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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Yo gang what is the Hollow Purple imaginary mass ftl arg and whats the debunk to it? 🧐
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Yo gang what is the Hollow Purple imaginary mass ftl arg and whats the debunk to it? 🧐
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imag mass is tachyons and they ftl. Kanji is virtual mass not imag, vm being just purple as add mass. I explain here

Something that's been discussed among the JJK community is the translation for Gojo's Imaginary Mass and Yuki's Virtual Mass, we are shown that yes, the two are the same in Japanese so we should go with how its in Japanese. The theoretical concept "Imaginary Mass" should be dropped entirely as Gege isn't referring to it, nor does Purple really act like it. Instead let's frame Purple how Gege likely wanted it to be.

Virtual Mass
Virtual Mass can be described as "added mass", not added mass in the sense that a rock is added or a mountain or some object, it's mass that is dependent on everything Purple may interact with in its way, accelerating it (the object not Purple). This is why when we see Purple fired, it doesn't erase or annihilate matter like so many believe, it instead sends everything flying as its pushing all the other stuff out of its way to occupy the space. For reference we can see it sending things flying out of its way; 1, 2. Though one instance where many would believe its erasing matter, the Toji example, what's happening is Purple is accelerating the air and part of Toji's body so fast that it gouges right through Toji and beyond him, destroying everything in a cylindrical shape as Purple is a sphere itself. And we can look at the wording to hopefully help recontextualize Purple; "an imaginary mass rushes forth", Purple is not this imaginary (virtual) mass, Purple is the catalyst for it, what's rushing forth is the "added mass". I didn't really understand for a bit and I probably still don't lol, but this video should show you in a easier way what Purple is roughly doing, although at a much lesser extent. To put into Purple's context, imagine the board as Toji and the water as air, Purple is the chopstick accelerating Toji and the water to push it out of its way. And against Sukuna, at a higher extent, we start to see its limit or at least resistance; like with the smaller board (in video) Purple can't shoot through the building as easy as it did against Toji as the board (building) isn't big enough for the 200% Purple to poke straight through.

"But what about Yuki?" She's doing the same thing, she's imbued herself and Garuda with the very physics of Virtual Mass. This is why she's able to hit so hard and why Ganesha can't target her, because her effective mass is too great in a semantical and pragmatical sense to be contained. This also doesn't necessarily speak to how much effective mass Yuki has as we don't know the limit of Ganesha's ability. Here is a video of what Yuki is doing.
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Didn't find it that much funny when reading this but after seeing this gif lmao.
 
Rereading JJK from the start to map out all the worthwhile feats/statements for a scaling blog and I'm like 20 chapters in and Megumi's managed to take down one or two curses (literally the ones in the first chapter) and gotten his ass handed to him 4 times. A decent amount of my current notes are just talking about different characters basically no-diffing Megumi. That's basically his contribution to scaling in the first arc
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Rereading JJK from the start to map out all the worthwhile feats/statements for a scaling blog and I'm like 20 chapters in and Megumi's managed to take down one or two curses (literally the ones in the first chapter) and gotten his ass handed to him 4 times. A decent amount of my current notes are just talking about different characters basically no-diffing Megumi. That's basically his contribution to scaling in the first arc
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Megumi is lowk cold tho
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Megumi is lowk cold tho
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He has good moments I was just surprised rereading it how many times he actually just straight up gets his ass beat in the first arc compared to what he actually does. I think we see him bleeding from his forehead and in the same "out of it" pose with that like 3 times
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Rereading JJK from the start to map out all the worthwhile feats/statements for a scaling blog and I'm like 20 chapters in and Megumi's managed to take down one or two curses (literally the ones in the first chapter) and gotten his ass handed to him 4 times. A decent amount of my current notes are just talking about different characters basically no-diffing Megumi
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I was rereading JJK back then too. And talking about Megumi, I think I found a possible feat for his durability?

In chapter 2, we see that Gojo can put Itadori to sleep with one finger

In chapter 58, Gojo pressed his finger against Megumi's forehead, which made it bleed but he could still remain conscious and awake

So I guess Pre-Shibuya Megumi > Itadori (no cursed energy)
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
I was rereading JJK back then too. And talking about Megumi, I think I found a possible feat for his durability?

In chapter 2, we see that Gojo can put Itadori to sleep with one finger

In chapter 58, Gojo pressed his finger against Megumi's forehead, which made it bleed but he could still remain conscious and awake

So I guess Pre-Shibuya Megumi > Itadori (no cursed energy)
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Maybe but kind of dubious cause Gojo may have been trying to put Yuji to sleep but not doing so for Megumi. He'd have better feats for durability than that anyways. Hell even though he got his ass beat he still took hits from a grade 2 curse and Yuji is already grade 2 without CE and he also got injured by that curse so they're around the same

Also screw Sukuna finger scaling we got Gojo finger scaling now apparently
 
Axxtentacle said:
what in the world does IT have to do with yuji at the end of shibuya
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Awakening/unlocking the one Sukuna finger he had in him at birth which Sukuna thinks strengthened him as a vessel. Don't entirely agree with it considering Kenjaku's statement is kind of talking about how those individuals with cursed objects are stronger cause they're now hosting sorcerers and Sukuna was talking about how it strengthened him before CG but yeah
 
Axxtentacle said:
what in the world does IT have to do with yuji at the end of shibuya
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Awakening/unlocking the one Sukuna finger he had in him at birth which Sukuna thinks strengthened him as a vessel. Don't entirely agree with it considering Kenjaku's statement is kind of talking about how those individuals with cursed objects are stronger cause they're now hosting sorcerers and Sukuna was talking about how it strengthened him before CG but yeah
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He goes from like Grade 2 level without CE to boxing with Grade 1 Higuruma after Kenny uses Idle Transfiguration on a mass scale and unseals all the dormant cursed objects. including the one inside of Yuji. Something happened there
 
I mean, Itadori could have just got stronger overtime. It's not as if the insane stuff that he did across the arcs affected only his cursed energy
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
He goes from like Grade 2 level without CE to boxing with Grade 1 Higuruma after Kenny uses Idle Transfiguration on a mass scale and unseals all the dormant cursed objects. including the one inside of Yuji. Something happened there
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Yuji also could just get physically stronger lmao, Megumi didn't become superhuman due to Sukuna going into his body. Those people were made superhuman FOR the objects, the release of the objects is not what did that.

Yuji at the beginning of the series, 1-2 months away from when he fights a grade 1, fights off a grade 2 curse, then after getting stronger is stated to be stronger than Maki (somebody who fights a grade 1 sorcerer) with just his physical strength. Megumi even says he got stronger while he was "dead".

This belief can only come from believing Yuji can't physically get stronger just through simple physical effort, but there's no reason to believe this.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
I mean, Itadori could have just got stronger overtime. It's not as if the insane stuff that he did across the arcs affected only his cursed energy
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Axxtentacle said:
Yuji also could just get physically stronger lmao, Megumi didn't become superhuman due to Sukuna going into his body. Those people were made superhuman FOR the objects, the release of the objects is not what did that.

Yuji at the beginning of the series, 1-2 months away from when he fights a grade 1, fights off a grade 2 curse, then after getting stronger is stated to be stronger than Maki (somebody who fights a grade 1 sorcerer) with just his physical strength. Megumi even says he got stronger while he was "dead".

This belief can only come from believing Yuji can't physically get stronger just through simple physical effort, but there's no reason to believe this.
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True, but between those two periods in time besides Kenjaku's mass IT, Yuji's progression is always CE related and never suggested to extend to his stats without CE
 
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