Might Guy vs Ram (Re:Zero) [8-6-0]

[Lilybitdun]

Part I & II key Might Guy is used with Seventh Gate restricted, 5 shackles released Ram is restricted, SBA otherwise

Might Guy
AP: 53.15 megatons, 265.75 megatons with Gate of Opening, far higher with Sixth Gate
Speed: 0.028c, 0.14c with Gate of Opening, even higher with Sixth Gate
LS: 1,000,000 metric tons, 5,000,000 metric tons with Gate of Opening, even higher with the Sixth Gate

Ram
AP: 40.185 megatons, at least 80.37 megatons with 2 shackles released, at least 120.555 megatons with 3 shackles release
Speed: 0.0412c, at least 0.0824c with 2 shackles released, at least 0.1648c with 3 shackles released
LS: 119 metric tons, at least 238 metric tons with 2 shackles released, at least 476 metric tons with 3 shackles released

When both in base, Might Guy has 1.32x AP advantage and massive LS advantage but Base Ram is 1.47x faster than Base Guy
1G Might Guy is 3.3x stronger and ~1.75x faster than 2 shackles Ram, it's also 2.2x stronger than 3 shackles Ram but 3 shackles Ram is at least ~1.17x faster than 1G Might Guy; Sixth Gate should be able to make up that speed gap tho

Might Guy (8): karo_senpaii, DavidTPPM, Steve1775, Kaydee1648, AlternativePrinciple, TsukasayaEmmaDCD, DaReaperMan, Thunderman101
Ram (6): Celestial_Pegasus, SatellaTheWoE, Dark_Soul20189, MasterOwOgay, Kazuma_kuwabara, VortechsTG (After grace)
Incon:

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Of all the 7-B's you chose Ram lol.

Ap and speed amps are cool, but not sure its enough to overcome the skill gap. Not to mention Ram has regen, and a limited form of durability negation.

But yea back to skill, Ram can predict movements better than mind reading, can avoid fatal damage from aoe attacks, can fight through mortal injures, danger sense, instinctive reaction, damage reduction etc.

And all this is without mentioning the skill scaling that Ram is pretty far into which includes stuff like fighting without senses and what not. Heck she beat Rai who is an extraordinary genius with like thousands of martial arts, due to sheer skill.

Unless someone can make a good argument for Guy, Ram wins comfortably imo.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Of all the 7-B's you chose Ram lol.

Ap and speed amps are cool, but not sure its enough to overcome the skill gap. Not to mention Ram has regen, and a limited form of durability negation.

But yea back to skill, Ram can predict movements better than mind reading, can avoid fatal damage from aoe attacks, can fight through mortal injures, danger sense, instinctive reaction, damage reduction etc.

And all this is without mentioning the skill scaling that Ram is pretty far into which includes stuff like fighting without senses and what not. Heck she beat Rai who is an extraordinary genius with like thousands of martial arts, due to sheer skill.

Unless someone can make a good argument for Guy, Ram wins comfortably imo.

As at almost the end of the series guy is no 1 in taijutsu in the verse so he's very skilled in his own right even though he may not be as skilled as her, he also has lot of experience fighting sharingan users so precog shouldn't be too much if an issue considering when he goes sixth gate he is almost 7 times faster.


And the op is wrong, guy is actually in the teratons in ap. She could actually die from just shockwaves here so I'm not sure of this match up.

Also does she resist madness manipulation?

 

[Lilybitdun]

And the op is wrong, guy is actually in the teratons in ap. She could actually die from just shockwaves here so I'm not sure of this match up.

What? No he isn't

Part I and 2 Might Guy:
City level+ (Knocked back Kisame<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Might_Guy#cite_note-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> and blocked a strike from him, but he was overpowered by his follow-up strike<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Might_Guy#cite_note-“NC258”-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Might_Guy#cite_note-16"><span>[</span>Note 1<span>]</span></a>), Mountain level with the First Gate (The First Gate multiplies the user’s physical strength by five times<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Might_Guy#cite_note-17"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Might_Guy#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>Note 2<span>]</span></a>), far higher with the Sixth Gate (Easily dispatched Kisame who was previously overwhelming him)

 

[karo_senpaii]

What? No he isn't

You restricted war arc?

 

[karo_senpaii]

What? No he isn't

Anyways that actually our fault in profile editing. Ki same is country level for being able to stalemate that version of sixth gate guy so it's our fault for not updating

 

[Lilybitdun]

You restricted war arc?

War Arc has an entirely different key on the profile

Key: Part I and II | War Arc | Eighth Gate

He's his first key with Seventh Gate disabled

Part I & II key Might Guy is used with Seventh Gate restricted

 

[karo_senpaii]

War Arc has an entirely different key on the profile

He's his first key with Seventh Gate disabled

Sorry man, he is still country level with sixth gate with that key, we just forgot to edit that part

 

[Lilybitdun]

Sorry man, he is still country level with sixth gate with that key, we just forgot to edit that part

But he isn't? Even in the Country Upgrade CRT sandbox, his first key's Sixth Gate isn't listed as Country level

Ghostimuscrime/Narutoverse high tiers ap revision

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[Lilybitdun]

Of all the 7-B's you chose Ram lol.

Yeah I thought 7-B's with higher forms would be neat (I like battles that factor in transformations in general)

And all this is without mentioning the skill scaling that Ram is pretty far into which includes stuff like fighting without senses and what not. Heck she beat Rai who is an extraordinary genius with like thousands of martial arts, due to sheer skill.

How actually does that work after intelligence ratings for combat skill got removed?

Establishing combat skill requirements

Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Re:Zero character is more skilled considering, ya know, it's Re:Zero

 

[karo_senpaii]

But he isn't? Even in the Country Upgrade CRT sandbox, his first key's Sixth Gate isn't listed as Country level

Ghostimuscrime/Narutoverse high tiers ap revision

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If you check the sandbox, kisame country level justification, part of it is that he pushed might guy to go sixth gate and stalemate him. It would probably change in a few hours

 

[Lilybitdun]

If you check the sandbox, kisame country level justification, part of it is that he pushed might guy to go sixth gate and stalemate him. It would probably change in a few hours

Kisame doesn't physically scale to Country level. He stalemated Sixth Gate with Water Style Thousand Feeding Sharks, Water Style is also UP to Country level, the water style used to stalemate Sixth Gate wasn't at it's max rating

Please read and use what's actually on the profiles for this match

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

How actually does that work after intelligence ratings for combat skill got removed?

Establishing combat skill requirements

Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Re:Zero character is more skilled considering, ya know, it's Re:Zero

Combat skill still exists but we don't put a rating on it apparently, will have to reedit what I was doing for some profiles, will be a pain to try and do the separation for Re:Zero, not up to editing a few dozen profiles, so that will have to wait.

Ram's profile definitely needs to be expanded on though, especially considering the Rai feats, but that's something for another day.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Kisame doesn't physically scale to Country level. He stalemated Sixth Gate with Water Style Thousand Feeding Sharks, Water Style is also UP to Country level, the water style used to stalemate Sixth Gate wasn't at it's max rating

Please read and use what's actually on the profiles for this match

??? It's not about read. I'm telling you what we're discussing on discord rn about it and it would be updated in a few hours.
That was one of the strongest water style kisame had ever used and he had access to natural water for like the first time in all his serious fights. Regardless of what you think might guy would downscale to him

 

[Lilybitdun]

I really couldn't care less, if it's not on the profile currently then it's not usable

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i am kind of confused now, but anyways, child Emilia with no training could dodge perception blitzing attacks via intent reading. Ram can also read her opponents better than if she was straight up reading their mind, as stated by pegasus above combine this with her limited dura neg wind magic + random layered invisible wind slices that will cut into gai and then add on that she coud probably copy anything he uses. I think she wins too, so voting for her

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

voting Ram FRA.

 

[karo_senpaii]

i am kind of confused now, but anyways, child Emilia with no training could dodge perception blitzing attacks via intent reading. Ram can also read her opponents better than if she was straight up reading their mind, as stated by pegasus above combine this with her limited dura neg wind magic + random layered invisible wind slices that will cut into gai and then add on that she coud probably copy anything he uses. I think she wins too, so voting for her

This doesn't work.

Ram can never hit guy. Guy can also read their opponents by just looking at their feet, is much much faster faster , not to mention substitution.

Just from gaara fight, going from first gate to fourth gate is a complete perception blitz amp, 5th gate is still higher and he still has 6th gate, has shunshin which is another blitz amp

The combo of substitution and the ridiculous speed advantage just makes him impossible to hit.

This fight might be over without her even realising what happened

 

[Lilybitdun]

if he can go above a blitz tier in speed I'm not sure what Ram would do since her intent reading only goes up to perception blitz

I'm guessing your vote is on might guy?

 

[karo_senpaii]

if he can go above a blitz tier in speed I'm not sure what Ram would do since her intent reading only goes up to perception blitz

I'm guessing your vote is on might guy?

Yes. For context, this is what the reverse lotus looks like, it starts from going to 3rd gate from first gate. So that's where rams intent reading would stop.. The speed amp keeps increasing until the fifth gate. Then there a whole new level of amp going from fifth to sixth gate which is a blitz amp, he still has another blitz amp shunshin that he can stack on top.

So yeah my vote is for might guy as there's nothing ram can do

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okay man we gotta stop acting like Guy is completely unskilled.
Guy can keep up with 3 tomoe sharingan users precog which literally shows them your next move ahead of time and allows people to make up for massive stat differences over the 2 tomoe which was already a massive perception amp on its own.

Mind you Guy trained to the point his anticipation not only allows him to keep up with sharingan users but to predict their moves just by watching their feet.
So it's something like
Guy >~ 3 tomoe sharingan >> 2 tomoe sharingan > basic analytical prediction

And for general cqc Guy can keep up with people on par if not superior to Naruto who has learned flawless martial arts before in less than a week, invented his own version of highly advanced techniques as a child, and can himself predict several steps ahead of his opponents even predicting the very predictions of his opponents.

And you're not only giving this man access to blitz amps like shunshin and substitution jutsu BUT also the 6th gate? Even the 5th gate is already a MASSIVE blitz amp that basically made Lee go from around relative to Gaaras sand to ragdolling him 0 diff.


Yeah Guy may be a fraud in my eyes, but he's not big enough fraud to lose this with so many amps stacked on top of each other.

 

[Lilybitdun]

My vote depends on what Ram's standard tactics are since her dura neg and layered invisible blades seems pretty dangerous for Guy. I'll wait for the re:zero people to explain what she normally does

 

[Kaydee1648]

Guy goes up to 6-B with the 7th gate
OP should better restrict that

 

[Lilybitdun]

Guy goes up to 6-B with the 7th gate
OP should better restrict that

It already is lol

Part I & II key Might Guy is used with Seventh Gate restricted, 5 shackles released Ram is restricted, SBA otherwise

 

[Steve1775]

The Power Of Youth FRA...also guy is not a fraud, he's just unlucky to not be a MC

 

[DavidTPPM]

The Power Of Youth FRA...also guy is not a fraud, he's just unlucky to not be a MC

Guy is not only a fraud but also the luckiest side character in all of Naruto who somehow managed to leech relevancy off of Kakashi.

But that's a topic for another day

 

[Kaydee1648]

I’m blind
Well i think i’ve got Guy on this. Guy at just the age of 11 was capable of passing the Chunin exams which required facing opponents proficient in martial arts at different levels of difficulty. Guy is the Taijutsu guy, and has the reputation for being one of the best if not the best h2h fighters in Konoha, which would put him above the likes of the Hyuga clan. As David said, Guy combat skill is above multiple levels of analytical prediction and visual precognition.

With speed amps Guy goes 5x with the first gate, and can go immensely higher with gates to the point he can blitz Kisame before he could twitch a muscle. for a better understanding; a single muscle twitch can last up to 0.02 seconds, while the fastest human reaction time is 0.15 secs. Being able to completely respond and blitz the former is an insane level of blitz.

Might Guy also has an almost 5000x LS advantage so any prolonged clash from either party is sending Rem to oblivion. Or better still, Guy can restrain rem with the front lotus since he taught rock lee the technique.

That is to say, i have almost zero (kek) knowledge on Re-Zero so i’m pm making an inference based on what’s on the profile. With that said, my Vote goes to Guy

 

[Lilybitdun]

With speed amps Guy goes 5x with the first gate, and can go immensely higher with gates to the point he can blitz Kisame before he could twitch a muscle. for a better understanding; a single muscle twitch can last up to 0.02 seconds, while the fastest human reaction time is 0.15 secs. Being able to completely respond and blitz the former is an insane level of blitz.

That muscle blitz feat is listed as a Seventh Gate feat, so that level of speed isn't available since it's restrained

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Okay man we gotta stop acting like Guy is completely unskilled.
Guy can keep up with 3 tomoe sharingan users precog which literally shows them your next move ahead of time and allows people to make up for massive stat differences over the 2 tomoe which was already a massive perception amp on its own.

Mind you Guy trained to the point his anticipation not only allows him to keep up with sharingan users but to predict their moves just by watching their feet.
So it's something like
Guy >~ 3 tomoe sharingan >> 2 tomoe sharingan > basic analytical prediction

And for general cqc Guy can keep up with people on par if not superior to Naruto who has learned flawless martial arts before in less than a week, invented his own version of highly advanced techniques as a child, and can himself predict several steps ahead of his opponents even predicting the very predictions of his opponents.

And you're not only giving this man access to blitz amps like shunshin and substitution jutsu BUT also the 6th gate? Even the 5th gate is already a MASSIVE blitz amp that basically made Lee go from around relative to Gaaras sand to ragdolling him 0 diff.


Yeah Guy may be a fraud in my eyes, but he's not big enough fraud to lose this with so many amps stacked on top of each other.

This doesn't work.

Ram can never hit guy. Guy can also read their opponents by just looking at their feet, is much much faster faster , not to mention substitution.

Just from gaara fight, going from first gate to fourth gate is a complete perception blitz amp, 5th gate is still higher and he still has 6th gate, has shunshin which is another blitz amp

The combo of substitution and the ridiculous speed advantage just makes him impossible to hit.

This fight might be over without her even realising what happened

To further add to this, sharingan not only predicts moves but also gives flawless counters to all those predictions with just the second tome. Sharingan predictions are so potent that it’s can work on hundreds of people at any given time I.e Naruto with his shadow clones in any fight against an uchiha or Madara vs Shinobi alliance and guy can go toe to toe with them while avoiding eye contact via looking at their feet

Voting for Guy here

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Fraudulent ninja fra

 

[DaReaperMan]

The one who beat All Might FRA

 

[Lilybitdun]

alright that's the start of grace then

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

To give you guys a better breakdown of synesthesia and her power mimicry

• Baseline Clairvoyance already demanded perfect synchronization with a target’s entire body and mana wavelength. Even minor movement would cause Ram severe motion sickness prior to Arc 6, and synchronization outright failed against highly skilled fighters like Roswaal.

"...I see. So by using Clairvoyance, arriving here was an easy feat for you?"

Accordingly, the presence of the visitor-nay, the intruder-was immediately made known to the devil. The devil at the entrance to the room looked down upon Ram with a questioning air and a faint whiff of bewilderment dwelling in his differently colored eyes.

Ram was keenly aware that this rare reaction from him made her chest leap with a sense of maidenly exultation.

The secret art of Clairvoyance, passed down among the Oni, did not function unless the wavelengths of the caster and the target were compatible. Naturally, if Ram exerted herself, she could match her own wavelength even to that of demon beasts, but it was a dif-ferent story where a high-rank opponent was concerned. If such an opponent closed his heart, synchronization was utterly impossible.

In other words, had Roswaal not truly opened his heart up to her, Clairvoyance could not function upon him. In point of fact, Ram had not attempted to overlap her own vision with that of Roswaal's even once up to this point.

And so, she had finally arrived at this place-really, how could she fail to feel joy?- Volume 14, Chapter 6 pages 231-232

• Half-perfected Clairvoyance (at the start of the Ley fight) represents a massive leap forward: it can remain continuously active during combat and function successfully without drawbacks before Synesthesia
• Perfected Clairvoyance goes far beyond bodily synchronization. It simultaneously links to the target’s synapses, cellular structure, and soul, allowing Ram to download, replicate, and surpass an opponent’s skills on all three levels. She can then manipulate those layers of instinct with total control over power flow, remaining effective even when Ley splits and reshapes his soul (and thus body) into multiple entities at once.

He wasn't actually kicking space but using the blade that had cut Ram's shoulder to walk through the air-a foothold whose position only he knew. Using them, he freely leaped all around the spiral staircase that covered so much of the tower. However...

"-Clairvoyance."

Even if it was impossible to perceive them with her eyes, it was simple enough to deduce their locations using the trap-setter's eyes. And so Ram used the exact same footholds, leaping out overhead even faster than Lye.

"Hah! Aha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Are you kidding? Seriously, sister?!"

"You sound almost like Barusu. Thank you, that removes any hes-itation I had to slap you down."

Ram mercilessly brought down her heel on Lye's unpleasant, stunned face.

Now, how many times will you taste the soles of my shoes until you fall down?

Lye groaned as his nose was crushed and his small body spun in midair. What stopped his ascent was Ram's kick, sending him straight down. And following up, Ram raised her hands upward, generating a wind to descend rapidly, landing a second, third, and fourth kick to Lye's face as he fell.

Mercilessly, she shattered his nose, teeth, jaw, and forehead with each blow.

Every time he called Ram sister with that grin of his was repulsive.

"Well, do you regret it?

Deftly controlling herself in midair, Ram rested her feet on his face and chest.

Not answering, Lye furrowed his bloody face in annoyance as he tried to swing the swords in his hands. But in that moment, Ram's hands slashed, dislocating both of his arms at the shoulder. No matter how amazing his techniques, He couldn't swing his arms with joints that didn't work.

"Well? Do you regret it?

Looking down at his wide-eyed, stunned face, Ram asked again.

Staring into his eyes, she looked for a sign of fear. Engraving that into him was her goal. The dread, pain and a sense of defeat so that he felt he couldn't go against her. But it wasn't for something so small as mere revenge.

"Rem..."

To get her back. And all the countless other victims of Gluttony as well. To return all those who had their names and memories, their histories stolen away from them.

If killing him was enough, Ram could do that in the blink of an eye.

With the same effort she had put into destroying his face, she could make a blade of wind on the bottom of her foot and cut his head off. Even as repulsively resilient as Witch Cultists were famed to be, it had already been demonstrated that severing their heads would still kill them.

In the burning Oni village, when she had been fighting with those that destroyed the village.

In the first place, she already knew the cultists were nothing more than a weak band of fools who happened to be hideously twisted. Because of that, she was asking him questions to destroy his spirit before ending his life.

"Well, do you regret it?"- Volume 25, Chapter 5 pages 146-147

• This also enables instant adaptation to an ability’s unique properties by exploiting the opponent’s own perception—such as using Ley’s vision to pinpoint the location of his spatial wind blades, which neither of them could directly see or sense.
• As a result, Clairvoyance allows Ram to immediately copy any technique used against her and reproduce it at a vastly higher level, regardless of whether the move is visible, perceivable, or even sensable by conventional means.

Due to this, it does not matter if Guy is initially better at her in analytical prediction or has techniques that amp him, she would just copy it. Giving her an immense advantage in speed and power

tbh, i dont have much time to explain everything in full detail so you can just take a look at custard's blog here for a more thorough dive into the skill stuff

 

[karo_senpaii]

To give you guys a better breakdown of synesthesia and her power mimicry

• Baseline Clairvoyance already demanded perfect synchronization with a target’s entire body and mana wavelength. Even minor movement would cause Ram severe motion sickness prior to Arc 6, and synchronization outright failed against highly skilled fighters like Roswaal.

• Half-perfected Clairvoyance (at the start of the Ley fight) represents a massive leap forward: it can remain continuously active during combat and function successfully without drawbacks before Synesthesia
• Perfected Clairvoyance goes far beyond bodily synchronization. It simultaneously links to the target’s synapses, cellular structure, and soul, allowing Ram to download, replicate, and surpass an opponent’s skills on all three levels. She can then manipulate those layers of instinct with total control over power flow, remaining effective even when Ley splits and reshapes his soul (and thus body) into multiple entities at once.

• This also enables instant adaptation to an ability’s unique properties by exploiting the opponent’s own perception—such as using Ley’s vision to pinpoint the location of his spatial wind blades, which neither of them could directly see or sense.
• As a result, Clairvoyance allows Ram to immediately copy any technique used against her and reproduce it at a vastly higher level, regardless of whether the move is visible, perceivable, or even sensable by conventional means.

Due to this, it does not matter if Guy is initially better at her in analytical prediction or has techniques that amp him, she would just copy it. Giving her an immense advantage in speed and power

tbh, i dont have much time to explain everything in full detail so you can just take a look at custard's blog here for a more thorough dive into the skill stuff

• Telepathy, Astral Projection, Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Illusion Creation, & Mind Manipulation (Mind & Soul - Hagoromo originally intended for chakra to be used as a "linking power" that connects people's mental energies, which would allow people to perfectly understand each other and connect on a very deep level without the use of words. This has been observed many times in the series when characters' chakra is connected directly that happens, the parties involved are able to read each other's thoughts, see through each other's memories, communicate telepathically, and feel what the other party is feeling.
• Genjutsu Nullification (Shinobi can typically break free from and nullify non-ocular genjutsu by intentionally disrupting the flow of chakra within their bodies)
• Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Information

Guy resists all this so she ain't linking anything.

Even if she did it would be pointless. Guy's amps and skills are intrinsically tied to chakra. Unless ram finds a way to give herself all chakra points, make chakra be in all her cells, wrap them on her organs and then forcefully tear open the chakra point in the process break all her bones due to lack of training, she's not going to replicate his moves or his amps.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

• Telepathy, Astral Projection, Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Illusion Creation, & Mind Manipulation (Mind & Soul - Hagoromo originally intended for chakra to be used as a "linking power" that connects people's mental energies, which would allow people to perfectly understand each other and connect on a very deep level without the use of words. This has been observed many times in the series when characters' chakra is connected directly that happens, the parties involved are able to read each other's thoughts, see through each other's memories, communicate telepathically, and feel what the other party is feeling.
• Genjutsu Nullification (Shinobi can typically break free from and nullify non-ocular genjutsu by intentionally disrupting the flow of chakra within their bodies)
• Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Information

as you said yourself, chakra and mana are not similar enough, what Ram links is with full body mana wavelength and even if you resist like with Roswaal at her current level she can forcibly change her own wavelength to match the opponents.

Plus genjutsu and clairavoyance arent even similar enough for this to work lol

Guy resists all this so she ain't linking anything.

Even if she did it would be pointless. Guy's amps and skills are intrinsically tied to chakra. Unless ram finds a way to give herself all chakra points, make chakra be in all her cells, wrap them on her organs and then forcefully tear open the chakra point in the process break all her bones due to lack of training, she's not going to replicate his moves or his amps.

She wouldnt create chakra pathways obviously, instead she would create a similar phenomena using her own techniques

She didnt have an authority but she sensed Subaru's Cor Leonis and created a similar ability, same with the spatial jails, it was a technique which took a martial art master his entire life to create and he was eaten and forgotten by gluttony. When Ley used this ability, Ram without even sensing it properly managed to perfectly recreate it and even improve upon it.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Voting for Ram FRA

I would also like to add that Guy doesn't seem to have a way of countering Ram's AoE which would shred him

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Worst girl (at least from the protagonist side) FRA

 

[karo_senpaii]

as you said yourself, chakra and mana are not similar enough, what Ram links is with full body mana wavelength and even if you resist like with Roswaal at her current level she can forcibly change her own wavelength to match the opponents.

So what mana wavelength does guy have for her to link with?

Plus genjutsu and clairavoyance arent even similar enough for this to work lol

They don't need to be similar. What doesn't change is that anyone trying to link with guy's body or mind be it in form of mind manipulation, or soul, or telepathy e.t.c he would be protected by his own chakra already.

She wouldnt create chakra pathways obviously, instead she would create a similar phenomena using her own techniques

Similar how? Explain? Chakra pathways are wrapped around all your organs and fully intertwined. Unless she wants to reconstruct her body she can't do that.

She didnt have an authority but she sensed Subaru's Cor Leonis and created a similar ability, same with the spatial jails, it was a technique which took a martial art master his entire life to create and he was eaten and forgotten by gluttony. When Ley used this ability, Ram without even sensing it properly managed to perfectly recreate it and even improve upon it.

Yeah no that's still just a technique. You're talking of recreating a power system. That's BS. Also if she does do it? She kills herself faster. She gets not amps from first gate. First gate allows you uses 100% of your muscles which in Naruto verse you usually use 20%. It doesn't exist for ram so it would amp nothing. From second gate upwards due to lack of training she just kills herself from using it honestly.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah Karo is right. Without verse equalization copying the gates is physically impossible because they work specifically on unique physiological aspects of Naruto characters. And even for them it's considered horribly dangerous without the proper training.
Guy also just doesn't have a "mana wavelength".

So without direct 1:1 verse equalization, which you admitted isn't possible, copying the gates is a no go

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So what mana wavelength does guy have for her to link with?

Ram does not require the target to possess mana or a mana wavelength.
she adapts her own wavelength to the opponent’s state and synchronizes directly with body, synapses, and soul.

They don't need to be similar. What doesn't change is that anyone trying to link with guy's body or mind be it in form of mind manipulation, or soul, or telepathy e.t.c he would be protected by his own chakra already.

Chakra is not a passive, universal immunity to mental, soul, or informational interaction. In Naruto, chakra users are routinely affected unless they actively disrupt the interaction. Claiming chakra “already protects him” requires proof of a passive resistance to soul-level synchronization, which hasn’t been shown. In fact the reason Guy even learnt to read his opponents from the movement of their feet is precisely because of this.

Genjutsu is illusion based and works by altering perception via chakra injection. Ram’s Clairvoyance is direct synchronization, not illusion or perception manipulation. Which is why genjutsu resistances do not automatically apply.

Similar how? Explain? Chakra pathways are wrapped around all your organs and fully intertwined. Unless she wants to reconstruct her body she can't do that.

Ram does not recreate chakra pathways or specific biologies, she synchronizes with the opponent and reproduces the resulting phenomenon using her own system, which is consistent with how she has copied abilities she had no prior framework for such as authorities

Yeah no that's still just a technique. You're talking of recreating a power system. That's BS.

The Eight Gates are simply one method of achieving extreme physical output by forcibly removing chakra limiters, not the output itself, so Ram does not need to open Gates to replicate Guy’s skill, timing, and power routing through mana reinforcement.

Also if she does do it? She kills herself faster. She gets not amps from first gate. First gate allows you uses 100% of your muscles which in Naruto verse you usually use 20%. It doesn't exist for ram so it would amp nothing. From second gate upwards due to lack of training she just kills herself from using it honestly.

Claiming that she would kill herself faster is speculative, as Clairvoyance optimizes movement and execution rather than causing reckless strain, and no feat is shown where copying a technique inherently results in greater self-damage than the original user.

Not to mention, Ram has regeneration as well so she just heals.