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It: Welcome to Derry Discussion Thread

LordVader30 said:
Just that much? The guy looks like an octopus made of pickles—I wasn’t sure how accurate a description it would be, so that’s why I wrote it like that.
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Yeah the head seems accurate to what her father's corpse looked like, pretty much. Big P added the tentacles.
 
LordVader30 said:
I have tried to gather as much information as possible about It's feats and statements. It may be a bit rushed, but I will share them because I believe these are things that should be discussed here.

It creates a family and strikes Matty at his weakest point, because Matty is a child who has problems with his family. Then It creates a mutant baby and kills Matty. This is probably not a very significant feat, but I wanted to include it since it is still one of It’s accomplishments.

It completely takes control of the cinema, even altering the footage, and kills three children. This seems like some form of technological manipulation, and possibly dimensional manipulation as well, since it transitions from a 2D image into the 3D real world. This could imply that it has the ability to alter or shift its own dimensional state.

It makes Ronnie appear as if he is in a mother’s womb—actually not just as if, it truly does this. I’m having trouble defining it, and I’m not sure what this would practically grant or imply as an ability.

By completely controlling Lilly’s perception, it alters how the supermarket appears to her, ultimately causing her to even smash a jar of pickles. I think this qualifies as illusion creation, because when the illusion ends, we see people looking at Lilly as if she were insane.

According to General’s view, It can generate fear strong enough to kill a person instantly.

It can teleport instantaneously and assume a form far larger than its original one.

I think Pennywise’s fear manipulation is far stronger than normal. Dick, who can read Hanlon’s mind, says that Hanlon is not afraid. However, when Pennywise identifies Hanlon’s weak point and threatens him using Will, we see Hanlon act in a way that is clearly different from his usual behavior, driven by fear or intense anger.

It uses text manipulation or something similar, because the children first take the photos, we see that It’s ghostly forms appear in them, but later those images are erased.

It turns Marge’s eyes into worm-like eyes and causes her unbearable pain. I think this counts as disease manipulation, because a few scenes earlier in class they show that worms’ eyes become like that due to a disease.

It came to Earth inside a star and is an evil spirit.

It takes control of Hanlon’s mind and unlocks the “chest” where he keeps his fears. I think this chest is metaphorical—what Dick calls a chest is simply the place in his mind where he suppresses his fears. By breaking this chest, It bypasses Dick’s mental defenses, which suggests a much stronger form of mind manipulation, or possibly additional abilities beyond normal mental influence. These are also more statements

It shows Lilly an illusion and, in a way that’s hard to describe, appears to her as her father. I couldn’t find the full scene on YouTube, but if you’ve watched the series, I’m sure you’ll understand what I mean.

Pennywise walks through the flames, so I think he has resistance to fire. I couldn’t find the full scene on YouTube, sorry about that.

Here, we see Pennywise manipulating spirits and setting them upon Dick. I think these can be defined as the dead or as spirits. I haven’t thought about which hax should be assigned, but I’m at least certain that it counts as soul manipulation.

Pennywise calls Will on the phone and then suddenly appears right behind him.

Pennywise creates a massive storm that grows over time and also takes control of the minds of all 9th and 10th grade students.

After all of this, let me move on to the part that excites me the most. As you know, in Pennywise’s conversation with Marge, it states that yesterday, today, and tomorrow—meaning the future, the past, and the present—are essentially meaningless. This can be described as acausality, which would be correct to an extent, but there is more to it. In an official statement published on HBO Max’s YouTube account, it is said that Pennywise’s true form, the Deadlight, reveals far more than human comprehension can grasp. The Deadlight is described as an interdimensional entity. Based on all of these statements, I believe that the Deadlight—It’s true form—would be 4D, that is, L2-C ( all links are provided here )

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote was done in a rush. I did not even think about what these feats or statements would scale to; I simply wrote down whatever came to mind at the moment. At the very least, I wanted to include them here because I believe these feats should be noted.
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Very good!! It also shows Pennywise shattering the cemetery.
 
LordVader30 said:
I have tried to gather as much information as possible about It's feats and statements. It may be a bit rushed, but I will share them because I believe these are things that should be discussed here.

It creates a family and strikes Matty at his weakest point, because Matty is a child who has problems with his family. Then It creates a mutant baby and kills Matty. This is probably not a very significant feat, but I wanted to include it since it is still one of It’s accomplishments.

It completely takes control of the cinema, even altering the footage, and kills three children. This seems like some form of technological manipulation, and possibly dimensional manipulation as well, since it transitions from a 2D image into the 3D real world. This could imply that it has the ability to alter or shift its own dimensional state.

It makes Ronnie appear as if he is in a mother’s womb—actually not just as if, it truly does this. I’m having trouble defining it, and I’m not sure what this would practically grant or imply as an ability.

By completely controlling Lilly’s perception, it alters how the supermarket appears to her, ultimately causing her to even smash a jar of pickles. I think this qualifies as illusion creation, because when the illusion ends, we see people looking at Lilly as if she were insane.

According to General’s view, It can generate fear strong enough to kill a person instantly.

It can teleport instantaneously and assume a form far larger than its original one.

I think Pennywise’s fear manipulation is far stronger than normal. Dick, who can read Hanlon’s mind, says that Hanlon is not afraid. However, when Pennywise identifies Hanlon’s weak point and threatens him using Will, we see Hanlon act in a way that is clearly different from his usual behavior, driven by fear or intense anger.

It uses text manipulation or something similar, because the children first take the photos, we see that It’s ghostly forms appear in them, but later those images are erased.

It turns Marge’s eyes into worm-like eyes and causes her unbearable pain. I think this counts as disease manipulation, because a few scenes earlier in class they show that worms’ eyes become like that due to a disease.

It came to Earth inside a star and is an evil spirit.

It takes control of Hanlon’s mind and unlocks the “chest” where he keeps his fears. I think this chest is metaphorical—what Dick calls a chest is simply the place in his mind where he suppresses his fears. By breaking this chest, It bypasses Dick’s mental defenses, which suggests a much stronger form of mind manipulation, or possibly additional abilities beyond normal mental influence. These are also more statements

It shows Lilly an illusion and, in a way that’s hard to describe, appears to her as her father. I couldn’t find the full scene on YouTube, but if you’ve watched the series, I’m sure you’ll understand what I mean.

Pennywise walks through the flames, so I think he has resistance to fire. I couldn’t find the full scene on YouTube, sorry about that.

Here, we see Pennywise manipulating spirits and setting them upon Dick. I think these can be defined as the dead or as spirits. I haven’t thought about which hax should be assigned, but I’m at least certain that it counts as soul manipulation.

Pennywise calls Will on the phone and then suddenly appears right behind him.

Pennywise creates a massive storm that grows over time and also takes control of the minds of all 9th and 10th grade students.

After all of this, let me move on to the part that excites me the most. As you know, in Pennywise’s conversation with Marge, it states that yesterday, today, and tomorrow—meaning the future, the past, and the present—are essentially meaningless. This can be described as acausality, which would be correct to an extent, but there is more to it. In an official statement published on HBO Max’s YouTube account, it is said that Pennywise’s true form, the Deadlight, reveals far more than human comprehension can grasp. The Deadlight is described as an interdimensional entity. Based on all of these statements, I believe that the Deadlight—It’s true form—would be 4D, that is, L2-C ( all links are provided here )

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote was done in a rush. I did not even think about what these feats or statements would scale to; I simply wrote down whatever came to mind at the moment. At the very least, I wanted to include them here because I believe these feats should be noted.
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Awesome! Like several have said already, some of this already applies to powers he already has like the womb thing seems to be a combo of illusions and perception manipulation. But I see a lot of new stuff too. I think he should get a limited form of Death Manipulation alongside his Fear Manipulation, it might also be layered because Leroy can't feel fear because of his brain damage but I'm not sure about that. Also Weather Manipulation. The information about the deadlights is a great find, I will look through the HBO Max Stuff later, but that's a good indication about their nature. Should definitely grant some form of Acausality, and Type 9 Immortality. Should also give Abstract Existence, I think. As for Low 2-C/4-D I'll comment on it later.
 


I’m still confused so what exactly is happening and how does this time stuff work ?
 
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The producers or employees who are claiming this is time travel seem to be making a somewhat inaccurate statement, so let's trust what we've heard from Pennywise and proceed with that information. Pennywise's explanation and time travel are two different things.
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Then why do they keep saying it’s time travel and he’s going backwards
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Because he's not experiencing time linearly, he's a higher-dimensional entity stepping into 3-Dimensional space through a 3-Dimensional avatar, thus all of time is happening to him at once. His body doesnt move through time but his consciousness does.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Because he's not experiencing time linearly, he's a higher-dimensional entity stepping into 3-Dimensional space through a 3-Dimensional avatar, thus all of time is happening to him at once. His body doesnt move through time but his consciousness does.
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so is that why they said he’s omnipresent?
 
Ralp0054 said:
The producers or employees who are claiming this is time travel seem to be making a somewhat inaccurate statement, so let's trust what we've heard from Pennywise and proceed with that information. Pennywise's explanation and time travel are two different things.
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darkphantom9805 said:
Then why do they keep saying it’s time travel and he’s going backwards
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I think Weekly said it best, it seems to be like a non standard form of mental time travel, because driven by his non-linear state. Also, I just want to say, while I don’t think it’s the most precise way of saying it, you have to remember a lot of this is for a general audience, so time travel is a good shorthand explainer.
 
How strong would pennywise be ? would it be

Pennywise > Overlook Hotel > Spirits > rose > other Shining users
 
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Pennywise should also have residence to some sort of status effect inducement, as he was completely unaffected by the effects of taking three Valium pills as Matty, which causes effects like drowsiness/sleepiness, problems with coordination, slurred speech, confusion, and blurred/double vision which we all saw took effect on the other kids.
 
interesting director says that they want to make a super cut of the films which will include the part of the book where bill gets sent across the macroverse along with the turtle

He also mentions that the deadlights can pull you into the macroverse



They also said IT is rewriting history and that he could appear in parts of the timeline he isn’t supposed to be awake along with appearing after his death in the timeline meaning season 2 or 3 ends up with IT winning
 
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So from what I know and read this thread
Pennywise Avatar will get immortality type 9, resistance to fire manipulation, and other broken hax as well as getting his AP Upscale via creating a massive storm which cover all derry town.

While his true form is 2-C due to existing outside linear time and exist as non linear being viewing the past, present and future simultaneously as well as existing beyond human comprehension making it higher dimensional being as well as having immeasurable speed, dimensional travel, acausality and etc...

Am I right?
 
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Sharlenii said:
So from what I know and read this thread
Pennywise Avatar will get immortality type 9, resistance to fire manipulation, and other broken hax as well as getting his AP Upscale via creating a massive storm which cover all derry town.

While his true form is 2-C due to existing outside linear time and exist as non linear being viewing the past, present and future simultaneously as well as existing beyond human comprehension making it higher dimensional being as well as having immeasurable speed, dimensional travel, acausality and etc...

Am I right?
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you are right, but that could be Low 2-C
 
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