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Sigh, it sucks that Sonic doesn't use Chaos Control when the situation becomes harder/difficult.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Further supporting such artifacts creating their own Special Stages, I made this description detailing the Special Stages of Knuckles Chaotix
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I think it makes more sense for Sonic to be using Chaos Control in the context of SA2B, tbh. Doesn't exactly make sense otherwise.
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I can see why you say that but I think it's a redundant point because a lot about Sonic doesn't make sense regardless. Him having an innate time stop is just the other side of the coin of him resisting time reversal in Superstars "just because lololol"
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That's from the context of what we have in FUTURE games. I don't think it's redundant at all. In that time frame, it makes 100% sense for it TO be Chaos Control, given he even uses it in the game itself. It's really just the most simple and easiest answer that makes sense without having to resort extrapolate on it too much.
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I am still waiting for Sonic and Eggman to perfectly recreate the Frisk VS Asriel fight beat by beat with the bullshit they pull off for the reasons of "just because lololol"
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It doesn't have to be Chaos Control, guys... They would've used the exact same name and Sonic's Chaos Control voicelines if it was meant to be.
I don't see the point of saying it doesn't make sense, given Sonic is charged by the power of chaos.
I don't see the point of saying it doesn't make sense, given Sonic is charged by the power of chaos.
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I would agree if he said "Chaos Control" instead of "Time Stop" in game. They could've even reused the voice clip from the campaign, but instead they recorded a new line specific for multiplayer stuff.
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Maybe, but it just doesn't exactly make sense for it to NOT be Chaos Control contextually. Remember that you could play the Battle Mode before even beating the game. I can imagine they just didn't want to spoil that Sonic could do the same thing Shadow, this new character, could. Tbh, it probably comes from the same source, anyway.
Also, I'm not sure if that image stating he's charged with the power is exactly valid since it looks more like one of those old game guides that just state things that may or may not be true. Just hard to truly believe in this piece of evidence.
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It was from the official SEGA blogs
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Man, this site always hurts my eyes whenever I look at it.
Fair enough, just don't really see him doing that with his own power. Unless you want to make an argument for if Shadow can do it without an Emerald (cuz he didn't have one in the final battle), then Sonic could, too. Which is a bit weird to think about, tbh. Doesn't exactly fit Sonic, imo.
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I thought it was cute, so here's Zavok art.
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What's Crossoworlds nuzlock?
TheStinkeer
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yk seeing Sonic downplay and the person doing it has an Eggman pfp is so weirdly fitting, i lowkey gotta draw that sometime
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lore accuracy for 100
What even was the take? I'd say anything below Multiversal+ is downplay since Tails said there was infinite universes, TE carpet bombed allat, its like the most blatant Multi+ thing on the site
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I remember a couple being that "eating timelines/space-time" was not a quantifiable feat, that it was like destroying the color green. Emerl absorbing the Final Egg Blaster made him unstable and not fighting at full capacity as he couldn't contain it so Sonic doesn't scale to the full yield (I do agree with Sonic not scaling to the full yield, seeing as Emerl had to charge.) Time Eater and Solaris do not physically scale to their feats as they were hax, and Solaris throws rocks. And finally Sonic not breaking the chains holding little planet, which I actually understand since it is hard to tell
It also brought up Shadow using the Eclipse Canon to destroy the black comet which I don't entirely think is a bad point to bring up but yk
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This is INSANE nitpicking
On the final egg blaster, I think the charging would kind of a neligable difference in terms of it, I can't rationalize such a cataclysmic difference from charging an attack imo.
Also destroying universes was ALWAYS a thing for scaling, I don't know where this guy got that deduction from that it doesn't, and Solaris throws rocks? Kinda weird, yeah, and the little planet one? It is a weird feat but I can buy it
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we must downplay the blue hedgehog by any means,,,This is INSANE nitpicking
On the final egg blaster, I think the charging would kind of a neligable difference in terms of it, I can't rationalize such a cataclysmic difference from charging an attack imo.
Also destroying universes was ALWAYS a thing for scaling, I don't know where this guy got that deduction from that it doesn't, and Solaris throws rocks? Kinda weird, yeah, and the little planet one? It is a weird feat but I can buy it
Personally I'd scale Emerl's normal punches and durability to the power of the FEB divided by 60, which should be supported as Emerl gets the Ultimate fighting pose punches regardless of what Emerl had equipped before the scene, iirc.
Solaris throws meteors spawned from the Titans, which are also technically his own meteors considering the Titans come from him. And I would assume they've become so strong via. the speed Solaris (and Silver) throws them at
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I can't actually throw contentions to the divide by 60 thing beyond just vibe scaling LMAO, so I can't really comment on that (I need to replay Sonic Battle though...) I'd say just put it at half, 60 low crazy though, fight didn't seem all that extreme diff IIRC.
And yeah, a character having abnormal abilities that seemingly don't relate to them doesn't inherently destroy the characters tiering, especially for a franchise who's abilities fluctuates so widely- simply assuming that they have relative potency to their own attacks to someone they scale to makes more sense then say "SOLARIS IS 3D BECAUSE HE USES METEORS!"
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Speaking of 3D, they also brought up dimensional tiering and it's something I also kinda agree with since dimensional tiering is pretty controversial. But I do feel like Solaris is at least Universal since his hax still stems from his light attacks, plus him absorbing dimensions prior to the fight. Time Eater should also likely Universal since him gobbling up points in time has him charge up a similar energy attack he uses later on
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I know it's a weird Question, but is the Eggman pfp from 3D blast?.
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It kind of looks like something from that era but I can't say for sure it's from 3D Blast specifically
At the same time that's about all I want to say regarding that person bc any more would feel like I'm inviting harassment to them which ofc isn't what I want to do
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……Well, that's all what I need to hear. Thanks for your answer.
Nah, I just wanted to know if that was…"them".
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I think dunking on dimensional scaling is a little weird because it's so simple to understand, but people often overcomplicate it. Either that or people complain about dimensional scaling, yet use said dimensional scaling in regards to characters they wank. I'm tired of these pretenders who know how to actually scale characters and call us nerdy, cringe hacks who don't absorb the context of a story when they are the same people calling for "Outerversal Goku" and then conveniently ignoring context to suit an agenda or narrative.
Dimensional scaling isn't even all that controversial if you have a brain at all and can understand how it works.
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So, the (I believe) primary cover for IDW 86 was revealed.
My guess is that Belle interacting with Metal Sonic allllllllll the way back in Issue 50 is gonna come back to haunt her because it allowed either his coding or something within it to spread and make her possible for Sage to hack/influence, which I gather from Sage's IDW 84 reveal showing Sage, Metal Sonic, and Belle on Cover A (as well as in a different style in the Retail Incentive (RI) cover).
How I believe this cover connects is that I'd imagine that the White/Blue palette comes as a result of Sage witnessing the genuine love that Belle had for Mister Tinker, making Sage re-think Belle being an Eggman Empire traitor and thus letting Belle convince Sage to release her (as I am assuming Belle either got captured or too nosy and stumbled into Eggman Empire territory).
But yeah, that's my theory!
My guess is that Belle interacting with Metal Sonic allllllllll the way back in Issue 50 is gonna come back to haunt her because it allowed either his coding or something within it to spread and make her possible for Sage to hack/influence, which I gather from Sage's IDW 84 reveal showing Sage, Metal Sonic, and Belle on Cover A (as well as in a different style in the Retail Incentive (RI) cover).
How I believe this cover connects is that I'd imagine that the White/Blue palette comes as a result of Sage witnessing the genuine love that Belle had for Mister Tinker, making Sage re-think Belle being an Eggman Empire traitor and thus letting Belle convince Sage to release her (as I am assuming Belle either got captured or too nosy and stumbled into Eggman Empire territory).
But yeah, that's my theory!
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It's still funny to me that teamwork energy is a legit energy in Sonic, it's like the only thing making the whole "Sonic had help" argument against Sonic scaling make any sense Even then I'm pretty sure that energy is only applied to team based attacks/techniques given the context of the gameplay
Also slightly unrelated but Mega Man is alive and breathing!!!
Also slightly unrelated but Mega Man is alive and breathing!!!
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I like how Megaman looks in 12. I'm not feeling the stage visuals right now, but the game might not release for almost 2 years, so I'm hoping some touch ups can happen.
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Source? This is what I seek in UES's trustIt's still funny to me that teamwork energy is a legit energy in Sonic, it's like the only thing making the whole "Sonic had help" argument against Sonic scaling make any senseEven then I'm pretty sure that energy is only applied to team based attacks/techniques given the context of the gameplay
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Was looking at some V-Jump issues, I don't think anyone checks them for Sonic sutff
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This is why Crossworlds lost at the game awards SEGA you can't even decide on the basic lore of your racing game
It's also funny how in the same game, JP Sonic just casually reveals that he remembers 06 just to mess with Silver
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NGL, I was wondering if I should say anything about TGA here. I heard fans were taking it... about as well as you would expect.
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Honestly I'm surprised people were even surprised Sonic lost, I felt it was kind of to be expected
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Nice to see infinite multiverse confirmed again.
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I mean, I wouldn't say this statement wrong. We still have yet to get an infinite multiverse statement in the games themselves"erhm but its probably just hyperbole it isn't 100% confirmed"
Additionally infinite worlds could just mean an infinite universe, or is just hyperbole. The context of the game doesn't help either
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It's just cope tbh. It's pretty obvious what they mean and it's even said in official Sonic media that there are infinite universes. It doesn't need to be said in the games for it to be true. Otherwise, we wouldn't have nearly as much scans and such be accepted.
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I think it's solid.
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I can understand people being skeptical of it, but the hyperbole argument specifically just seems so weird to use when they straight up say "infinite worlds/infinite universes intersect" for the six, seventh, and eighth time lol
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