by themselves, considered conclusive evidence without additional supporting context, and I did not base my argument solely on such terminology. I understand that these words alone, without context, are insufficient to justify any classification.

At this point, we are already in agreement that the dimension in question is five-dimensional. The only remaining point is determining whether its size is at least universal.

This can, in fact, be inferred directly from the scene itself. The dimension is depicted as a space-like environment with no visible gravity and no observable boundaries, strongly resembling an open cosmic space. From what is shown, there are no visible limits in any direction. The fight within it is entirely unrestricted, with Gogeta and Broly moving and accelerating freely at speeds far exceeding the speed of light without encountering any constraints.

When examining the background more closely, we can observe extremely distant luminous structures that continue to extend as Gogeta and Broly move through the dimension. As they approach these distant lights, the structures themselves shift and change at immense speeds, indicating that they are not merely static visuals but part of the physical structure of the dimension itself. No definitive spatial boundaries are ever shown, either visually or through movement, which makes it unreasonable to assume that this dimension is spatially limited.

Based on this, the most conservative conclusion is that the dimension is at least universal in size, and it may very well be far larger, potentially even unbounded. Given the nature of the scene, the vast spatial extension, and the behavior of the luminous structures within it, it is illogical to assume that the dimension is smaller than universal in scale.

The scene itself provides clear visual and contextual evidence regarding the nature and scale of this dimension. Considering its physical structure and how it is portrayed, there is no indication that it is finite or confined. On the contrary, the available evidence strongly supports the conclusion that it is, at minimum, universal in size.

Therefore, based on what is explicitly shown in the work itself, the evidence supports the claim that this dimension is not a limited space, but rather a vast expanse with no observable boundaries, which justifies treating it as universal in scale at the very least.

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[SuperNova55555]

I mean it just really bugs me how destroying this dimension sends you back to the real world, cuz intuitively that’s just not how bulks work.

If the feat is then to be understood as them merely breaking the wall between dimensions (like what they did to enter it in the first place), then sure…? But that just means the feat itself never affected the whole dimension so it doesn’t qualify for Low 1-C of of that

 

[Hecky2222]

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At this point, we are already in agreement that the dimension in question is five-dimensional. The only remaining point is determining whether its size is at least universal.
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Based on this, the most conservative conclusion is that the dimension is at least universal in size, and it may very well be far larger, potentially even unbounded. Given the nature of the scene, the vast spatial extension, and the behavior of the luminous structures within it, it is illogical to assume that the dimension is smaller than universal in scale.

Bro

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I kind of agree with her being 5D, because Gogeta and Broly had to distort the space-time and break dimensional walls to enter this dimension, and it is said that the battle transcends space-time, and also confirmed by DOKKAN BATTLE being a extra-dimensional space

Of course, all this evidence is worthless if there is no defined size for the Universe or infinity, something we do not have at present, but it could very well be 5D.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I mean it just really bugs me how destroying this dimension sends you back to the real world, cuz intuitively that’s just not how bulks work.

If the feat is then to be understood as them merely breaking the wall between dimensions (like what they did to enter it in the first place), then sure…? But that just means the feat itself never affected the whole dimension so it doesn’t qualify for Low 1-C of of that

No, what actually happened is that the fifth-dimensional space itself could not withstand the power of Gogeta and Broly, and as a result, this entire dimension was destroyed. Their return to the original world does not change this fact and is not relevant here, as we are dealing with a fictional work. Such details are usually only used to advance the plot and do not affect the conclusion, and this should be taken into account.

Currently, the focus of the discussion is the size of this fifth-dimensional space only, and I have already addressed this point specifically in my discussion with Vietthai96.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I kind of agree with her being 5D, because Gogeta and Broly had to distort the space-time and break dimensional walls to enter this dimension, and it is said that the battle transcends space-time, and also confirmed by DOKKAN BATTLE being a extra-dimensional space

Of course, all this evidence is worthless if there is no defined size for the Universe or infinity, something we do not have at present, but it could very well be 5D.

Alright, we are now all in agreement that the dimension is five-dimensional. Currently, we are discussing only the size of this dimension, and I have already responded to Vietthai96 regarding its size. You can refer back to that response, which I believe provides very clear and sufficient evidence.

If anyone still disagrees after this clear evidence, it is their responsibility to prove that the dimension is limited, because all the scenes and information indicate that it has no clear boundaries, and due to its physical nature, it might even be larger than a single universe.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Their return to the original world does not change this fact and is not relevant here, as we are dealing with a fictional work. Such details are usually only used to advance the plot and do not affect the conclusion, and this should be taken into account.

We rate things as they correspond to an already established system; a system, mind you, which itself uses real physics and metaphysics as a guiding framework.

If Dragon Ball produces a dimension that contains properties contrary to the standards established on the wiki, why should it be given the same worth and consideration as those who actually don’t and are accurate?

No, what actually happened is that the fifth-dimensional space itself could not withstand the power of Gogeta and Broly, and as a result, this entire dimension was destroyed.

The only way 5-dimensional can be meaningfully assumed here is if it is to say that the DoSL here is the higher-dimensional space in which the real universe is embedded into. It would also go hand-in-hand with the explanation that they entered it because the lower dimension couldn’t contain their strength.

Now, can it be explained to me how destroying the higher-dimension also doesn’t implicate the lower in this case? If you claim the universe isn’t embedded into DoSL, then you’re essentially proposing a parallel dimension, but at that point, the only proof left for 5D is merely the wording of “super-dimensional” and not any actual fact about the space itself.

 

[BoastJr]

Using Dokkan is wild bro

This can, in fact, be inferred directly from the scene itself. The dimension is depicted as a space-like environment with no visible gravity and no observable boundaries, strongly resembling an open cosmic space. From what is shown, there are no visible limits in any direction. The fight within it is entirely unrestricted, with Gogeta and Broly moving and accelerating freely at speeds far exceeding the speed of light without encountering any constraints.

Nothing states its infinite in size and using vague visual representation is faulty

When examining the background more closely, we can observe extremely distant luminous structures that continue to extend as Gogeta and Broly move through the dimension. As they approach these distant lights, the structures themselves shift and change at immense speeds, indicating that they are not merely static visuals but part of the physical structure of the dimension itself. No definitive spatial boundaries are ever shown, either visually or through movement, which makes it unreasonable to assume that this dimension is spatially limited.

You need to prove its infinite in size via any statements. Just because we cannot see the edge ≠ it stretches on endlessly

The scene itself provides clear visual and contextual evidence regarding the nature and scale of this dimension.

No it doesn't

Considering its physical structure and how it is portrayed, there is no indication that it is finite or confined. On the contrary, the available evidence strongly supports the conclusion that it is, at minimum, universal in size.

Thats crazy

 

[BoastJr]

I kind of agree with her being 5D, because Gogeta and Broly had to distort the space-time and break dimensional walls to enter this dimension, and it is said that the battle transcends space-time, and also confirmed by DOKKAN BATTLE being a extra-dimensional space

Using Dokkan Battle is Crazy

 

[Azertyhuuh]

We rate things as they correspond to an already established system; a system, mind you, which itself uses real physics and metaphysics as a guiding framework.

If Dragon Ball produces a dimension that contains properties contrary to the standards established on the wiki, why should it be given the same worth and consideration as those who actually don’t and are accurate?


The only way 5-dimensional can be meaningfully assumed here is if it is to say that the DoSL here is the higher-dimensional space in which the real universe is embedded into. It would also go hand-in-hand with the explanation that they entered it because the lower dimension couldn’t contain their strength.

Now, can it be explained to me how destroying the higher-dimension also doesn’t implicate the lower in this case? If you claim the universe isn’t embedded into DoSL, then you’re essentially proposing a parallel dimension, but at that point, the only proof left for 5D is merely the wording of “super-dimensional” and not any actual fact about the space itself.

First, are you discussing whether it is five-dimensional? This issue has already been resolved and proven through multiple contexts, so you should review the entire topic. We are currently discussing the size of this dimension only.

No one relied solely on the term "superdimensional"; there are clear statements indicating that their power exceeded space-time, and the universe itself is four-dimensional. Therefore, this superdimensional space is five-dimensional. This has already been explained, and that discussion has been concluded. Now, our focus is solely on its size.

 

[SuperNova55555]

First, are you discussing whether it is five-dimensional? This issue has already been resolved and proven through multiple contexts, so you should review the entire topic. We are currently discussing the size of this dimension only.

How does this implicate me? What you have arbitrarily concluded from this conversation means nothing to me.

No one relied solely on the term "superdimensional"; there are clear statements indicating that their power exceeded space-time, and the universe itself is four-dimensional. Therefore, this superdimensional space is five-dimensional. This has already been explained, and that discussion has been concluded. Now, our focus is solely on its size.

I see a statement above that says that their power was so great it broke space and lead to the other dimension. This does not imply your conclusion

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Using Dokkan is wild bro



Nothing states its infinite in size and using vague visual representation is faulty

You need to prove its infinite in size via any statements. Just because we cannot see the edge ≠ it stretches on endlessly

No it doesn't

Thats crazy

Proving that it’s infinite by any possible means? First, it’s enough to prove that its size is at least cosmic, and I have already done that. It’s not necessary for it to be infinite as you claim. My previous reply clearly demonstrated that its size is cosmic, and even more than that, supported by evidence. Your comment is pointless as long as you give random responses without understanding, and try to assume that my argument isn’t evidence, which remains just your personal opinion.

 

[ThienDe01]

I'm neutral.
The term "superdimensional" does indeed often appear in works to indicate that the cosmology of that work must be 5D or higher. But if it's just a claim without any substance, perhaps it should be reconsidered. I once saw a work that claimed their cosmology was 11D but lacked substance, so it was debunked down to 4D.