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Isn't this gonna be invalidated with the tier 0 root revamp and that WOULD upscale a LOT of mystery related shit (And a lot of wankbreaker's debunks would start to get slowly invalidated anyway) so this might get outright ignored no??
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Artoria Pendragon (Saber) Vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Honkai: Star Rail X Fate/Stay Night Vs Bleach)
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Only normal users, the staffs are widely agreeing.
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Are you saying they have invulnerability via magic? I'm pretty sure Agnaa mentions something how magic rocks giving chars invul is regarded as invalid.
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Where?
I was participating in the thread and saw nothing like what you said, so mind pointing me where Agnaa said those stuff?, i only remember he, or DDM said about Achilles Heel stuff
Also if time manip can grant Invul, why not magic?
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Small question, im new here but isn't the whole servant psuology 4D invul shaped around Wankbreaker's scaling in particular, since that got invalidated already wouldn't this be waiting for a revision??
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In his first post in the thread.
Well Magic by itself dont have really any useful qualities by default. It's more of a aesthetics unlike time manip which actually give provide effects by itself.
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Why would that matter?Just match them up with 4d characters
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Just match them up with 4d characters
Who does the gimmick better? Archer vs Welt Yang [0-0-0]
Rules: Pathstrider Welt is being used (Though this can be changed to Herrscher of Reason Welt if necessary) No Hax Layers Who Wins and Why? Archer: Welt Yang: Inconclusive:
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4D Invul was around long ago, back when we still tying dimensionality to haxes. Now there is no 4D Invul anymore
It doesn't matter anymore, dimensionality tied to hax was removed, and due to Mystery being non-physical supernatural thing, anything with Mystery will block everything, be it physical or non-physical attacks up to Low 1-A level. So unless you are 1-A/have 1-A hax or have Invul/Resistance Neg, good luck trying to hit ServantJust match them up with 4d characters
It doesn't mean Magic can't grant Invulnerability, not all Time Hax can grant Invulnerabilitu either.
And Mystery isn't exactly magic, it is classified as something supernatural, and supernatural in Nasuverse means a lot of thing, Magecraft, Magic, Esper, Miracle, Age.
Seriously this turned into Nasuverse discussion lol
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So they interact with the characters but I see now mystery is gonna be 1-A
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IMAGINARY ENERGY UPSCALE IS REALSo they interact with the characters but I see now mystery is gonna be 1-A
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Well I was going to respond with how invulnerability no longer works like that until I saw Viet already did thatSo they interact with the characters but I see now mystery is gonna be 1-A
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IMAGINARY TECHNIQUE FROM THE HEIAN ERA THAT KIANA NEVER SHOWN BECAUSE SUKUNA WAS THERE????? W JJK UPSCALE
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I would HEAVILY disagree, mystery is kinda the FUNDAMENTAL system and the servant psyology is connected to it too cuz of mystery
On another note the debunk that was connected to this was from wankbreaker's lopgic which should be old shit by now no??
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This is unfair lel, because it make 99% of Fate chars can't be used for matches
This is why I think the verse equalization for this specific stuff need to be brought up again
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They have Spirit Core which is kinda a Magic Core. But Servant are Heroic Spirit information record from the throne of heroes inhabiting a physical class container. Saber is an exception as she is a living person in the past summoned into a class container in the future. Later in FGO we have Divine Spirit summoned themselves into a container to be a Servant. Anyway, the class container is a physical thing
They can turn into a Spirit Form but that mean they can't interact with physical world
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Sometimes, that's the price haxxy verses pay. Sukuna had this problem
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TF is even happening right now
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Sukuna had what problem?
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being the strongest of his era.
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May I have permission to post in the staff thread? I would like to ask a question to Agnaa.
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Fundamental as in they are classified as CM?
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What thread?, and it going to address what topic?. Sorry i need to ask question before granting any permission
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The invulnerability thread.
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A thread to adressing Servants 4-D Invulnearability once and for all
This was happened on Saber Artoria vs Luffy and it bombed so hard, even after it was closed i have a feeling that this thing need to be debated further Thus i'm making this thread to debating the issues of servant invulnearability being 4-D, remember folks be civil and don't be heated for all of...
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Yo, shouldn't this be just a plain stomp for saber??
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Oke, you have my permission, remember to linl this post in your comment so staff will know you have my permission
Uhhh, ohhhh, yeah, i already said that if we includes Mystery in, it is a stomp
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They only were before-hand, and it's not like Aagnaa's examples even disqualify them from qualifying.
No, they're not made of magic, and no, Super Sonic's "invulnerability" has nothing in common with Servants' invulnerability.
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I mainly just wanna know, how this derailed to this extent.
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Yeah, all of that stuff is gone.
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I don't know, honestly. Anyway, RIP my boy, Ichigo.
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Cus servant psyology gives them basically every resistance under the sun (And mind you this isn't even counting the powerscaling that shin did with the tier 0 root so yea,
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Well yes, but then talking about other threads including Staff threads in insane depth, to even mechanics in the game .
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Cuz the fate shit is LARGE (The resistance list literally extents to like 60-70% of all the hax listed in the entire wiki bar the fact taht it's also gonna be technically invalidated cuz ive seen a bigger list in quora and once shin and other TM scalers make a full list revision for haxes it might be bigger)
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I wouldn't even choose to take the argument of imaginary energy cus it's a crossverse setting which was half-assed from the start, might as well consider them different entities cuz of the half-assedness of the crossover event in general
On top of the entire shit being already being unfair (Poor ichigo can't even bypass the existing resistance as part of servant psyology and im pretty sure mystery resistances are NOT included here so adding imaginary energy is not onlu unnecessary but overkill to oblivion
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Agnaa has responded, you may reply to him regarding this.
Small Tweaks to Invulnerability
Hello folks. I find that the Invulnerability power page is one that has caused a lot of confusion and misunderstanding due to a few select issues, and could use with some better wording. This is my proposal. The idea behind it is pretty simple, I've seen a lot of people misusing or even abusing...
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She's a Path user, so she probably should, right?
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