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Yet Another Massive Marvel P&A CRT (Aka Part 3 of My Marvel Revisions)
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@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Emirp sumitpo @ProfectusInfinity @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Eficiente @The_Impress
Are any of you willing to evaluate this revision indepth please? I think that you are knowledgeable about Marvel Comics.
Are any of you willing to evaluate this revision indepth please? I think that you are knowledgeable about Marvel Comics.
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Is not just cuz he disagrees. If a bureaucrat believes a revision needs to be given a bit more thorough analysis, they are well within the means of halting the implementation of a revision. Specially when a revision involves a verse as big as Marvel. Additionally, it is certainly not unreasonable to ask of the staff to be more in-depth or at the absolute least, show they actually read everything beyond just a basic "looks good" (which is why I personally take my time to read stuff and check every single scan before commenting on a thread; and even then, I easily could miss some context, so it getting pointed out is very important).
So please try to keep such comments to a minimum. It's frustrating when a revision takes forever, however that's also the risk you run when trying to revise a big verse such as this one on top of tackling in too much stuff at once.
With that being said, as I mentioned to you in private, I myself am hesitant to participate in revisions for this verse precisely because of situations like this, where its long history and showcases unfortunately start contradicting past information and without proper in-depth knowledge on the verse, revisions pass without thought or care, just seeking to index for the sake of indexing at a certain point, regardless if its consistent. Combined with our strict rules on the verse, there's very little I can provide for the revision. I'm fairly sure I am not alone among our staff on that sentiment.
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Since this seems to be the main thing holding the thread down, I will focus on this
I believe it would be more a general "has resistance to the Phoenix Force" itself, but not individual abilities not tied to the Phoenix Force. For example, while she can resist the mind manipulation from a Phoenix Force host, if she didn't have an innate resistance to mindhax, another user of the power could affect her.
So she doesn't individually resist every ability from the Phoenix Force based on that, only the PF directly.
For deconstruction, I would note it under her forcefield abilities, as she protected herself with one.
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Is the rest of the SW's tabber (once these two changes are integrated) ready to be applied?Thank you for helping out, Lephyr.
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Well, I think that Saman went through that and other sections earlier, and rejected a part of it, and I and ProfectusInfinity also had some other concerns about reliability regarding other areas from what I recall.
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Saman had issues with the PF resistance and deconstruction*, and gave a more satisfactory solution in the quoted post I mentioned, from which I then elaborated.Well, I think that Saman went through that and other sections earlier, and rejected a part of it, and I and ProfectusInfinity also had some other concerns about reliability regarding other areas from what I recall.
What specifically do you have a problem with, if you are able to give such? I can take a look then.
Edit: *because everything else, Esseso already implemented in the tabber. It was just those two things left, seemingly.
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Well, from what I recall, Storm's regular physical statistics and fighting skills were very exaggerated at some point, and I also agreed with ProfectusInfinity about some concerns he had, but I may misremember.
I mainly just wanted Saman to go through the rest of the suggested revisions here, but he seems to have lost interest.
I mainly just wanted Saman to go through the rest of the suggested revisions here, but he seems to have lost interest.
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That was already removed a while back.
Well, the rest of the staff (mainly, Glass and Planck) seems to have went through it, with Glass even pointing out couple of specific issues but found the rest satisfactory.I mainly just wanted Saman to go through the rest of the suggested revisions here, but he seems to have lost interest.
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IIRC pretty much.
Basically the same verdict as Saman then. I'll just remove it from the OP since it doesn't seem to be applicable to anyone else.
I crossed out the Oblivion stuff Profectus disagreed withWell, I think that Saman went through that and other sections earlier, and rejected a part of it, and I and ProfectusInfinity also had some other concerns about reliability regarding other areas from what I recall.
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I removed the 8-C storm stuff from the OP a while backWell, from what I recall, Storm's regular physical statistics and fighting skills were very exaggerated at some point, and I also agreed with ProfectusInfinity about some concerns he had, but I may misremember.
I mainly just wanted Saman to go through the rest of the suggested revisions here, but he seems to have lost interest.
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Yeah that seems to be the end of that mess.
I mean Saman disagreed with resistance to deconstruction entirely but IMO Lephyr's solution of it being applicable to forcefields is the best outcomeOkay. What has not been rejected by any staff members here can probably be applied now then. Thank you for helping out.
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Resistance to:Please elaborate regarding what needs to be evaluated, preferably by including a scan.
- Deconstruction & Matter Manipulation (At least Molecular, likely Atomic. Due to her forcefield, was entirely unaffected by being eaten by an Endling, which can devour and as a result destroy the atoms and molecules of reality, as well as atomizing and shredding Molecule Man with the help of The Griever At The End of All Things (scans in second link are from Fantastic Four (Vol. 6) Issues 2-3), with existence being deconstructed as a result)
- Space-Time Manipulation (As mentioned above, was unaffected by being eaten by an Endling, which can devour an entire pocket reality, with pocket realities being described in another run as being made solely of time and space)
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Okay. I agree with Lephyr's solution in that case. The Scarlet Witch apparently needs to actively defend herself to activate her resistance.
IIRC Saman also had issues with this:
- BFR & Empathic/Soul Manipulation (Knocked the hope out of The Wizard's soul before casting him down to a realm where thought attracts tireless swarms of hornets)
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He said to keep the empathic manipulation, just not specify that it was Hope, as the comic doesn't elaborate.
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I thought the comic clearly indicated that she just drained the hope from him to make him a shell of himself, but that's just me.
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She's shown expelling something from his body (see the yellow silhouette), and then he collapses and rambles in a mentally shattered state before being banished.I don't really notice any spefications regarding when Wanda did from the linked scans alone, other than banish him (and behave in a very unheroic power-abusing manner).
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We see a yellow visage knocked out of his body (in a different form than him staggering back), and it causes him to mentally shatter and just ramble. She clearly messed with his mind, especially given her statement of removing his hope.That may just be a visual movement drawing style of pushing him backwards, without further specification.
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Where? There isn't such in the scans linked
That's what cause the entire disagreement lol
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Yeah, I fully agree that she removed the wizards hope now. Very explicitly stated from her.
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Yeah, I could've sworn I had added that panel in the original link. Very much on me.
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Yes, but she behaved like an extremely power-abusing and evil villain in the process. I think that I like the current handling of the Scarlet Witch even less than that of Storm.
I very strongly agree with positive feminism based on genuine equality and protecting women from real world abuses, not whatever this extremely destructive casually sadistic power-tripping supremacism is supposed to be about.
Anyway, the revision is accepted, but I now think that Wanda is an evil asshole, so congratulations to her I suppose.
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Tbf the Wizard was threatening her family's lives, so it makes sense she wasn't in a merciful mood.Yes, but she behaved like an extremely power-abusing and evil villain in the process. I think that I like the current handling of the Scarlet Witch even less than that of Storm.
I very strongly agree with positive feminism based on genuine equality and protecting women from real world abuses, not whatever this extremely destructive casually sadistic power-tripping supremacism is supposed to be about.
Anyway, the revision is accepted, but I now think that Wanda and her writer are evil assholes, so congratulations to them I suppose.
Currently working on the SW revisions, I've already applied the revisions to every other page.
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Casually subjecting a completely outmatched opponent to a fate worse than death out of a supremacist sense of entitlement is still completely unacceptable behaviour though. It seems like Marvel Comics is just turning more and more morally diseased over the years due to the writers and editors. Even Thor recently stole the soul of a torture victim. Seriously, does that sound like in-character behaviour?
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Let's leave that for the discussion thread.Casually subjecting a completely outmatched opponent to a fate worse than death out of a supremacist sense of entitlement is still completely unacceptable behaviour though. It seems like Marvel Comics is just turning more and more morally diseased over the years due to the writers and editors. Even Thor recently stole the soul of a torture victim. Seriously, does that sound like in-character behaviour?
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Has everything been applied here?
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Everything except the Scarlet Witch stuff, which I'm working on.
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Okay.
All I have left is to get Doom's page unlocked to change a justification on his page, and to get some Asgardian pages unlocked to apply Asgardian Physiology, so this can FINALLY be closed.
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Thank you, but I already got them all unlocked and applied the last few revisions. This thread can now finally be closed.Please write the exact titles of all the pages that you want unlocked in regular text format, so we can help you out with our page-unlocking program.
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