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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

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Part of me agrees that Base Sonic and Shadow are top 2 and no one else is on their tier. Hence why Tails to an extent shouldnt scale to their best.
 
Whenever Pac-Man collects a Power Pellet while in the Sonic outfit, he uses the Chaos Emeralds to transform into the Super form. So as a powerscaler, that's cool.
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
I kind of agree. I think people like Blaze and Knuckles can scale to their best from statements, though.
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Silver, Knuckles, Blaze, Metal, Omega and whatnot while in theory should comparable at least in some area in practice, generally are still inferior enough that overall theyd all be down a tier compared them.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Silver, Knuckles, Blaze, Metal, Omega and whatnot while in theory should comparable at least in some area in practice, generally are still inferior enough that overall theyd all be down a tier compared them.
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Knuckles, Omega, and other power types are physically stronger and are consistently portrayed as decent rivals for Sonic and Shadow.
And Silver’s and Metal Sonic’s powers are directly stated to at least allow him to compete with them.
The analogy I use is try to gauge the characters as percentages. Silver and Metal can be 95% Sonic, but that 5% gap is a huge difference when Sonic and Shadow lock in.
 
JED said:
Knuckles, Omega, and other power types are physically stronger and are consistently portrayed as decent rivals for Sonic and Shadow.
And Silver’s and Metal Sonic’s powers are directly stated to at least allow him to compete with them.
The analogy I use is try to gauge the characters as percentages. Silver and Metal can be 95% Sonic, but that 5% gap is a huge difference when Sonic and Shadow lock in.
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Knux and Omega have physical strength to match but no speed. Blaze has speed but not enough strength.

Metal should be there but he is jobbericus maximus lol

Silver... might actually compare, but he has no statements that say he matches Sonic and Shadow from recent times... Right?

Shadow's abilities and Sonic's protagonist HIM powers are too stronk.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Knux and Omega have physical strength to match but no speed. Blaze has speed but not enough strength.

Metal should be there but he is jobbericus maximus lol

Silver... might actually compare, but he has no statements that say he matches Sonic and Shadow from recent times... Right?

Shadow's abilities and Sonic's protagonist HIM powers are too stronk.
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I mean all of ‘em can rival each other in the Sonic Rivals game. Knuckles and Silver can probably keep up
 
More Knuckles Chaotix stuff. Hopefully I'll get the Master Emerald to mean something in scaling in the future.
The Dark Rings were born as a result of Dr. Eggman's research into the Chaos Rings, where he managed to artificially recreate them by crystallizing the energy of the Chaos Rings into the Dark Rings, which was used to power Eggman's Badniks and machines. The bigger the Dark Ring, the more potent the machine would be as a result.

Small Dark Ring = Badniks who are one-shotted by the main cast. Comparable to a Chaos Ring, thus comparable to the Non-Full Power of the Master Emerald.
Medium Dark Ring = Machines comparable to the main cast that Eggman uses in his encounters, which also may be what powers the Metal Sonic present in this title as he can harm them with the V. Maximum Overdrive Attack.
Massive Dark Ring = The Dark Ring that was used to birth Metal Sonic Kai, which the power of 5 Chaos Rings could not overcome, requiring all 6 instead.
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Knuckles Chaotix, Knuckles Chaotix (JP) Manual, Sonic Encyclo-speed-ia.
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Since Crossworlds introduced the idea that super forms are resistant to hammerspace manipulation, is it fair to say the Emeralds themselves have a baseline protection against being ripped out of Sonic now? Or are the two too different to be equated.
 
JJSliderman said:
Since Crossworlds introduced the idea that super forms are resistant to hammerspace manipulation, is it fair to say the Emeralds themselves have a baseline protection against being ripped out of Sonic now? Or are the two too different to be equated.
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It wouldn’t be far fetched to say that they could resist being stolen, however I believe it’s a safer bet to assume it’s while the users are in their Super forms.

Also, how did you know I’d been discussing this exact thing today🙃 https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/s/z3auatLcP1
 
Technically Frontiers had Ancient's tech rip out Emeralds between islands in Super Forms, so that debate isnt clearcut if you dont give racing spinoff benefit of doubt.

this will be brought in Mewtwo Shadow rematch
 
TMaakkonen said:
Technically Frontiers had Ancient's tech rip out Emeralds between islands in Super Forms, so that debate isnt clearcut if you dont give racing spinoff benefit of doubt.

this will be brought in Mewtwo Shadow rematch
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Pretty sure it was because the tech was supposed to be so strong it knocked Sonic out of his super form rather than ripping them out, which is a pretty big anti-feat for Sonic considering they're supposed to only be almost on par with the eclipse canon. Star level Super Sonic at best with wank ig ignore the titans being both narratively and implied to be the Ancients strongest weapons and the fact Sage didn't consider to use that tech on The End
 
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The Sonic Tax really does exist. Most other verses almost NEVER get this degree of scrutiny.

Silver Surfer gets knocked out by a Mexican with a sledge hammer
Extreme low end, anybody with common sense knows it
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Super Sonic gets knocked out by an exploding Prison Egg while saving Vanilla
Extreme high end, everything else is either a misinterpretation or an outlier, anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass
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Its bit ironic since VSW is like the one place that doesnt use low ends lol

Have you been to 4Chan's co DB threads? Thats like the only place Ive seen Prison Egg thing being talked lmao
 
Issen_Mk_III said:
The Sonic Tax really does exist. Most other verses almost NEVER get this degree of scrutiny.
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Def a bit exaggerated cause I doubt even most of Sonic downplayers are looking at the exploding capsule and genuinely believing it to be Sonic's limit. I do kinda agree tho and honestly I think I'm guilty of it to an extent as well

Also that rlly happened to Silver Surfer?
 
TMaakkonen said:
Its bit ironic since VSW is like the one place that doesnt use low ends lol

Have you been to 4Chan's co DB threads? Thats like the only place Ive seen Prison Egg thing being talked lmao
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I've never seen someone actually bring it up in the wild, but if someone wanted to be that petty...
 
TMaakkonen said:
Its bit ironic since VSW is like the one place that doesnt use low ends lol

Have you been to 4Chan's co DB threads? Thats like the only place Ive seen Prison Egg thing being talked lmao
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Most of the time it's just one guy that spams shit, too.
 
Issen_Mk_III said:
Silver Surfer gets knocked out by a Mexican with a sledge hammer
Extreme low end, anybody with common sense knows it
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Reminded me of a post about somebody joking that Spiderman, Wolverine & Black Panther could jump Silver Surfer.
Thanos has no sold Silver Surfer energy attacks. Wolverine has stabbed Thanos & amazed Thor with his combat speed. Black Panther having restrained Silver Surfer & fought Wolverine. Spiderman has staggered Thanos with his blows, beaten Firelord (another Herald of Galactus) and overpowered Wolverine.
 
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TMaakkonen said:
Technically Frontiers had Ancient's tech rip out Emeralds between islands in Super Forms, so that debate isnt clearcut if you dont give racing spinoff benefit of doubt.

this will be brought in Mewtwo Shadow rematch
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I think this is more like a feat for the Ancient's technology (layered hammerspace manipulation 😱).

I mean, they are the oldest (and most advanced) civilization we know who used the emeralds for practically everything in their society; they used them to escape their planet, to create the Titans and to create Cyberspace. So I wouldn't be surprised if they had methods of using the emeralds' own energy to neutralize someone using their power (as exemplified when one of the lasers directly neutralize a Super Form).
 
It probably should be layered manipulation, but it does mean there is a way to steal Emeralds from Super users.

How many even have layered item removal
 
TheStinkeer said:
Def a bit exaggerated cause I doubt even most of Sonic downplayers are looking at the exploding capsule and genuinely believing it to be Sonic's limit.
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Actually now that I think about it, it might not be as exaggerated since I remember some people were even saying Time Eater doesn't erase space and time even before the rewrite made it somewhat understandable, albeit it seemed to be a very few amount but was still crazy.

Similarly it also slightly bugs me when people downplay Infinite with the whole "he was beat by Base Sonic and an OC" cause it's ignoring a lot of things
 
TMaakkonen said:
It probably should be layered manipulation, but it does mean there is a way to steal Emeralds from Super users.

How many even have layered item removal
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Perhaps? IDK if it's that cut & dry either, it seems like the emeralds will hold on to the user for dear life when the situation is dire enough, otherwise that Supreme energy ball would've sent them to the other side of the multiverse. You can't just yank em from someone willy nilly, they have some kind of powerful anchor.
 
I agree w/the idea of Super resisting hammerspace manip. Slime can't make Super drop items and Dark Chao can't replace them.
 
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