Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I think a lot of verses portray their tiers reasonably well so idk how much creative exercise is needed on their end. I usually go for calcs but make sure to portray the characters with the statements to gauge if the tier the calc gets is acceptable. Now if there's contradictory statements like Ijichi's or Gege purposely not demonstrating mass destruction from punches or kicks, then I start to doubt anything higher than tier 7C. So far, and only due to the anime, Jogo is the only special grade level character who's doing anything remotely tier 7. A good example is stuff like Ichigo or Madara's sword swings destroying the environment, not saying I want Gojo to blow mt Fuji away, but why isn't Ryu and Yuta destroying several city blocks given they have the highest outputs?

Arkenis after seeing Dabura create an auraro as a side effect 119km above the ground while vaporizing numerous buildings

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Gotta love looking at wikipedia where you've been using the 4.3 m story measurement for years and seen other calcs do the same and now that measurement is gone so that measurement was probably faulty and a shit ton of calcs are probably off by a dozen or so meters

 

[ElJoaki5]

Hey anyone got the current height of a storey that we use? I remember it being 4.3 m but I can't remember if that changed cause I feel like it was in contention a lot.

3.1 for residential 3.9 for comercial

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

3.1 for residential 3.9 for comercial

What kind of building you think those were in the panel where the debris comes from

Edit: Never mind looked up the difference. Probably shoulda done that before asking a dumbass question

 

[LaserPrecision]

Gotta love looking at wikipedia where you've been using the 4.3 m story measurement for years and seen other calcs do the same and now that measurement is gone so that measurement was probably faulty and a shit ton of calcs are probably off by a dozen or so meters

The height depends on if it's residential or a commercial building.

What kind of building you think those were in the panel where the debris comes from

Prolly commercial. They're skyscrapers in the city.

Spoiler

I honestly don't think it'd be that high but I'm like the least reliable person you should ask to eyeball feats cause I've looked at ******* 8-B destruction and said they're like 8-C so hey

The LS or Speed?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I made a quick google and I found out that the energy of an aurora is around 1e+15 to 1e+16 watts

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The height depends on if it's residential or a commercial building.

Prolly commercial. They're skyscrapers in the city.

The LS or Speed?

LS. I'm frankly horrible at eyeballing any of them regardless but yeah. Never rely on me to eyeball a calc.

 

[LaserPrecision]

LS. I'm frankly horrible at eyeballing any of them regardless but yeah. Never rely on me to eyeball a calc.

Think it depends how it's calc'd. If someone just uses the SA of a hand it would likely just be like, Class K at most methinks. But if you use the entire area of the side due to the whole thing breaking apart rather than just leaving a hole the shape of a hand in the side of the building it should be Class M at least.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I made a quick google and I found out that the energy of an aurora is around 1e+15 to 1e+16 watts

Spoiler

Not so sure how to calc it cuz it looks inconsistent
One site says 100 billion watts, another says 1e+15
There also an explosion made by a themobaric bomb of 1.4 megatons that made an aurora that barely lasted and it was extremly inconsistent when compared to Dabura's

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Okay, I hope my tired brain did this calc correctly. Granted I am currently running on less than 2 hours of sleep so less sleep than ******* Satoru Gojo runs on daily so I may have messed up somewhere

 

[LaserPrecision]

Okay, I hope my tired brain did this calc correctly. Granted I am currently running on less than 2 hours of sleep so less sleep than ******* Satoru Gojo runs on daily so I may have messed up somewhere

Seems generally correct but the overlaid images is catching my eye. The middle rock for some reason in one of the images is bigger, but from eyeballing the panels separate myself, they appear about the same size. You might've made one of the images too big.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

No one give a shit about aurora energy

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Seems generally correct but the overlaid images is catching my eye. The middle rock for some reason in one of the images is bigger, but from eyeballing the panels separate myself, they appear about the same size. You might've made one of the images too big.

I don’t think I did cause I copy pasted the same image in both times I never adjusted the size itself I don't think. All I did was cut out the specific panel on top and overlayed it on the bottom. The building debris on the ground is how I compared it and the two lined up

 

[LaserPrecision]

No one give a shit about aurora energy

Tbh I'd wait until the next chapter to get more info about it assuming it gets noticed. If there's a statement indicative of its size (Such as people seeing it from another country), we can just go off the energy of aurora's of comparable size as a safe estimate. At least until a method to calc it thoroughly comes up.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I'm going to try and reoverlay it and see if I did mess up the size cause maybe I did and I just forgot cause I'm tired

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Seems generally correct but the overlaid images is catching my eye. The middle rock for some reason in one of the images is bigger, but from eyeballing the panels separate myself, they appear about the same size. You might've made one of the images too big.

OH I see what's going on. Okay the rock in the middle isn't bigger, it's just the two images are overlaying across one another so it looks like there's a tinier rock in the middle of a much larger rock. The two rocks are about the same size just the overlay makes it look weird

 

[LaserPrecision]

I don’t think I did cause I copy pasted the same image in both times I never adjusted the size itself I don't think. All I did was cut out the specific panel on top and overlayed it on the bottom. The building debris on the ground is how I compared it and the two lined up

Weird. The rock on the top panel doesn't look big enough to completely engulf the one on the bottom panel yet it does. Idk if my eyes are just deceiving me or if smth is off. Really only other thing I'd suggest is using multiple pieces of debris as reference, and then taking the average distance fallen to calc the speed rather than just one piece of debris. Some fall less, some fall a lil more. I'd particularly recommend the debris behind Dabura, because we know those are on the same plane as him, as in the shot with him in Mahoraga's faces, we see the debris directly behind him. So we know it's not closer or further away unlike the other debris.

 

[LaserPrecision]

OH I see what's going on. Okay the rock in the middle isn't bigger, it's just the two images are overlaying across one another so it looks like there's a tinier rock in the middle of a much larger rock. The two rocks are about the same size just the overlay makes it look weird

Well as long as you're sure it's not skewing the measurements that's fine. Cuz it did from a glance look like a big difference

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Weird. The rock on the top panel doesn't look big enough to completely engulf the one on the bottom panel yet it does. Idk if my eyes are just deceiving me or if smth is off. Really only other thing I'd suggest is using multiple pieces of debris as reference, and then taking the average distance fallen to calc the speed rather than just one piece of debris. Some fall less, some fall a lil more. I'd particularly recommend the debris behind Dabura, because we know those are on the same plane as him, as in the shot with him in Mahoraga's faces, we see the debris directly behind him. So we know it's not closer or further away unlike the other debris.

I could try to redo it using that debris sure

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Folks, not talking about calcs and scaling, but a theory

We know that Mahoraga can develop new techniques to counter CTs, like how it learned to cut the world itself to bypass Limitless

What if Mahoraga develops a ******* black hole to counter Dabura's light

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Folks, not talking about calcs and scaling, but a theory

We know that Mahoraga can develop new techniques to counter CTs, like how it learned to cut the world itself to bypass Limitless

What if Mahoraga develops a ******* black hole to counter Dabura's light

Dabura:

 

[LaserPrecision]

Folks, not talking about calcs and scaling, but a theory

We know that Mahoraga can develop new techniques to counter CTs, like how it learned to cut the world itself to bypass Limitless

What if Mahoraga develops a ******* black hole to counter Dabura's light

I could just as easily see him developing reflective/refractive properties

 

[ElJoaki5]

Folks, not talking about calcs and scaling, but a theory

We know that Mahoraga can develop new techniques to counter CTs, like how it learned to cut the world itself to bypass Limitless

What if Mahoraga develops a ******* black hole to counter Dabura's light

Dabura would lowk withstand it and pull of a ftl feat at that

 

[Axxtentacle]

Spoiler

That one hit likely fractured Sukuna's forearm bones and the anime easily shows Mahoraga more relative or even superior at times

that's a grinding sound effect

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Well as long as you're sure it's not skewing the measurements that's fine. Cuz it did from a glance look like a big difference

Redid it. Got higher into supersonic but it's still in supersonic. Don't think it gets much higher considering some of the debris in the background falls around the same number of pixels so it would end up around this average distance anyways I think.

Also it's easier to see in the overlay now what I mean by the middle rock is overlapping to make it seem like there's a smaller rock in the middle since I marked the length of the original

 

[Axxtentacle]

Maho had a better feat in MS in the manga. People just forget this panel exists. Shows Mahoraga's literally being torn to tiny bits:

Middle panel. Next page he's fine.

if Mahoraga's entire body was done like this he'd just die, this def aint Mahoraga (I don't see literally any features indicative of this being Mahoraga anyway)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

No one give a shit about aurora energy

Okay, this will be my last hope for it

Spoiler

Here, it's stated that the brightest auroras can generate up to at least 96 gigawatts

SWS - Space Weather - Characterising the Aurora

Dabura's aurora was done mid daylight, something that the brightest aurora could only do by sunrise (Carringon event)

Intense auroras can last around 24h to 48h. Using 24h

24h = 86400 seconds
86400*96 gigawatts = 8.2944e+15 joules

 

[LaserPrecision]

if Mahoraga's entire body was done like this he'd just die, this def aint Mahoraga (I don't see literally any features indicative of this being Mahoraga anyway)

Why would he die if the implication is that he can regenerate from that? Especially when the anime also reinforces this notion by also showing it obliterate him? The teeth give it away, as in the very next page we see Mahoraga making the exact same face. I feel like this is obvious, we see Sukuna's perspective of Mahoraga getting shredded which he used specifically against Mahoraga to kill him, see Sukuna, and then get a shot of them both. Idk why this is so contentious when the anime supports it.

Redid it. Got higher into supersonic but it's still in supersonic. Don't think it gets much higher considering some of the debris in the background falls around the same number of pixels so it would end up around this average distance anyways I think.

Also it's easier to see in the overlay now what I mean by the middle rock is overlapping to make it seem like there's a smaller rock in the middle since I marked the length of the original

Looks good. Only thing I could think of being wrong is the speed of the debris via the distance it fell. Yours seems good for now, but I'll see if I can find anything that'd help.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Btw, I never brought it up, but since I already brought the Miguel feat up (Which someone should def calc. Someone else did it with a lowball height for the skyscraper IIRC and got like High Hypersonic for Gojo), Maki has a speed feat far beyond Supersonic in her fight against Sukuna I never saw anyone bring up. It also doubles as a feat for Sukuna too that would be a really really good feat.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

@LaserPrecision @AbaddonTheDisappointment

Spoiler

Except if I'm misreading it, the aurora was created by the feet laser of Dabura, which logically had to hit the building before reaching the altitude of an aurora

However, when we see the aurora in the sky, we see that the buildings were still falling

Is it worth of any timeframe or would it be too sus?

 

[Buraqibear]

Btw, I never brought it up, but since I already brought the Miguel feat up (Which someone should def calc. Someone else did it with a lowball height for the skyscraper IIRC and got like High Hypersonic for Gojo), Maki has a speed feat far beyond Supersonic in her fight against Sukuna I never saw anyone bring up. It also doubles as a feat for Sukuna too that would be a really really good feat.

High Hypersonic huh...

@LaserPrecision @AbaddonTheDisappointment

Spoiler

Except if I'm misreading it, the aurora was created by the feet laser of Dabura, which logically had to hit the building before reaching the altitude of an aurora

However, when we see the aurora in the sky, we see that the buildings were still falling

Is it worth of any timeframe or would it be too sus?

Y'all doing all this just for it to turn it to be actual light

 

[LaserPrecision]

@LaserPrecision @AbaddonTheDisappointment

Spoiler

Except if I'm misreading it, the aurora was created by the feet laser of Dabura, which logically had to hit the building before reaching the altitude of an aurora

However, when see the aurora is already in the sky, we see that the buildings were still falling

Is it worth of any timeframe or would it be too sus?

I'd say wait for the anime, because sometimes things collapsing in anime are delayed for dramatic effect. Sort of like what anime does with swordsman where they sheath their sword, and then the person falls apart. Otherwise you would prolly be able to use it to derive a timeframe of sorts, yeah.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I'd say wait for the anime

Bruh that's gonna take 15 to 20 years

 

[Buraqibear]

Maki has a speed feat far beyond Supersonic in her fight against Sukuna I never saw anyone bring up. It also doubles as a feat for Sukuna too that would be a really really good feat.

Is it above Mach 3

 

[Buraqibear]

Bruh that's gonna take 15 to 20 years

It shouldn't take that long. Season 3 is coming out in early 2026, the final season will be in 2028 at worst and Modulo will probably start in 2030

 

[LaserPrecision]

High Hypersonic huh...

MHS actually. I was wrong tho, person assumed the skyscraper was taller than it actually was.

What someone would need to do is get the height the Curse fell to get speed, get the height of the skyscraper to where the Curse is, then like with the debris method compare distances traveled and multiply by speed. I think the feat would be High Hypersonic after the corrections are made. Not as good as the Maki/Sukuna feat I mentioned tho.

 

[Mommyleona]

what the hell is "aurora"

 

[LaserPrecision]

Is it above Mach 3

It most likely would be far beyond Mach 3, for Maki, and especially for Sukuna.

Bruh that's gonna take 15 to 20 years

Yeah, it'll prolly take a while but I dunno how CGM would vibe with using the debris to get a timeframe.

what the hell is "aurora"

The northern lights

I saw them where I live a few weeks ago. They're pretty.

Also hi Leona :3

 

[Buraqibear]

It most likely would be far beyond Mach 3, for Maki, and especially for Sukuna.

Far beyond mach 3 Maki? I don't think that's gonna happen unless Gege explicitly states he changed the Naoya statement in the anime to "Mach 874030"

The northern lights

I saw them where I live a few weeks ago. They're pretty.

Also hi Mommy :3

Woah. LP liked JJK Modulo so much she went to Shinjuku to see the Dabura vs Mahoraga fight live

 

[Mommyleona]

Also hi Leona :3

hi Laser :>

The northern lights

I saw them where I live a few weeks ago. They're pretty.

ooooohhhhh that's what it means, thanks

me no speak english