Instant Death CM1 removal

[SweetDao]

Three isekai downgraded at the same time!!

Anyway, that should be rather self-evident. No concept in ID are type 1.

The current (most used) justification is the following one:

Information Manipulation, Information Analysis, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world. Can manipulate the world's core which defines the world. By manipulating the world core, the reality also will be impact from it. Those with the authority of god can freely manipulate the world. Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality)

First justification is irrelevant as it's literally just internet across worlds.

The second is true even if we never see it in action and it could just be reality warping for all we know.

The third one is slightly faulty. You indeed need to be a God to manipulate a world (or even create one) but you can't simply manipulate a world you don't own in the first place.

Last justification is simply Gods manipulating laws really.

Nothing here proves any form of CM.

There might have been some confusion with the splendid "on a conceptual level" description of the Celestial Foundation, but as the author stated, "only the Celestial Foundation, Celestial Axis and Canopy are conceptual and even then, they might not always be like this". So yeah, can't be CM1 either. They are just "conceptual object".

There was some concept manipulation hax in ID, like UEG being able to imbue her attack with the concept of "ignoring defenses" or likewise Luu being able to imbue the concept of "absolute protection". Similarly, there was also the idea in the Demon King Novel that Gods can imbue concept on their attack (like what UEG/Luu did) which is explained here:

It's really a simple thing; just make use of a Daimao (Demon King) destruction attack — If said target happens to be a Demon King; no matter whatever it is that they do; it's a sure-hit and a guaranteed destruction. That is how conceptual attacks work.

Which goes in line with what happened when Rick used his "concept-imbued sword" to kill UEG:

“You are a swordsman who has killed gods, and you possess a holy sword designed for such. That combination should reinforce your godslaying capability on a conceptual level.”

Rick had once used the Holy Sword Orz to kill the goddess Vahanato. That fact lent him a conceptual advantage in killing gods. Truthfully, Rickdidn’t really understand how it worked, but if the Divine King said that wasthe case, he could do nothing but believe her.

No single one of these factors was enough to protect Richard from her attack, but with all of them together, Richard was just barely strong enough to fight back.

“Ah, I get it. That sword is the one that killed me, so it’s got the concept of god-slaying infused into it now. Now I’m mad! No more Mrs. Nice Goddess!”

Vahanato brought the weapons floating around her to bear, each of them firing a beam of light all at once. Her attack had been stopped whenshe was holding back, but what would happen if she went all out?

I think that's all, unless I've missed something, there is no CM1.
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Agree : Mr._East_Statement, Notlaziz, Cipher72, Justlol230, Celestial_Pegasus, TheGreatJedi13, Grabbing_dragon, sukuna171, Shar122, Zanesucksatlife, Eseseso, IvarUHQ

DIsagree :

Neutral :

 

[BoastJr]

Anti Isekai Week ! OH BOY

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Damn three Isekai downgrade is insane lmao did I partake in some form of event???

Agree with the proposal, needless to say, take this fraud verse even lower, goat.

I still remember people would argue UEG being H1-A+ (tf) for "perceiving all worlds" (ignoring the fact they are merely parallel worlds) and saying Yogurt being stronger than her so Tier-0

Bump

 

[Hecky2222]

My GOAT Dao making sure all of Isekais will stay Goku victims

Leaning towards agreeing

At this point gotta ask why you wouldn't remove or nuke Possibly 2B stuff also? Is there anything to prove timelines at ID have different space-time continuums?

 

[Curcuma_x_curcuma]

Poor Yogiri.

 

[Cipher72]

OP makes sense to me, I don't see the justification for Concept type 1 in the first place ? Unless I missed something.

Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature.

On a side note does this mean that

Last justification is simply Gods manipulating laws really.

Instead of Concept Manipulation, Law manipulation will be added ?

 

[SweetDao]

Damn three Isekai downgrade is insane lmao did I partake in some form of event???

You're the one who instigated everything!!!

I still remember people would argue UEG being H1-A+ (tf) for "perceiving all worlds" (ignoring the fact they are merely parallel worlds) and saying Yogurt being stronger than her so Tier-0

It was Ultimate God who is different character from UEG (Ultimate Extermination God) but yeah, people see "all possible worlds" and go crazy.

At this point gotta ask why you wouldn't remove or nuke Possibly 2B stuff also? Is there anything to prove timelines at ID have different space-time continuums?

It was the decision in the downgrade thread. Either straight up 2B, either possibly 2-B or only 3-A. The middle option was the one that most people prefered (including admins) but I could totally people wanting only 3-A or only 2-B.

 

[SweetDao]

OP makes sense to me, in the first place I don't see the justification for Concept type 1 in the first place ? Unless I missed something.

Not easy to see but it's here for example. (The link should automatically highlight the relevant portion).

Instead of Concept Manipulation, Law manipulation will be added ?

They already have Law Manipulation so that's fine.

 

[Cipher72]

It was the decision in the downgrade thread. Either straight up 2B, either possibly 2-B or only 3-A. The middle option was the one that most people prefered (including admins) but I could totally people wanting only 3-A or only 2-B.

10-C makes sense to me

Edit because I don't want to clutter the thread;

Not easy to see but it's here for example. (The link should automatically highlight the relevant portion).

I was talking about proof for those being type-1 concepts, If I remember correctly you need to prove that said concepts are unaffected by the things that are participating in them/the reality they are influencing. I didn't see any such statements.

 

[SweetDao]

10-C makes sense to me

11-C because they live in Mitsuki's dream!!

 

[Justlol230]

Yeah, I can see it. I agree with the removal of CM type 1.

Bump.

3 Isekai downgrades is insane

 

[Voidnether]

Chinaman soon after the Isekai

 

[Hecky2222]

It was the decision in the downgrade thread. Either straight up 2B, either possibly 2-B or only 3-A. The middle option was the one that most people prefered (including admins) but I could totally people wanting only 3-A or only 2-B.

If there is nothing that proves verse has different space time continuums you shouldnt stop at 2B and make whole verse Goku victims

 

[SweetDao]

If there is nothing that proves verse has different space time continuums you shouldnt stop at 2B and make whole verse Goku victims

There are different timeline tho, so there's that ig

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

3 isekai downgrade
In my vswiki?
This is truly another world

Is it gonna be downgraded though, or flat out removed?

 

[SweetDao]

Is it gonna be downgraded though, or flat out removed?

Oh yeah, I didn't state this...

Well, I don't doubt that there might be CM2 in the verse (as in, how the cosmology operates), but no one has ever interacted with CM2 and the only stuff we have are CM3 stuff like "concept of God-Slaying" or "Concept of absolute protection" stuff.

So yeah, I think it will be removed from the profiles and maybe change some justification for the actual CM stuff to CM3.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I could argue the fact that the concept of God-slaying or Absolute protection made other objects abide by it, at least qualify for CM2
wouldn't really call it manipulation (creation, destruction, change) since they are simply imbuing it.
so i doubt the use would still have CM type 2 still

anyway i agree with CM1 removal

 

[SweetDao]

could argue the fact that the concept of God-slaying or Absolute protection made other objects abide by it, at least qualify for CM2
wouldn't really call it manipulation (creation, destruction, change) since they are simply imbuing it.
so i doubt the use would still have CM type 2 still

I think it's just too specific to be universals honestly. But then I'm no expert on CM either.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Three downgrade CRTs for worship Isekais in power scaling simultaneously. Such peakness, of course I agree with all of them. The only one I am not proud of is Isekai at Peace one, since it didn’t get an anime announcement like the others did

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea don't see any evidence of type 1 concepts here, so I agree.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Chinaman soon after the Isekai

Nobody is prepared to read 7000+ chapters to debunk each one

 

[sukuna171]

I agree looks more like cm 3

 

[DaReaperMan]

Overlord when it's got nothing controversial, it's just vibing. I mean if you don't like Fan TLs it's controversial but the officials switch names and reverse the meaning of sentences. So no.

Oh and, agree.

 

[Shar122]

This is peak

I agree.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Peak, I agree with this
I say nuke it all
(Yogiri should be rock level)

 

[Eseseso]

Remember when this verse was 1-A?

OP looks fine.

Overlord when it's got nothing controversial, it's just vibing. I mean if you don't like Fan TLs it's controversial but the officials switch names and reverse the meaning of sentences. So no.

Oh and, agree.

Cough Lilynette Cough

 

[Maniaunavailable]

what three isekais got a CRT?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

what three isekais got a CRT?

Yuh
Instant death
A wild last boss
And
Isekai at peace

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Chinaman soon after the Isekai

Chinese Web novels are already scarce enough in VB.

I still remember people would argue UEG being H1-A+

So Yogiri should be 0 then

 

[Berga14]

I didn't find a general discussion about this verse so here a question: why does yogiri have void manip in his last key without any justification?

I will delete this comment later to not clog the thread.

 

[SweetDao]

I didn't find a general discussion about this verse so here a question: why does yogiri have void manip in his last key without any justification?

The justification (reference) is when UEG got sent to a "void of nothingness" before dying. It's some sort of "moment between life and death" before UEG died/dissolved/was erased and people assumed UEG was sent in Yogiri's true form.

 

[Berga14]

The justification (reference) is when UEG got sent to a "void of nothingness" before dying. It's some sort of "moment between life and death" before UEG died/dissolved/was erased and people assumed UEG was sent in Yogiri's true form.

And is this a good assumbtion? Or is more likely some bfr thing? Anyway, it looks pretty bad as how it is now.

 

[SweetDao]

And is this a good assumbtion? Or is more likely some bfr thing? Anyway, it looks pretty bad as how it is now.

It isn't good assumption. Because in the same scene there is Kouryu who is "in the same place" as UEG, talking to her. It makes no sense whatsoever.

BFR doesn't work either, I really think it's just some sort of "moment before death experience" but IF people really think it's possible, we can go with BFR (although, I would like to point out UEG's body wasn't BFR into said void, just her consciousness ig?)

 

[IvarUHQ]

I agree et mange @SweetDao

 

[Hecky2222]

bump

 

[Hecky2222]

Bump

 

[Hecky2222]

Bump

 

[Hecky2222]

Bump

 

[Hecky2222]

Bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Agree with everything

The second is true even if we never see it in action and it could just be reality warping for all we know.

I don't know if world here is referring to a celestial foundation or na, but if it does then you can also add that it can also just refer to some physical object that serves as the core of the surroundings. Take the common concept of dungeon cores for example

Definitely nothing conceptual even if it "defines" things.

explained here:

Yeahhhh this is really just some CM3 stuff with the first scan explaination on what "concepts" mean, nothing CM1 tho

It isn't good assumption. Because in the same scene there is Kouryu who is "in the same place" as UEG, talking to her. It makes no sense whatsoever.

BFR doesn't work either, I really think it's just some sort of "moment before death experience" but IF people really think it's possible, we can go with BFR (although, I would like to point out UEG's body wasn't BFR into said void, just her consciousness ig?)

A similar concept that comes to mind is "collective unconscious" that I come across in various manhwas, where the people just drift inside some combined mental realm without any physical objects, so a void from their perspective, not actual non-existence.

So I REALLLY doubt if it's something having to do with yogurt, likely just a general in-verse mechanic