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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

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Kid Monkey vs Fox Girl (Goku vs Miyabi) (0-0-0)

Son Goku (963 Tons): Goku is in character. Great Ape is restricted. Hoshimi Miyabi (448 Tons): Miyabi is in character. Vital View is restricted. The fight takes place in the Mount Paozu, starting 5 meters apart. Both with direct field of vision. Equal speed and SBA from the rest.
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just some stuff i thought about recently that i think could probably be included in a CRT at some point, but i think miyabi has good arguments for both supernatural willpower and superhuman stamina

for supernatural willpower, miyabi was able to fight continuously within the confines of her mindscape realm even while actively having her health drained away by tailless' foxfire. even despite the foxfire intensifying, miyabi continues to fight to the point of pushing herself to complete exhaustion. the spirits within tailless continuously whispered into her mind as she kept fighting, coercing her to kill, and despite it all, miyabi refused. it was miyabi's own willpower that allowed her to overcome the fate tailless' previous users had succumbed to, allowing her to utilize the blade's power for her own noble goals and ambitions. the recent dev talk even specifically says that tailless had "corrupted miyabi's will," with miyabi being able to fight off the effects and conquer the blade's power.

for superhuman stamina, miyabi was able to fight against a constant horde of ethereals nonstop in her mindscape realm as aforementioned, but she was also fighting off ethereals in the VR world during yanagi's special episode for a prolonged amount of time. yanagi manages to escape the VR world, an undisclosed amount of time passes but it's implied to at least have been several hours, and she returns to miyabi still fighting (i think it's also worth noting that she was continuously fighting while injured, as she had broken her own wrist prior to this to prevent herself from attacking yanagi while her body was being controlled.) she should also just at the very least be comparable to if not superior to burnice, who lighter had to fight for an entire day just to tire out

also a more minor thing, soukaku should have resistance to poison. she mentions oni having livers that can detox things they digest, and, like ellen, she's one of few people who can actually stomach eating rina's food, which can make people feel genuinely ill when consumed
 
Alright so I just finished the story and it seems to be that Ye Shunguang should be normally 8-C but scales to 8-A with the use of her Qingming Sword
 
Naito-desu said:
Alright so I just finished the story and it seems to be that Ye Shunguang should be normally 8-C but scales to 8-A with the use of her Qingming Sword
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huh, i was kinda under the opposite impression actually. wasn't there some dialogue that suggested that the qingming sword gave her power surpassing that of a void hunter's? i don't recall where it was said but if anything i feel like that'd moreso imply 8-A base and higher with the qingming sword
 
I was under the impression her base power is not quite to that level based on who she fought. We'll see when the next patch rolls around
 
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Naito-desu said:
I was under the impression her base power is not quite to that level based on who she fought. We'll see when the next patch rolls around
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that probably makes more sense narratively tbh, but yeah i'd say it's probably best to wait until next patch to get a better consensus on her rating
 
Thanks to Kisaragi, we already have one mod approval but we need another and it's taking so long 💔
 
Naito-desu said:
Does anyone wanna apply the changes, or I'll do it?
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You should I think, Soshi isn't online ATM and I can't do the editing because mobile is pretty hard to be navigate even with desktop mode lel

EDIT: but even then that new guy arguments need to be answered, I don't want us to get painted in a wrong way
 
At worst, the Bringer calc may have to be nixed cause he has a point, but we still have the DEB calc. The argument about resistances is really just splitting hairs because there are tons of instances where build-up is lodged as resistance, and can be contextualized anyway.
 
Naito-desu said:
At worst, the Bringer calc may have to be nixed cause he has a point, but we still have the DEB calc. The argument about resistances is really just splitting hairs because there are tons of instances where build-up is lodged as resistance, and can be contextualized anyway.
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yeah i think at worst we could probably just drop the bringer calc and astra's intangibility, but we can still just have VH tiers upscale from the other class M calc if anything

i do get what he's saying with the whole ether resistance thing but i think agents explicitly being able to fight off corruption longer than the average person as a result of their high ether aptitudes warrants an inherent resistance to the effects. don't really think it's something that's super complicated imo
 
Naito-desu said:
No we're keeping this because if we're dropping this we'll have to revise the whole ass profiles to excluse the loads of gameplay stuff we've already included
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fair enough

have we implemented the changes to the profiles yet? if not i can do it
 
Sooshirohl said:
i do get what he's saying with the whole ether resistance thing but i think agents explicitly being able to fight off corruption longer than the average person as a result of their high ether aptitudes warrants an inherent resistance to the effects. don't really think it's something that's super complicated imo
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It's explicitly the Ether doing this, and given that the characters can resist Ether doing this, ergo, they resist it. Doesn't mean they resist all the hax, just it manifesting in Ether.

And yeah, please implement them. Including Astra's intangibility. For now, link Dead End Butcher to Miyabi's calc while Bringer's is disputed.
 
Section 6 scaling to VH tier was only a possibly, right? Also i'll probably add Yixuan's profile already, screw Bringer i hate hhim
 
ItzLivyx said:
Section 6 scaling to VH tier was only a possibly, right? Also i'll probably add Yixuan's profile already, screw Bringer i hate hhim
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yeah section 6 scaling to VH tier is only a possibly. i don't think they're fully at VH tier obviously but i do think they should likely at least be stronger than the rest of the main cast. i think them just upscaling from the baseline stats we have for everyone is probably fine
 
ItzLivyx said:
Section 6 scaling to VH tier was only a possibly, right? Also i'll probably add Yixuan's profile already, screw Bringer i hate hhim
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Idk if that part was even agreed on but you're welcome to try. I'm lowkey tired of having to carry the arguments but it is needed to check ourselves sometimes.
 
Alright, thanks for the help Sooshi. What should we do with the thread? Just close it or leave it as is? I'll be off for awhile, so I won't have much opportunity to continue.
 
Naito-desu said:
Alright, thanks for the help Sooshi. What should we do with the thread? Just close it or leave it as is? I'll be off for awhile, so I won't have much opportunity to continue.
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i guess we can just leave it as is for now. if any mods do end up taking issue with anything in the CRT we can address it as needed. we got the approval though and the changes have been properly implemented, so i think things should be fine for the time benig
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
You should I think, Soshi isn't online ATM and I can't do the editing because mobile is pretty hard to be navigate even with desktop mode lel

EDIT: but even then that new guy arguments need to be answered, I don't want us to get painted in a wrong way
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I’m at work so I can’t reply as soon as I wish, I wish the staff could have gave more input before yall closed the thread, like the one that voted before I came through.
It’s fine for now, whenever I get time I’m opening a thread for the Ether stuff, since the profiles have a lot of abilities that are gameplay locked I’ll wait before I touch up on that again, since it’ll need a lot of sandboxing n some more bs.

I had something typed up abt the DEB calc but it was closed before I could send it so I’ll send it here.

1. The blog doesn’t show where they got the length for Butcher’s sledgehammer. It needs to be put in the blog so it can be fact checked.
2. Butcher’s sledge hammer is isn’t made entirely of steel (I’m assuming that’s what the mace in question is made of), it’s mostly compromised of ethereal matter with a street light as the head (also surrounded by EM).
We don’t know how dense EM is but it looks like a rocky substance and has been described as crystals in game.
3. The blog doesn’t link the timeframe of the feat either, it doesn’t even link the same video the image used for the pixel scale is from. That blog is missing a lot of scans actually. Impossible to verify the speed.
4. One of the problems with using gameplay exclusive scenes for calcs is that you cannot scale attacks traditionally. Like, if Butcher has an attack that produces (example number) 10kg of force, then you can only scale off of that one attack. Not all of his attacks are going to have that level of force behind them as they can be slower, reducing the amount of force behind them.
So this spinning attack can only apply to Agents if they can actually parry it, iirc it doesn’t trigger a defensive assist and it doesn’t interact with parries tied to characters. I’ll have to check when I get off but even ignoring this, the calc shouldn’t be used rn.
 
Is there a calc that found the size of that ship Miyabi fought bringer on? I plan on
nuking Miyabi’s 8-A calc tmr but I have smth in mind that might get Miyabi above 8-A.
 
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