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Shouldn't T-tar scale to Abomasnow, if not above it?
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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The episode A Trip Down Memory Train!.
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This is not always true in the anime, they might even be more consistently regular humans (or street level)
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Yeah, the anime treats May as fairly fragile compared to Ash, Brock and Misty, for example.
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I somewhat recall moments early on in Journeys where Goh was less physically capable compared to Ash. I haven’t touched the anime in years though.
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Even Ash is treated like a regular human very often. So often in fact, I could watch a random episode and there's a good chance there's an anti feat there
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Thanks, I guess I'll get to asking some questions then
1. Do fully evolved Pokémon scale to 7-A off Tyranitar's Pokedex entry or 6-C scaling to Abamasnow?
2. There are some instances where trainers in the manga are seemingly able to bypass immunities; Red's Pikachu has been shown twice to be capable of harming ground-type Pokémon like Brock's Onix and a Team Rocket grunt's Rhydon with its electric-type attacks; Victreebel could also poison a Nidoking despite its poison typing. Would these showings grant these Pokémon resistance negation (Pikachu with its electric-type attacks and Victreebel with its poison-type moves) or would we dismiss this as just P.I.S.?
3. What do you think would be the best way to separate red's keys? At first, I thought it was gym badges, but now I'm thinking it might be through cities or maybe chapters? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
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Can someone give me the scans for wild Pokémon lasting days on end with injuries
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I believe 6-C was the more recently accepted tier
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for all fully evolved pokemon?
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Yes, as far as I am aware.
Delusionaltx2
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Alright then (gonna update the scaling chain I have for red then)
Delusionaltx2
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Oh yeah another thing
Red's Pikachu seemingly moves some thunderclouds to hit a Fearow. Can someone calculate this feat?
Red's Pikachu seemingly moves some thunderclouds to hit a Fearow. Can someone calculate this feat?
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It only exists for a single lightningbolt I assume. So I don't know if we would consider it an actual powerful storm cloud.
Delusionaltx2
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The thunderclouds were already present just prior to this. What pikachu did (at least based on what I could tell) was either move them or make more
either way I think it's possible to calculate this feat somewhat high
Edit: actually considering the fact that the context is red using these clouds in some way to hit spearow pikachu is more than likely moving them rather than just making it's own
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Thunder has been shown pulling clouds from out of view as well as just making them appear out of nowhere so I think it could be creating clouds to pull together.
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6-C officially, but we have a LOT more High 7-A calcs than the Abomasnow one, so many people feel safer scaling to them instead.
Pokemon immunities are frequently bypassed by attacks that are just... that strong. It happened a lot in the anime and even in the stage play where MechaMew2 somehow oneshotted a Venusaur with PoisonPowder.
Pretty much any time he's displayed to be visibly much stronger than his previous Key. In Pokemon this is often done after considerable amounts of training.
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Huh, I thought that only happened with resistances (That makes sense though considering the fact that reds pikachu one shots brocks onix in the same scan)
I think I'm on the right track then (thanks for the clarification though)
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Yeah, that’s my favorite status effect. “Hailstorm”
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Though I would assume the hailstorm comes from Abomasnow’s Snow Warning ability rather than it using Hail (unless it was specified it comes from the move). Idk if that changes the point, but still.
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If it's Abomasnow's passive ability that implies two things. First, it tells us that Abomasnow canonically has that ability since it is directly tied to it rather than just being a move it can learn, and second it tells us that it causes the effect pretty much passively, same as Groudon and Kyogre. This does help it to scale to Abomasnow's ice power.
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Whats even the space of the hailstorm that gets Abomasnow to that level? Was it the 8th Gym ice city from Pokemon XY?
Cause like...there are multiple Abomasnow in that area that could all be accumulating to that level. Either way i see no reason to scale it to its physicals, especially if its the only case of its kind. I would say the Abomasnow that gets the focus in the story at the time by Team Flare is likely a special case too even then (its where you get the Abomasite and theres a whole story arc with it and a Mammoswine that suggests its somewhat the protector of the area?)
Cause like...there are multiple Abomasnow in that area that could all be accumulating to that level. Either way i see no reason to scale it to its physicals, especially if its the only case of its kind. I would say the Abomasnow that gets the focus in the story at the time by Team Flare is likely a special case too even then (its where you get the Abomasite and theres a whole story arc with it and a Mammoswine that suggests its somewhat the protector of the area?)
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mega heatran is hot
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All the Z megas have a speed above 150
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ZA DLC Pokedex statements are kinda crazy
That's a lot of volts
Clonejutsu is pretty cool
One strong birb
Space Manipulation is neat
THAT'S HOT. VERY VERY HOT.
Unsure if dex is impressive, but if I'm not mistaken, he created Hyperspace Lumiose (or at least created part of it) in the story, and should scale to it, which is a hyperspatial dimension (it's literally in the name)
That's a lot of volts
Clonejutsu is pretty cool
One strong birb
Space Manipulation is neat
THAT'S HOT. VERY VERY HOT.
Unsure if dex is impressive, but if I'm not mistaken, he created Hyperspace Lumiose (or at least created part of it) in the story, and should scale to it, which is a hyperspatial dimension (it's literally in the name)
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That Heatran dex entry could benefit from a look into the Japanese raw of it. It says 1.8 M degrees Fahrenheit, but Japan uses Celsius.
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It seems really close to a million degrees celsius
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That 1.8 million degrees statement has me busting (a myth)
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1.8 million degrees Fahrenheit is just about 1 million degress Celcius.
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Okay, but we know the translation isn't a 1-1 otherwise it wouldn't say Fahrenheit. Maybe they adapted the temperature accurately, maybe they just lazily changed Celsius to Fahrenheit without changing the numbers, and maybe the number is completely inaccurate or didn't even exist in the Japanese raw.
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Where would we find the raw
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JP GameplayWhere would we find the raw
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If it's too hard to get, the third option where the temperature isn't mentioned at all is unlikely, so using the English version might be a fairly safe bet. I was just wondering about accuracy given Japan doesn't use Fahrenheit, nor do the vast majority of countries.
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Pokemon is actually really diligent about converting Celcius to Fahrenheit.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Does Korrina get any interesting feats?
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That helps. It depends on the localisers though. If 4Kids made it the temperature would probably be described as hot enough to melt Brock's box of jelly doughnuts.
