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[Comiphorous]

You'd be shocked how much ******' theory got onto that dogshit page that I dissed from day 1 for a reason.

My poor children Fazbear Frights profiles, borderline abused.

unrelated, but this version of william has some goated Social Influencing which can easily be used in combat, it's actually kinda evil how easily that's combat applicable compared to games william.

 

[DaReaperMan]

My poor children Fazbear Frights profiles, borderline abused.

unrelated, but this version of william has some goated Social Influencing which can easily be used in combat.

Is it DSAF Henry good?

 

[Comiphorous]

Is it DSAF Henry good?

This mf is using memories of the night guard's first love to make him fall into a false sense of security while he has a an actual animatronic statue grabbing onto him (which he brought to life???)

It's not "kill people by telling them the truth" but good lord this man uses everything he possible can from a person's memories to **** with them it's actually impressive. He's convincing Hudson that he's going fking mental lmaooo

 

[DaReaperMan]

This mf is using memories of the night guard's first love to make him fall into a false sense of security while he has a an actual animatronic statue grabbing onto him (which he brought to life???)

It's not "kill people by telling them the truth" but good lord this man uses everything he possible can from a person's memories to **** with them it's actually impressive.

Then he says

"I am agony!"

Puppet and the nearest dumpster:

 

[Comiphorous]

Then he says

"I am agony!"

Puppet and the nearest dumpster:

Oh agony, thank god you die so quickly you'll be the easiest key to do.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh agony, thank god you die so quickly you'll be the easiest key to do.

He shows up, looks intimidating, then Puppet immediately ******* wrecks him with little effort, it's actually hilarious a certain someone tried to take him saying that shit at face value to make him the strongest agony user lmfao

 

[Comiphorous]

He shows up, looks intimidating, then Puppet immediately ******* wrecks him with little effort, it's actually hilarious a certain someone tried to take him saying that shit at face value to make him the strongest agony user lmfao

Nah he does some other shit, iirc he busts through a factory wall and stabs the mc to give him some afton remnant disease. He doesn't die too fast but the second the puppet shows up the guy gets ****** cuz apparently the puppet could absorb whatever energy was keeping him like that.

 

[Comiphorous]

This mf is using memories of the night guard's first love to make him fall into a false sense of security while he has a an actual animatronic statue grabbing onto him (which he brought to life???)

It's not "kill people by telling them the truth" but good lord this man uses everything he possible can from a person's memories to **** with them it's actually impressive. He's convincing Hudson that he's going fking mental lmaooo

Nvm this mf scared Hudson with his shit so bad he pissed himself, cried, and babbled, and go to fetal position. World's greatest Afton Social Influencing.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Nvm this mf scared Hudson with his shit so bad he pissed himself, cried, and babbled, and go to fetal position. World's greatest Afton Social Influencing.

He just said the N word to a Twitter user. Hudson was the Twitter user.

 

[Comiphorous]

fazbearfrightswilliam

vsbattles.fandom.com

Springtrap key is just about done, leaving his Agony key. Games william wished he was this haxed lmao.

 

[Comiphorous]

fazbearfrightswilliam

vsbattles.fandom.com

Springtrap key is just about done, leaving his Agony key. Games william wished he was this haxed lmao.

also for whoever was selling the idea that William's illusions broke Ludson's wrist and spine, no the **** they don't, Springtrap explicitly does both of those things but it's to lead into another one of Hudson's past memories William is using to **** with Hudson.

The only illusions that hurt Hudson in that entire story was a foxy hook that started moving on the wall and slashed him on the back.

 

[DaReaperMan]

also for whoever was selling the idea that William's illusions broke Ludson's wrist and spine, no the ** they don't, Springtrap explicitly does both of those things but it's to lead into another one of Hudson's past memories William is using to ** with Hudson.

The only illusions that hurt Hudson in that entire story was a foxy hook that started moving on the wall and slashed him on the back.

Make a profile for FF Puppet too, for funsies.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

When will the pregnancy hax be added

the pregnancy hax belongs to a virtual recreation of Springtrap, not William

 

[Comiphorous]

fazbearfrightswilliam

vsbattles.fandom.com

His page is almost done. just need to write a few things for his intelligence and summary, and finish William's weird soul disease hax thing he does.

 

[OrangeFR]

Then he says

"I am agony!"

Puppet and the nearest dumpster:

My goat the Tangle/blob would never.
Also apparently the tunnels it makes got calced into the tier 8 ranges I think, and there is like earthquake shit in one of the SB endings that it does IIRC, so if somebody would like, do calcs we could maybe get tier 8/7 games FNAF

 

[Comiphorous]

Then he says

"I am agony!"

Puppet and the nearest dumpster:

Also it is crazy how abrupt William just dies there. Like one minute he's ******* up a forklift and suddenly he just falls over pulling himself apart. He still lowkey cool as hell in that form but it's crazy he just dies suddenly like that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also it is crazy how abrupt William just dies there. Like one minute he's ******* up a forklift and suddenly he just falls over pulling himself apart. He still lowkey cool as hell in that form but it's crazy he just dies suddenly like that.

Gotta write standard tactics for all keys now

 

[OrangeFR]

Gotta write standard tactics for all keys now

I think I’ve seen like 3 profiles on the wiki that have that, ain’t nobody doing that shit

 

[Comiphorous]

I think I’ve seen like 3 profiles on the wiki that have that, ain’t nobody doing that shit

he's one of the few profiles which probably need it, especially for his second key since it's a bit confusing on what he really does. his first and last key are self explanatory he just spams his available hax before killing them physically.

But at the same time **** that dude i hate writing that shit lowkey.

 

[DaReaperMan]

he's one of the few profiles which probably need it, especially for his second key since it's a bit confusing on what he really does. his first and last key are self explanatory he just spams his available hax before killing them physically.

But at the same time **** that dude i hate writing that shit lowkey.

I can probably write it for Agony and first key lol

 

[Comiphorous]

I can probably write it for Agony and first key lol

Go for it, i'm gonna write something up for his second key.

 

[Comiphorous]

fazbearfrightswilliam

vsbattles.fandom.com

His page is almost done. just need to write a few things for his intelligence and summary, and finish William's weird soul disease hax thing he does.

This profile doesn't even take into account anything outside of the specific stories he's not directly in and it's still more haxxed than the entirety of Games, Novels, and TJOC william.

Fazbear Frights Afton mogs, unfortunately.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Go for it, i'm gonna write something up for his second key.

Spoiler: Springtrap

Afton primarily opens with Stealth if possible; acting as an inanimate object while plaguing his victims with his various abilities, primarily subjective reality and illusions for a time before rushing in and brutally attacking his victim in a Melee, throwing them around and using any bladed objects in the environment on them.

Spoiler: The Agony

The Agony when first created will start absorbing any metal objects into itself, looking to get even bigger and stronger while rushing down the opponent, blowing through the environment to getting to them as fast as possible, inflicting his soul plague with any melee attack actually landed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This profile doesn't even take into account anything outside of the specific stories he's not directly in and it's still more haxxed than the entirety of Games, Novels, and TJOC william.

Fazbear Frights Afton mogs, unfortunately.

Tabber and reference the standard tactics section, add the fact he tends to play with his food with hax into his weaknesses for first key

 

[Perequeliri993]

You know, after seeing everyone's opinions, I believe I have come to a consensus that I would like everyone's opinions on:

The main issue with having the same remnant across both continuities is that it gives unrealistic abilities to the games, even with the three character rule. I've found the root of the problem and a way to circumvent it without it being completely vibes based.

First rule: For the ability to be in the page, it has to have been shown by at least three characters, with some very few exceptions for things either explicitely said to be remnant-originated (like freezing water) or things that don't take a great leap in logic to assume they are universal (like Michael's immortality for remnant infused humans).

Second rule: The characters have to show that use of the ability in specific. For example, all the toys can make lights flicker, so it makes sense other mid tier and up remnant users can. Similarly, all the classics can distort the cams and outright disable the doors and lights, so high tier and up remnant users should scale. However only Foxy can outright drain energy from the building, so only he scales to that.
This would eliminate most of the outlandish haxes in the peak tiers, as most use those haxes in vastly different ways, that should not cross-scale. I'll have to see later how this would make the page look, but I believe it's the best of both worlds.

 

[Comiphorous]

You know, after seeing everyone's opinions, I believe I have come to a consensus that I would like everyone's opinions on:

The main issue with having the same remnant across both continuities is that it gives unrealistic abilities to the games, even with the three character rule. I've found the root of the problem and a way to circumvent it without it being completely vibes based.

First rule: For the ability to be in the page, it has to have been shown by at least three characters, with some very few exceptions for things either explicitely said to be remnant-originated (like freezing water) or things that don't take a great leap in logic to assume they are universal (like Michael's immortality for remnant infused humans).

Second rule: The characters have to show that use of the ability in specific. For example, all the toys can make lights flicker, so it makes sense other mid tier and up remnant users can. Similarly, all the classics can distort the cams and outright disable the doors and lights, so high tier and up remnant users should scale. However only Foxy can outright drain energy from the building, so only he scales to that.
This would eliminate most of the outlandish haxes in the peak tiers, as most use those haxes in vastly different ways, that should not cross-scale. I'll have to see later how this would make the page look, but I believe it's the best of both worlds.

I feel like it should be narrowed down more though. I think peak tier and to an extent high tier remnant should be removed. once you get to those levels the spirits are typically not even the norm at all and aren't really universal abilities shared between that many people (except for some exceptions with high tier remnant) and is just powerful spirits which defeats the purpose of it being universal abilities shared with remnant users. Agony should be it's own page though since that's a fazbear frights specific thing.

Otherwise, I don't mind this idea. I'd be willing to do this.

 

[Comiphorous]

I feel like it should be narrowed down more though. I think peak tier and to an extent high tier remnant should be removed. once you get to those levels the spirits are typically not even the norm at all and aren't really universal abilities shared between that many people (except for some exceptions with high tier remnant) and is just powerful spirits which defeats the purpose of it being universal abilities shared with remnant users. Agony should be it's own page though since that's a fazbear frights specific thing.

Otherwise, I don't mind this idea. I'd be willing to do this.

One issue i do find is that some characters are going to contradict abilities from lower remnant abilities.

William Afton, one of the most powerful remnant and agony users in the series, was temporarily killed with suffocation before being brought back by Andrew. so either it's an oopsie and we ignore it or nobody gets type 1 self-sustenance. It's another reason i wanted separation by continuity.

 

[Perequeliri993]

I feel like it should be narrowed down more though. I think peak tier and to an extent high tier remnant should be removed. once you get to those levels the spirits are typically not even the norm at all and aren't really universal abilities shared between that many people (except for some exceptions with high tier remnant) and is just powerful spirits which defeats the purpose of it being universal abilities shared with remnant users.

Peak tier could just be used to the most general of general abilities: general emotions feats for when there's too much in one place, and similar things. Bassically some hax that most often than not are not really that useful, but are pretty generic.

Agony should be it's own page though since that's a fazbear frights specific thing.

Honestly, Remnant and Agony are so similar hax-wise that it feels like a waste creating a whole 'nother page just for it. We can just rename the page to "Remnant and Agony" and it should be practically the same. More so taking in consideration the rules I said before, as it bassically strips Agony of some of its most individual characteristics, like the non-mid tier perception manip, pain manip, memory manip, life manip, etc.
It bassically becomes remnant with a different coat of paint, since it's most notable haxs are from peak tiers.

One issue i do find is that some characters are going to contradict abilities from lower remnant abilities.

William Afton, one of the most powerful remnant and agony users in the series, was temporarily killed with suffocation before being brought back by Andrew. so either it's an oopsie and we ignore it or nobody gets type 1 self-sustenance. It's another reason i wanted separation by continuity.

Would be fine with removing it. The general rule of thumb is that they use it if they are capable of it. Despite Mike not being capable of breathing due to lacking lungs in SL, in fnaf 3 when he regains them, he is shown needing to. Seems to be a case of "They need to do it if they have the capability, not otherwise".

 

[Comiphorous]

Peak tier could just be used to the most general of general abilities: general emotions feats for when there's too much in one place, and similar things. Bassically some hax that most often than not are not really that useful, but are pretty generic.

I think it should renamed if we do that, from peak-tier to just something else that fits more with that idea, but i don't hate that idea.

Honestly, Remnant and Agony are so similar hax-wise that it feels like a waste creating a whole 'nother page just for it. We can just rename the page to "Remnant and Agony" and it should be practically the same. More so taking in consideration the rules I said before, as it bassically strips Agony of some of its most individual characteristics, like the non-mid tier perception manip, pain manip, memory manip, life manip, etc.
It bassically becomes remnant with a different coat of paint, since it's most notable haxs are from peak tiers.

Fair enough.

Would be fine with removing it. The general rule of thumb is that they use it if they are capable of it. Despite Mike not being capable of breathing due to lacking lungs in SL, in fnaf 3 when he regains them, he is shown needing to. Seems to be a case of "They need to do it if they have the capability, not otherwise".

Yeah i think it's a case by case, assume they can't unless it's said otherwise.

 

[Perequeliri993]

I think it should renamed if we do that, from peak-tier to just something else that fits more with that idea, but i don't hate that idea.

I don't think so? High-concentration feats are likely only usable by this tier of characters, and they do have all previous tiers' abilities, putting them above latter. I know the name sounds a little too grandiose for what it ultimately is, but what other option do we have that still shows they are above the high tiers? Higher tiers? Doesn't roll off the tongue nearly as well.

Fair enough.

Yeah i think it's a case by case, assume they can't unless it's said otherwise.

Great to hear so. Now is time to wait for DaReaper's opinions, and I know he is very against using the books.

 

[Comiphorous]

I don't think so? High-concentration feats are likely only usable by this tier of characters, and they do have all previous tiers' abilities, putting them above latter. I know the name sounds a little too grandiose for what it ultimately is, but what other option do we have that still shows they are above the high tiers? Higher tiers? Doesn't roll off the tongue nearly as well.

That's fair.

Great to hear so. Now is time to wait for DaReaper's opinions, and I know he is very against using the books.

I mean it isn't that bad, the way your rules would work most of the fazbear frights abilities would vanish anyways, and the ones that remained would be way too high up for any game characters to use anyways. It's basically removing the books from it with extra steps, besides leaving some basic stuff.

 

[Perequeliri993]

That's fair.

Good to see you understand my point.

I mean it isn't that bad, the way your rules would work most of the fazbear frights abilities would vanish anyways, and the ones that remained would be way too high up for any game characters to use anyways. It's basically removing the books from it with extra steps, besides leaving some basic stuff.

And the basic stuff it leaves is more than likely what the books wanted us to understand in correlation with the games anyways, so it's a win-win

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'll always be against using other continuities, but if I'm outvoted, Tom shrugging image. It's better than Shion's ideas.

 

[Perequeliri993]

I'll always be against using other continuities, but if I'm outvoted, Tom shrugging image. It's better than Shion's ideas.

You shouldn't worry too much. Literally the only traces of the books that are left is basic "Emotions freeze water" and similar, basically irrelevant abilities.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You shouldn't worry too much. Literally the only traces of the books that are left is basic "Emotions freeze water" and similar, basically irrelevant abilities.

It's not by hax I'm worried, it's in general.

 

[Comiphorous]

I'll always be against using other continuities, but if I'm outvoted, Tom shrugging image. It's better than Shion's ideas.

In a perfect world we'd seperate continuities, i'd make a remnant page for fazbear frights and FF William's page would be out tonight but i don't think supporters are going to agree with that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

In a perfect world we'd seperate continuities, i'd make a remnant page for fazbear frights and FF William's page would be out tonight but i don't think supporters are going to agree with that.

That would require people to stop taking a vague ass comment from Scott as gospel. And we know that will never happen.

 

[OrangeFR]

In a perfect world we'd seperate continuities, i'd make a remnant page for fazbear frights and FF William's page would be out tonight but i don't think supporters are going to agree with that.

In a real perfect world we would get a full confirmation as to what applies to what continuities but like, this is FNAF there is no way that is ever happening.

 

[OrangeFR]

That would require people to stop taking a vague ass comment from Scott as gospel. And we know that will never happen.

There are a few statements that all kinda say similar stuff about it from him, IDK I might go digging for a few more of them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

There are a few statements that all kinda say similar stuff about it from him, IDK I might go digging for a few more of them.

Grab em all and give sources, mate.