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(Mega Man Zero) - Omega Is Really, Really Greedy (AP Increase)

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TheHedgememe said:
It is kinda funny how the one Mega Man series that was known for being OP for years is suddenly being usurped like this.
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Battle Network is being reworked isn't it? Wouldn't it just reclaim its title with a higher dimensional internet or something like that?
 
TartaChocholate said:
Wouldn't it just reclaim its title with a higher dimensional internet or something like that?
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nah, the current calcs i got for replacing peak tiering are tiers 6-5. hopefully the tier 5 end is the one accepted. He also doesn't get this scaling until the 3rd game. battle network 1 would be like 9-a and somewhere around country level with hub.bat(thing he gets for specifically the final boss) and post network transmission as he powercreeps the hub.bat amp. His speed is also much more cooked then before and doesnt have much to work with, hopefully it can be upgraded to ftl soon with more proof recently found regarding laser standards.

higher dimensional entites comes from starforce which is basically seperate from bn scaling wise, but that would be dimensional tiering, its just a state of existence thing and even apollo flame>sirius. i have a current revision for star force and i personally dont see it getting higher beyond what is in that crt.
 
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TheHedgememe said:
Just put the CRT on a couple more walls. Hopefully someone comes soon. Forgive me if this thread's taken so long.


Makes sense. I'm not a Battle Network fan myself so I can't really argue for or against them.
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play it, the games are pretty underated

also sorry for delays on the blog, combination of school and recently getting sick.
 
AlloyAmi said:
nah, the current calcs i got for replacing peak tiering are tiers 6-5. hopefully the tier 5 end is the one accepted. He also doesn't get this scaling until the 3rd game. battle network 1 would be like 9-a and somewhere around country level with hub.bat(thing he gets for specifically the final boss) and post network transmission as he powercreeps the hub.bat amp. His speed is also much more cooked then before and doesnt have much to work with, hopefully it can be upgraded to ftl soon with more proof recently found regarding laser standards.

higher dimensional entites comes from starforce which is basically seperate from bn scaling wise, but that would be dimensional tiering, its just a state of existence thing and even apollo flame>sirius. i have a current revision for star force and i personally dont see it getting higher beyond what is in that crt.
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Ah, frig. Part of me was hoping EXE would find his own set of powerful stuff that had been overlooked. The speed downgrade particularly stings. I may be misremembering, but what about things like Gospel affecting the Net to the point he was breaching into the real world in Battle Network 2? Or was it just causing malfunctions on real world machinery I can't remember.
TyranoDoom30 said:
The name is called: "Doing research"
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I'd say having sharp eyes is important as well. Sometimes you work pretty hard and just simply overlook things over and over.
 
TartaChocholate said:
Ah, frig. Part of me was hoping EXE would find his own set of powerful stuff that had been overlooked. The speed downgrade particularly stings.
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Does make me wonder if there's a chance that the Anime and Manga of BN could have separate profiles, and how differently they'd fare.
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH said:
Does make me wonder if there's a chance that the Anime and Manga of BN could have separate profiles, and how differently they'd fare.
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Haven't seen them as much as the games, but ive found statements for both of them suggesting similar downgrades to the nets size, severely downgrading their feats similar to the games.
TartaChocholate said:
I may be misremembering, but what about things like Gospel affecting the Net to the point he was breaching into the real world in Battle Network 2?
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I put a debunk to it in my WIP revisions blog, but its this weird radiation/reality warping hax that only affects a building. Migue also played BN2 this year and also agrees with it being bunk.
 
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AlloyAmi said:
Haven't seen them as much as the games, but ive found statements for both of them suggesting similar downgrades to the nets size, severely downgrading their feats similar to the games.

I put a debunk to it in my WIP revisions blog, but its this weird radiation/reality warping hax that only affects a building. Migue also played BN2 this year and also agrees with it being bunk.
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Well, frig. And here I was thinking that Hedge's reply to the big chinned dude was because of a major bump for EXE. You never know what can happen for real.

Also, haven't said it openly but I agree with the upgrades. Doesn't mean much in general, but hey, know you have been making me a very happy Megaman X/Megaman Zero fanboy.
 
On a scientific/mathmatical level, subspace doesn't really count as a universe equal to say, our own- typically, subspaces are embedded into the host universe and are generally smaller than said larger space. That would be like a "infinity+1" sort of thing which doesn't really help when it comes to this level of power

This is the scan you're talking about- it says that subspace is "dimensionally different", which likely just refers to having less than three spatial dimensions

Though, the 8 Nightmare Dimensions which contains stars and galaxies could count for something- I found it on Tyranodoom's old Omega profile. I don't like it but, I'm not the main guy when it comes to this AP stuff for mega man so, take that for what you will??
 
Smashtwig said:
This is the scan you're talking about- it says that subspace is "dimensionally different", which likely just refers to having less than three spatial dimensions
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Note that 亜空間 can also mean "Hyperspace", which usually means spaces with more than one dimension. Given the "dimensionally different" stuff, i wouldn't be suprised the more appropriate translation is Hyperspace

Even if it is the case, i don't necessarily think it would change much, and the Nightmare dimensions would add more
 
Smashtwig said:
Though, the 8 Nightmare Dimensions which contains stars and galaxies could count for something- I found it on Tyranodoom's old Omega profile. I don't like it but, I'm not the main guy when it comes to this AP stuff for mega man so, take that for what you will??
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NGL X calling it a virtual area means they should absolutely be their own cyberspaces. I can't believe I forgot about this. Adding to the doc.

Also means we'd likely be getting 16 more universes (8 x 2) out of this since the Hunters keep recording data with the Mother Computer and whatnot.
 
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Okay before I commit any changes to the doc:

For each stage containing multiple Cyberspaces within them, such as Troia Base or Central Museum (the Virtual Areas/Nightmare Dimensions), should the Cyberspaces within them be recorded as data in the Mother Computer in addition to the stages (counted as separate universes basically) or would it make more sense for these stages to be one Cyberspace each anyways in the context of them being in the Mother Computer?
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH said:
Does make me wonder if there's a chance that the Anime and Manga of BN could have separate profiles, and how differently they'd fare.
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Manga starts out vastly weaker. A dark aura is actually too much for a Proto soul MegaMan to puncture. Said Proto soul was able to low diff Bass GS, who is magnitudes stronger than his Base form (stated in the manga). Base Bass was able to shatter a mountainous region tho. So he scales to whatever that areas size is.

But, then after that whole dark aura shit, you get the bottom of the strongest, able to pop dark auras with anti-darkness programs, and you have colonel who can one-shot a plethora of dark Navis with dark aura and wipe out their cyber space (or seal it). Then you have dark Navis who can tank attacks from Navis who are designed to battle them and can pop dark auras like nothing. Then you have nebula gray being far stronger, then you the cyber beasts individually being far stronger. Probably ends there. The cybeasts at the end merge together and start growing immensely big. Described as being bigger than 6,000 miles high. Also where uploading the entire world to the cyberworld. Meaning the scope of the cyberworld in the manga is big enough to fit a planet the size of earth. Also the cybeasts at that point were said to be like a black hole. May be inaccurate.

The manga actually has multiple cyberworlds. The dark Navis come from a completely different cyberworld than that of earths.

Base MegaMan and Base ProtoMan at the end of the manga are able to fight on the level of cybeasts I guess. Since MegaMan is partially able to use their abilities in base. And the feats are described as being unbelievable.

There’s also the Forte: time of reunion that is said to be a sequel to the manga. The timeline is unknown exactly, but it happens quite a bit of time after the cybeasts. But in that chapter, you have Serenade returning. Beats me how they are alive. They pretty much neg-diff base MegaMan and ProtoMan, to the point serenade breaths on his sword and it shatters. MegaMan was certain that with serenade on their side, there was no way they could capture Bass (perhaps just the last version of Bass MegaMan felt and saw).

So there’s that.

Starts out weaker than the games, but ends up being so strong that I think dark auras can be popped like bubbles by the end of the series by the likes of base MegaMan and protoman, and anyone who scales to them.
 
The manga has a better cyberworld to real world fusion feat than the game funny enough. The entire city is basically merging with the cyberworld.
 
I know this is a bit hypocrititcal since I proposed a Tier 1 rating- but I think we should just wait for a mod and not derail- this is about the main timeline's Cyberspaces, not Battle Network

TheHedgememe said:
NGL X calling it a virtual area means they should absolutely be their own cyberspaces. I can't believe I forgot about this. Adding to the doc.

Also means we'd likely be getting 16 more universes (8 x 2) out of this since the Hunters keep recording data with the Mother Computer and whatnot.
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I would say whatever the mods say about this, but it would likely be the lowball interpretation

Hopefully someone comes in soon.
 
Okay, after conversing with another
Smashtwig said:
I know this is a bit hypocrititcal since I proposed a Tier 1 rating- but I think we should just wait for a mod and not derail- this is about the main timeline's Cyberspaces, not Battle Network


I would say whatever the mods say about this, but it would likely be the lowball interpretation

Hopefully someone comes in soon.
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Agreed. This isn't a BN thread.

Also on the topic of the virtual spaces, I talked it over with someone and they're more likely just rooms in the Central Museum affected by the Nightmare.
 
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