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Kiana Kaslana Vs Irontomb (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Honkai Impact 3rd)

Super_Nova said:
Huh??
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Dont mind them. Thats how they usually scale. Last time the bud looked at Zephyro leaving a note on Amphoreus about how he fought Khaslana and how the fight took place in Path Space, the dude proceeds to still say the scepter simulated Zephyro, Nanook, and the Path Space
 
The reason the Imaginary space and the real space are both 1-B even if they both should differ in tiers (Low 1-A cough cough), there's like this thing called common sense where it's possible for something to have 1-B in range and simultaneously not being able to reach everything within it if the series clearly put its limitations aside, which is why the Imaginary is unaffected by Completed Irontomb's attacks. That being said however, it still does encompass the entire physical plane and Herrscher of Finality is like a manifestation/projection of the Cocoon in real space just like the Aeons since we're putting Cocoon to be on equal footings (unless they retconned by making Terminus way superior). I believe nothing stops Irontomb from just nuking HoF like the rest of the Emanators that resides on the material world here, plus Irontomb has a lot more abilities compared to HoF (HoF is genuinely outnumbered here), therefore I go by Irontomb in this way.
 
Voidnether said:
The reason the Imaginary space and the real space are both 1-B even if they both should differ in tiers (Low 1-A cough cough), there's like this thing called common sense where it's possible for something to have 1-B in range and simultaneously not being able to reach everything within it if the series clearly put its limitations aside, which is why the Imaginary is unaffected by Completed Irontomb's attacks. That being said however, it still does encompass the entire physical plane and Herrscher of Finality is like a manifestation/projection of the Cocoon in real space just like the Aeons since we're putting Cocoon to be on equal footings (unless they retconned by making Terminus way superior). I believe nothing stops Irontomb from just nuking HoF like the rest of the Emanators that resides on the material world here, plus Irontomb has a lot more abilities compared to HoF (HoF is genuinely outnumbered here), therefore I go by Irontomb in this way.
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Real space is 1-B, Imaginary space would be 1-A.
 
Since this is HoF Kiana and I’m a bit unsure ln who to vote for in this matchup I have questions.

What’s stopping Kiana from using the authority of stars to pin Irontomb down and make it completely immobile (immeasurable LS and that authority could clash with Zephyro in the hands of someone much much weaker than this Kiana or even Base Kevin) + the authority of binding to powernull Irontomb before it gets off the erasure move (since Stelleron’s as well as Nanook’s blood are Honkai and Irontomb is a machine, binding should work on Irontomb no?).
There is also Kiana’s layered timestopping to account for.
Kiana’s fire authority is also a much higher temp than Irontomb resists, 1 billion degrees vs 15 million. So she should be able to vaporize it in one big sword slash.

Or is the argument for Irontomb that he will start off immediately with the erasure while Kiana wouldn’t fight with so many different authorities in tandem unless bloodlusted. Cause reading the thread most of the arguments in irontomb’s favor revolve around the Imaginary Tree erasure.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Since this is HoF Kiana and I’m a bit unsure ln who to vote for in this matchup I have questions.

What’s stopping Kiana from using the authority of stars to pin Irontomb down and make it completely immobile (immeasurable LS and that authority could clash with Zephyro in the hands of someone much much weaker than this Kiana or even Base Kevin) + the authority of binding to powernull Irontomb before it gets off the erasure move (since Stelleron’s as well as Nanook’s blood are Honkai and Irontomb is a machine, binding should work on Irontomb no?).
There is also Kiana’s layered timestopping to account for.
Kiana’s fire authority is also a much higher temp than Irontomb resists, 1 billion degrees vs 15 million. So she should be able to vaporize it in one big sword slash.

Or is the argument for Irontomb that he will start off immediately with the erasure while Kiana wouldn’t fight with so many different authorities in tandem unless bloodlusted. Cause reading the thread most of the arguments in irontomb’s favor revolve around the Imaginary Tree erasure.
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Bro's starter move upon self coronating was to nuke the Imaginary Tree frame 1
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Bro's starter move upon self coronating was to nuke the Imaginary Tree frame 1
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Missed that this is complete Irontomb so it actually would start with the nuke unlike in the 3.7 story where they could fight it for a little bit first.
I’ll be giving a vote to Irontomb then cause Kiana won’t be expecting a move like that asap so she wouldn’t be able to just use the binding authority to stop it.
 
So...you guys changed the version of Kiana just so she can be EE'd by Irontomb? What's the point of the matchup then other than giving Irontomb a win atp?
 
Btw I was told to use a way weaker Kiana but I ignored it and picked the second strongest one instead because Kiana would've legitimately get stomped (literally flamescion key)
 
Wasn't aware it literally wouldn't be able to interact with her, but this just makes the matchup unfair no matter what option you go with then. Overall it doesn't really change what I said, either Irontomb stomps or she does. Doesn't seem like something that should be entertained to me, but you guys do whatever you want. I'm just voicing my thoughts.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Btw I was told to use a way weaker Kiana but I ignored it and picked the second strongest one instead because Kiana would've legitimately get stomped (literally flamescion key)
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Doesn't seem to make any difference, you could use HoFi or chapter 1 Kiana and the result would be exactly the same because Irontomb starts with EE.
 
Honestly, I don't see Irontomb doing anything with HoFin Kiana either. Since the consensus is that Irontomb has no way of dealing with Cocoon from what I have read in this thread, Kiana and all Herrschers have immortality linked to their Herrscher cores, the problem is that Kiana's core is the Cocoon of Finality. It is basically her immortality 8 (bordeline immo 9 in this case since Herrschers are just projections of the Cocoon on lower dimensions, and Cocoon can just create another HoFin lol) working the same as Cyrene's immo 8, If you read the mind x memoria thing you'll notice is the exact same mechanism.

CoF can't be restriced in this match since it is a part of Kiana's standard equipment in the HoFin key, and Kiana can act inside her Herrscher core without having a physical body btw, Welt literally did that in the Second Eruption manga.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Dont mind them. Thats how they usually scale. Last time the bud looked at Zephyro leaving a note on Amphoreus about how he fought Khaslana and how the fight took place in Path Space, the dude proceeds to still say the scepter simulated Zephyro, Nanook, and the Path Space
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I didn't say that.
I just said that those weren't the real bodies because they were inside the scepter, and that Nanook was the avatar, not the true form.
 
MotherStar said:
I didn't say that.
I just said that those weren't the real bodies because they were inside the scepter, and that Nanook was the avatar, not the true form.
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Zephyro never entered the Scepter. The whole fight happens in Path Space since everyone entered due to Khaslana accumulating too much Path Energy
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
And Tree = Universe. Unless you’re trying to say the Tree = Leaf then nuke the entire cosmology to 3-C, including Honkai Impact 3rd. We would love to see 3-C Kiana.

Like all this extrapolation but where do you think the Leaves and Branches are connected to???
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The theory doesn't actually address the imaginary tree itself... and above all, the leaf worlds are of universal size...
 
Unqver said:
The Imaginary Tree is officially confirmed to be the universe everyone talks about in-game. Irontomb indeed destroyed the entirety of it before once, as whether if it reached Imaginary Space may be questionable. Though, HSR is definitely 1-B but I do agree the Aeons and top tier Emanators are not quite on-par with Finality Kiana and Kevin as of yet.
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Confirm where? Leaf-worlds can function like a tree, yes, but this is not the imaginary tree.
 
Super_Nova said:
Do they give ya’ll lobotomies over there at HI3? No wonder half the fandom is genuinely special ed
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Hope you realize HI3 only gets upgrades and their profiles only get updated due to HSR supporters right 😭 . Deadass all the HI3 supporters dipped.
 
Super_Nova said:
Zephyro never entered the Scepter. The whole fight happens in Path Space since everyone entered due to Khaslana accumulating too much Path Energy
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If Phainon had left the scepter, he wouldn't have been absorbed by Irontomb.

Firstly, because Phainon never had a physical body, leaving Amphoreus is important for him since no one can reach Amphoreus with their physical body, and those within Amphoreus never had physical bodies, making it impossible for them to leave the scepter.
Secondly, the path of the Ways simply adapted to the scepter.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Hope you realize HI3 only gets upgrades and their profiles only get updated due to HSR supporters right 😭 . Deadass all the HI3 supporters dipped.
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you can count me as one because im that willing to update the verse accordingly
but cosnidering everything id actually advocate for deletion when their own devs have abandoned the game (average patch is 6-7 weeks long AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHA SIX SEVEN JAO BOZE UZMI ME XDDDDDDDDDDDD)
 
MotherStar said:
If Phainon had left the scepter, he wouldn't have been absorbed by Irontomb.

Firstly, because Phainon never had a physical body, leaving Amphoreus is important for him since no one can reach Amphoreus with their physical body, and those within Amphoreus never had physical bodies, making it impossible for them to leave the scepter.
Secondly, the path of the Ways simply adapted to the scepter.
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He left Path Space after being defeated lol. And there’s nothing physical about Path Space since it’s made outta Imaginary Energy and connected to every place in the Tree. You don’t need any physical body for it
 
MotherStar said:
If Phainon had left the scepter, he wouldn't have been absorbed by Irontomb.

Firstly, because Phainon never had a physical body, leaving Amphoreus is important for him since no one can reach Amphoreus with their physical body, and those within Amphoreus never had physical bodies, making it impossible for them to leave the scepter.
Secondly, the path of the Ways simply adapted to the scepter.
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the first thing that happened the moment exomyth and amphoreus time dimension was connected to reality is that Cyrene an actual digital part of amphoreus left it and was real 😭
this is genuenly next level of larping because how do you not read and see what the game tells to your face straight up
 
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