Peterdenman156
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Should Quincy be considered capable of Reiryoku-based Power Nullification, as described in Bleach’s Soul Physiology, or not?
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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They are already, its in the base Soul Physiology everything in Bleach has it.
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It was actually Fullbring Arc Ichigo he was referring to in the manga when saying he ‘regained the elevated power used to defeat Sosuke Aizen’, with the Death Saves the Strawberry novel and Ginjo’s scaling in CFYOW supporting this, but people ain’t ready for that conversation. Though as a few people mentioned, that line isn’t in the updated canon TYBW
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That would mean yamamoto is on par with Dangai ichigo and the soul king, and that is absurd.
If fullbring ichigo is on par with dangai ichigo.
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Not only him, but you would also run into contradictions, such as Squad Zero being far above fifth-fusion Aizen.
That would defeat the purpose of the entire arc. Not to mention that the same novel actually states that the Hōgyoku makes you a Soul King–tier character. If you follow that logic, you would end up with Squad Zero and Fullbring Ichigo being massively above the Soul King, since they would scale far above Aizen, which would also make Ichigo’s training to be strong enough to holds the world as the Soul King completely worthless.
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Ginjo in CFYOW was Grimmjow level. His Getsuga Tenshou, enhanced only by emotions, is said to be as strong as Ichigo's strongest Getsuga Tenshou, which I think is an outlier. Otherwise, the fact that this attack couldn't kill Tokinada would have increased Tokinada's durability to Yhwach level, but no, he admitted he'd take a single hit from Urahara's Kido.
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Honestly I think that "Ichigo's strongest Getsuga Tensho" is referring to Fullbring Bankai Ichigo whom Ginjo himself fought and has experienced.
As its much more consistent with scaling with Tokinada deflecting it. And that should upgrade him too to that Tier.
As its much more consistent with scaling with Tokinada deflecting it. And that should upgrade him too to that Tier.
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Ichigo used GT in Shin Shikai against Soul King Yhwach. Ginjo was at the royal palace. How else would they had know his sword was broken and needed fix? They saw that fight. Ginjo is called Soul King candidate. Occam Razor.
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The getsuga tensho doesn't hit tokinada, he dodged it.
And he wasn't grimjoww level, the two never fought.
Tokinada based off this attack calls ginjo soul king candidate worthy. So that's not it.
Did he deflect it? I remember he evaded the attack and the attack destroys a mountain far away.
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I think he is talking about base Ginjo.
The problem is that hybrids and Hollow's transformation can be very much exponential amps in Bleach, especially if they train.
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I am 99.9999999999% certain he deflected it.
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Should scale somewhat above Uruyu and obviously upscales the like of Watch & Ichigo.
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I do not think so. He just upscales from Sklaverei Blut Uryu. Just depends on if he needs Blut or not, probably doesn't.
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But wouldn't the claim that Geremmy is the strongest Quincy (correct me if it's false) affect him and Zaraki?
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He deflect it using the stored energy in his copy of Hisagomaru (Hanataro's shikai) and even then, he barely change it's course enough to not get hit.
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Yes there are statements like that but I am personally of the belief that it's wrong there are also statements of Jugram being called the strongest enemy in history which would contradict the statement unless it's purely in refrence to Ichigo & his friends.
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Yo guys, i have a question.
since we saw Yhwach in the Primordial sea, shouldn’t we change his age to something like
before and after „rebirth“ or whatever he did?
since we saw Yhwach in the Primordial sea, shouldn’t we change his age to something like
before and after „rebirth“ or whatever he did?
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He was referring to TS ichigo clearly since he verbatim said he used that power to cut down reio which means his current power. The ginjo stuff is contradicting imo.
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I don't think he's bound by aging since yhwach says the primordial sea was a enternal world
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Yeah but him not aging wouldn’t change the fact that he had a previous life. Well we might just wait for cour 4 for more information about the primordial sea. But i think we should change that in the future since he most likely got reincarnated into the current bleach universe
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I'm just talking about yhwach when he was in the primordial sea which is stated to be eternal. For current yhwach we don't know how old he is or when he was born. He doesn't technically age either his age stays the same if he eats enough souls. If he doesn't eat souls he becomes a baby again
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Even still, a Getsuga Tensho that is literally transcendent in power should not be affected At all. Esp one that's even more transcendent than Deicide Aizen too
It would be like you trying to stop a huge trailer truck from moving with your bare hands, it won't work
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Even base ginjo was never stated to be on his level. It was tsukishima and grimjoww fighting in the book but it doesn't really matter since they are both multi cont
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All this doesn't contradict ginjo, tokinada doesn't tank it, he deflected it.... barely.
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Yhwach, who had the power of the SK and the Almighty didn’t want to face TB Ichigo head on. But this guy can apparently deflect a Getsuga from the same guy that’s said to have a Getsuga as strong as the form of Ichigo SK Yhwach didn’t even wanna fight. You see what’s wrong with that right?
Monster Aizen couldn’t even deflect Mugetsu barely. And there’s less of a gap between him and FGT Ichigo than there is between TB Ichigo and a worn out, soul drained Tokinada
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Ginjo is wanked to heavens from a single contradictory statement in a novel full of contradictory statements
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Yhwach wasn't afraid of Ichigo’s bankai getsuga tensho, he was cautious of the bankai itself, reason being we see him come back after getting sliced in half with ichigo bankai's GT but even with that almighty prior didn't want to face it.
And also the bankai yhwach didn't want to face was a bankai stacked on his merged hollow powers not his regular bankai, seeing as he still dominates bankai ichigo when he comes back till uryu nullifies the almighty.
Mugetsu has a wider range than GT when it's fired. This is expected.
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Ginjo uses Getsuga Tensho twice. Tokinada dodges one, takes damage from the other, then takes damage from Bankai Kensei, but is saved from fatal wounds by Hanataro's Zanpakuto. If I remember correctly, the Getsuga Tensho that Tokinada couldn't dodge and took damage from was Ichigo's strongest Getsuga Tensho, said to be as powerful as any of Yhwach's.
Tokinada is nowhere near as strong as any of Yhwach's forms. There's strong evidence in the same novel that he's weaker than Yamamoto and Pre-Hogyoku Aizen. It also mentions that he could easily take a hit from Urahara's Kido. I also seem to recall him implying he could die against Shunsui's Bankai.
Girikko says that Base Grimmjow's GRC is slightly more powerful than Ginjo's GT. In terms of speed, the GT is slightly faster than the GRC, he notes.
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Getsuga Tenshou is a stronger attack that comes from his Bankai lol. That’d be like being scared of a gun but saying you’re not scared of the bullet that is the entire reason the gun is dangerous in the first place.
He feared his regular Bankai too man. The second Yhwach saw Aizen’s illusion of Ichigo he tried to break it again. And he dominates a weakened Ichigo who he called out for not taking the time to heal via Orihime. Not impressive considering he literally absorbed his powers.
I can almost guarantee you the Getsuga TS Ichigo used to slice Yhwach’s palace in half in his second fight against Uryu has a far wider range that Mugetsu.
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@Specterxxxx any updates on the LS strength calcs for Toshiro and Kenpachi?
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It comes from his zanpakuto not his bankai, and this power is amped by all races he is mixed with. It Isn't boosted by his shinigami powers only.
Fair,
Doubt it, but let's agree to disagree.
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I have been too busy with life, but I will continue my plans with the wiki sooner rather than later. I will update the low 5B calc, then work on the new royal palace distance and the subsequent calcs connected to it, then I will do the LS calcs. Sorry for the delay
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Who scales to the Low 5-B calc again?
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Anyone who can rival or is outrightly superior to the power of 100% cien's gran rey cero or anyone who is completely stronger than the three strongest arrancar saga Espadas.
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Interesting
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I believe SAFWY's BBS Scans are valid on this wiki. Therefore, Mayuri's statement that Byakuya's Senbonzakura is equivalent to 100 Picarro's destructive power can be used. Since there isn't much difference between SAFWY and the Arrancar saga, I think everyone from Zommari onwards can upscale it. Because Ukitake considers even 4 months of training insufficient for getting stronger, and Byakuya's real major strength gain came from Royal Guard training.
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