Added Immortality type 8 for Nahida And Wanderer (Genshin Impact)

[Furina003]

Nahida was created by Rukhadevata using a branch of Irminsul. These branches, even when severed, remain connected to the World Tree. Since the World Tree itself has not died, its branches will also never wither. This indicates an dependence between the main tree and its branches.

In Nahida’s trailer, it is also stated that the Dendro Archon will not die as long as Irminsul still exists.
Therefore, we can conclude that Nahida fits the criteria for “Immortality Type 8,” since her existence depends on the continued existence of Irminsul.

The same applies to Wanderer, as he is a puppet created by Raiden Ei from an Irminsul branch that is still directly connected to the main tree.
Thus, Wanderer can also be classified as having Immortality Type 8.

Agree : @TWILIGHT-OP @LoudestProcedure @Sahlwrld (agree except wanderer immortality)) @AsterReal @Vietthai96 (nahida immortality and posibility/likely for wanderer) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (same as Vietthai96)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Looks good

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Looks good agree

 

[MSahla]

The same applies to Wanderer, as he is a puppet created by Raiden Ei from an Irminsul branch that is still directly connected to the main tree.

Disagree for Wanderer.

He literally said right there "That was once connected to the main tree".

The whole reason of the immo type 8 here is connected to the main tree Directly, which is literally the Dendro Archon's consciousness. While the Wanderer is only a puppet built from the branches of the Irminsul that was once connected to the tree.

So by this reason alone, Wanderer shouldn't get the immo at all because his consciousness isn't always connected to the Irminsul just like Nahida.

 

[Furina003]

Disagree for Wanderer.

He literally said right there "That was once connected to the main tree".

The whole reason of the immo type 8 here is connected to the main tree Directly, which is literally the Dendro Archon's consciousness. While the Wanderer is only a puppet built from the branches of the Irminsul that was once connected to the tree.

So by this reason alone, Wanderer shouldn't get the immo at all because his consciousness isn't always connected to the Irminsul just like Nahida.

Wanderer is still connected to the main tree, this is according to the explanation in the item I gave, as long as the branch is still connected to the main tree, the branch will never die, which implies that he also has a case like Nahida, Nahida and Wanderer are no different at all.

 

[MSahla]

Wanderer is still connected to the main tree, this is according to the explanation in the item I gave, as long as the branch is still connected to the main tree, the branch will never die, which implies that he also has a case like Nahida, Nahida and Wanderer are no different at all.

"That was once connected to the main tree".
What Ei basically doing is just yoinked the branches of Irminsul and made a puppets from it. These branches are not connected to the Tree anymore.

 

[MSahla]

"That was once connected to the main tree".
What Ei basically doing is just yoinked the branches of Irminsul and made a puppets from it. These branches are not connected to the Tree anymore.

It's like using something as the main material to make something. For example, with a tree, you take a tree trunks and then you make a chair, table, door, and so on from it. Are the chairs, tables, and doors still connected to the tree because they are made from that tree? Of course not. Because it was a trunks that was once connected to the Tree.

 

[Furina003]

"That was once connected to the main tree".
What Ei basically doing is just yoinked the branches of Irminsul and made a puppets from it. These branches are not connected to the Tree anymore.

I don't understand what you mean, Wanderer stated that he is a branch that is connected to the main tree, so yes, that is enough

"Was once brance connected to the main tree"

because basically, the tree and the branches cannot really be separated. They are indeed separated, but not truly separated, just like nahida, nahida is a branch that was previously connected in irminsul but rukhadevatta broke the branch which means separating the branch, but is it really separated literally, no.

As long as the parent tree is still alive, even though the branch has separated, the branches will not really be separated, because there is a kind of connection that connects the two, therefore it is explained

A new branch taken from the center of the world. There was once a giant tree that ran across the world, and this twig was part of it. Though it has been removed from the tree, their connection remains strong as ever. Therefore, as long as the giant white tree that symbolizes the center of the world does not die, it will never wither.

So the case of the wanderer is the same case as Nahida, where Rukha also separated it from the main tree by breaking it, but that doesn't mean it was completely separated.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Would him removing himself from irminsul tree back in 3.3 be kind of an anti feat or not?

 

[MSahla]

I don't understand what you mean, Wanderer stated that he is a branch that is connected to the main tree, so yes, that is enough

"Was once brance connected to the main tree"

because basically, the tree and the branches cannot really be separated. They are indeed separated, but not truly separated, just like nahida, nahida is a branch that was previously connected in irminsul but rukhadevatta broke the branch which means separating the branch, but is it really separated literally, no.

As long as the parent tree is still alive, even though the branch has separated, the branches will not really be separated, because there is a kind of connection that connects the two, therefore it is explained

So the case of the wanderer is the same case as Nahida, where Rukha also separated it from the main tree by breaking it, but that doesn't mean it was completely separated.

Then you have to prove The Wanderer's consciousness is directly connected to the Irminsul just like Nahida because thats the main reason for the Immo type 8 here. They don't have that similar case. Nahida was made from the purest branch of the Irminsul while Wanderer is just a normal branch, so the privilage and quality here is different.

And no, the branch of Irminsul can die when it's not connected, it depends of what kinda Branches, is it Alive or not. Wanderer is Alive ofc because Ei gave him consciousness, but that Consciousness isn't directly connected to the Irminsul.

 

[Furina003]

Then you have to prove The Wanderer's consciousness is directly connected to the Irminsul just like Nahida because thats the main reason for the Immo type 8 here. They don't have that similar case. Nahida was made from the purest branch of the Irminsul while Wanderer is just a normal branch, so the privilage and quality here is different.

The consciousness of the dendro archons is connected because they are branches of the irminsul, so what else is there to prove? Because literally the branches will be connected to the main tree.

And no, the branch of Irminsul can die when it's not connected, it depends of what kinda Branches, is it Alive or not. Wanderer is Alive ofc because Ei gave him consciousness, but that Consciousness isn't directly connected to the Irminsul.

Yeah, so what's the argument here?
It's been explained that it still has power? So what?
Even though they're separated, these branches will always be connected.
You can read all of theme (here, here and here)

I've explained everything, I won't argue any further and I'll count your votes, to disagree with the wanderer. so yeah that's it

Would him removing himself from irminsul tree back in 3.3 be kind of an anti feat or not?

Is this talking about the wanderer?
If so, I'm not too sure, but it seems like he's still a puppet, because irminsul only erased his past and memory, but irminsul not change his fate.

But also, i don't mind if immortality is only given to scaramouce's key

 

[MSahla]

The consciousness of the dendro archons is connected because they are branches of the irminsul, so what else is there to prove? Because literally the branches will be connected to the main tree.

Yeah, so what's the argument here?
It's been explained that it still has power? So what?
Even though they're separated, these branches will always be connected.
You can read all of theme (here, here and here)

I've explained everything, I won't argue any further and I'll count your votes, to disagree with the wanderer. so yeah that's it

You equate Wanderer and Nahida, when in fact, they are distinctly different. Nahida is the purest branch of Irminsul, thus possessing special privileges and qualities distinct from all others. She was born a god who controls Irminsul, while Wanderer was not and have nothing to prove his consciousness is directly connected to the Tree.

 

[Furina003]

You equate Wanderer and Nahida, when in fact, they are distinctly different. Nahida is the purest branch of Irminsul, thus possessing special privileges and qualities distinct from all others. She was born a god who controls Irminsul, while Wanderer was not and have nothing to prove his consciousness is directly connected to the Tree.

because i also thought about the case of raiden shogun who can't be destroyed, i think it's not because of ei, but because she is also a branch of irminsul, so she can support her immortality.

By the way, I've counted your votes, so there's nothing to argue about anymore.

 

[MSahla]

because i also thought about the case of raiden shogun who can't be destroyed, i think it's not because of ei, but because she is also a branch of irminsul, so she can support her immortality.

Not really, it's explicitly said that as long as Ei alived, she can fix The Shogun.

 

[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[Furina003]

Not really, it's explicitly said that as long as Ei alived, she can fix The Shogun.

No, basicly, structure raiden shogun is strong, ei made the shogun indeed to prevent erosion.

 

[MSahla]

No, basicly, structure raiden shogun is strong, ei made the shogun indeed to prevent erosion.

Well, thats irrelevant to this immo type 8.

This immo type 8's main reason is someone who's consciousness is directly connected to the Irminsul and lived as long as Irminsul exist, and that is only the Dendro Archon herself and nobody else. Someone who made from the branches of this tree doesn't necessarily mean they bound to this Tree, especially this Wanderer case. Ei is just yoinked the branches of it and created a puppets from it and gave consciousness.

 

[Furina003]

You equate Wanderer and Nahida, when in fact, they are distinctly different. Nahida is the purest branch of Irminsul, thus possessing special privileges and qualities distinct from all others. She was born a god who controls Irminsul, while Wanderer was not and have nothing to prove his consciousness is directly connected to the Tree.

No, this immo 8 is obtained for all Irminsul branches, because Irminsul branches will always be connected to the main tree. That's all, it has nothing to do with consciousness etc.

 

[MSahla]

No, this immo 8 is obtained for all Irminsul branches, because Irminsul branches will always be connected to the main tree. That's all, it has nothing to do with consciousness etc.

Yet Wanderer isn't. Bro literally said "that was once connected to the main tree", thats just mean its not connected anymore. Thats just a simple thinking.

Again, Ei is just yoinked the branches of irminsul and create a puppets from it.

 

[Furina003]

Yet Wanderer isn't. Bro literally said "that was once connected to the main tree", thats just mean its not connected anymore. Thats just a simple thinking.

Again, Ei is just yoinked the branches of irminsul and create a puppets from it.

I already explained this, you're just repeating the previous discussion.
Stop this, let the staff evaluate what's going on here, this is just going around in circles.

 

[MSahla]

because basically, the tree and the branches cannot really be separated. They are indeed separated, but not truly separated, just like nahida, nahida is a branch that was previously connected in irminsul but rukhadevatta broke the branch which means separating the branch, but is it really separated literally, no.

As long as the parent tree is still alive, even though the branch has separated, the branches will not really be separated, because there is a kind of connection that connects the two, therefore it is explained
So the case of the wanderer is the same case as Nahida, where Rukha also separated it from the main tree by breaking it, but that doesn't mean it was completely separated.

Well here you don't refute any. This description is referring to leaf that is supposed to be Nahida. Of course, Nahida won't lose her connection to the Tree because she was born from the purest branch of the tree and already become a god of dendro since the beginning. That's irrelevant to the Wanderer because he's nothing special to the Irminsul.

Wanderer's Branch is not equal to Nahida's branch that is the purest of them all.

 

[Furina003]

Well here you don't refute any. This description is referring to leaf that is supposed to be Nahida. Of course, Nahida won't lose her connection to the Tree because she was born from the purest branch of the tree and already become a god of dendro since the beginning. That's irrelevant to the Wanderer because he's nothing special to the Irminsul.

Wanderer's Branch is not equal to Nahida's branch that is the purest of them all.

literally the wanderer is also from the main tree, that's all. Unless you can prove otherwise, "seawater is still seawater because it comes from the sea"

I say again, hasn't this been discussed before? You've denied the same thing, I answered it, and you repeated it, and then I have to answer with the same answer? This is just going around in circles, therefore, I've counted your votes, so let the staff evaluate this discussion. Unless you have new evidence and arguments, please do so if you want to convey them. I've also tried to be flexible here.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nahida Immortality Type 8 is fine

Wanderer is a no, "was once" mean he isn't now, literally

 

[Furina003]

Nahida Immortality Type 8 is fine

Wanderer is a no, "was once" mean he isn't now, literally

I've explained it here. Basically, the branches are separated from the main tree, but that doesn't mean they're unconnected.
Nahida also experiences the same situation.


It's like two objects that have separated but are still connected by a non-physical connection.

I don't understand what you mean, Wanderer stated that he is a branch that is connected to the main tree, so yes, that is enough

"Was once brance connected to the main tree"

because basically, the tree and the branches cannot really be separated. They are indeed separated, but not truly separated, just like nahida, nahida is a branch that was previously connected in irminsul but rukhadevatta broke the branch which means separating the branch, but is it really separated literally, no.

As long as the parent tree is still alive, even though the branch has separated, the branches will not really be separated, because there is a kind of connection that connects the two, therefore it is explained

So the case of the wanderer is the same case as Nahida, where Rukha also separated it from the main tree by breaking it, but that doesn't mean it was completely separated.

What do.you think about this?

 

[Vietthai96]

It's like two objects that have separated but are still connected by a non-physical connection.

Seems like an interpretation to me, because Wanderer has different contexts and texts in his dialogue that pretty much imply he isn't connected anymore. If I'm being lenient, Possibly/Likely rating; i don't see a flat-out, solid rating

 

[Furina003]

Seems like an interpretation to me, because Wanderer has different contexts and texts in his dialogue that pretty much imply he isn't connected anymore. If I'm being lenient, Possibly/Likely rating; i don't see a flat-out, solid rating

ok thank you
I won't deny anything anymore

 

[Furina003]

Is this CRT needed one more staff?, i think this is minor upgrade. Or still needed 2 more ? Considering that genshin is on the list of controversial/popular verse

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Is this CRT needed one more staff?, i think this is minor upgrade. Or still needed 2 more ? Considering that genshin is on the list of controversial/popular verse

2

 

[Furina003]

Bump

 

[Furina003]

Bump

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I share Vietthai's thoughts on the matter.

 

[MSahla]

This thread already got 2 votes, so this should be fine and can be applied.
(@Furina003 what are u doing bro)

 

[Furina003]

2

There are already 2 staff votes, can this be implemented, or wait for 1 more?

 

[MSahla]

There are already 2 staff votes, can this be implemented, or wait for 1 more?

Bro he said 2

 

[Furina003]

Bro he said 2

help me bro, if it's like that you can do it

 

[MSahla]

I've already applied it, so this can be close

Nahida

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help me bro, if it's like that you can do it

Also, you need to put @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless vote in there.

 

[Furina003]

Also, you need to put @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless vote in there.

OK, THANKS

 

[MSahla]

Nahida Immortality Type 8 is fine

Wanderer is a no, "was once" mean he isn't now, literally

I share Vietthai's thoughts on the matter.

I have already applied the thing, so y'all can close this if y'all want to.