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Artoria Pendragon (Saber) Vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Honkai: Star Rail X Fate/Stay Night Vs Bleach)

umm actually that is the exponent!! not multiplying,
I know!
therefore if it was say, exponented just by 1024, you'd get an arbitrarily large amount of mistakes
That's big-brained.
in all honesty true, istg each time i see a match with those two verses its a stomp in some shape or form man
Yeah. I guess that's the curse of being a long running franchise with a lot of hax.
Hope you realize HSR Saber and Archer’s profiles are the only ones usable on the wiki rn because they dont look like ass 😭
I swear that we're working on it.
Actually diabolical that the only possible Fate matchups are the only ones in verse

You can use the human characters like Shirou, Rin, Shiki Tohno, etcetera! It's just that you can't use anyone else! Isn't this fun?!

I mean, things will only get more unfair since the verse will hopefully get even more upgrades, so i feel like what i said will only prove to be more true overtime sadly
how long do you think when hoyo and nasuverse get upgraded will it take before people give up on making match ups because it will always be "stomp since they got 8D invul and passive (insert hax) at 1-A level"
... Uh, well, that may or may not happen in the future... maybe.
 
You can use the human characters like Shirou, Rin, Shiki Tohno, etcetera! It's just that you can't use anyone else! Isn't this fun?!
including shiki here is diabolical, but i do hope shirou gets updated soon since i would love to see what changes if elmelloi stuff is included in his upgrades and maybe do some matchups with him
... Uh, well, that may or may not happen in the future... maybe.
at least try to sound more convincing but like you said, at least the magus should be useable without being absurdly broken, probably?
 
I swear that we're working on it.
Bro 😭

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including shiki here is diabolical,
Hey, at least I didn't include Shiki Ryougi, who has the same invulnerability and resistances as Servants!
but i do hope shirou gets updated soon since i would love to see what changes if elmelloi stuff is included in his upgrades and maybe do some matchups with him
He will get some fun upgrades.
at least try to sound more convincing
Listen, I didn't want to be definitive because I'm not in charge of the revisions.
but like you said, at least the magus should be useable without being absurdly broken, probably?
They are useable... except every profile has the "outdated" tag, so I'm pretty sure they can't be used for now.

But if they weren't outdated, yes, they can be used. They resist almost every hax on the wiki, but that's the only issue.
 
is this my glorious king emiya shirou, or is just a EMIYA variant/archer
 
Why isn't Lancer summonable in HSR again?
 
I wish I could make a profile for HSR Lancer but he would literally be a duplicate of the original Lacer's profile outside of stats
I dont think you would be allowed to add that just as a key for his stay night varient because its still a collab and would be counted as a diffrent version right?
 
i thought he was in the story, I didnt play it but did he just show up or what-?
I didn't play it either (I have not played any Hoyoverse game outside of playing Genshin for a few hours), but I know he appeared in the story, but was never usable by the player.
I wish I could make a profile for HSR Lancer but he would literally be a duplicate of the original Lacer's profile outside of stats
RIP.
I dont think you would be allowed to add that just as a key for his stay night varient because its still a collab and would be counted as a diffrent version right?
Yeah, I doubt that would be allowed.
Wait, can I argue that Servants and magecraft resist and utilize the abilities of Paths to buff them more?
 
I dont think you would be allowed to add that just as a key for his stay night varient because its still a collab and would be counted as a diffrent version right?
Can't add a new key because it's not canon to Fate so it has to be a new profile. The issue is it would literally be a straight duplicate due to Lancer not being playable


All I did was just give bro

lol

Wait, can I argue that Servants and magecraft resist and utilize the abilities of Paths to buff them more?
Find a way to give them the ability to use Imaginary Energy
 
i cant believe i am saying this but stop buffing them PLEASE, i wanna see normal matchups with the guys without them just one shoting or being invincible 😭
Unfortunately (or fortunately), that won't happen.
Can't add a new key because it's not canon to Fate so it has to be a new profile. The issue is it would literally be a straight duplicate due to Lancer not being playable


All I did was just give bro

lol
That's hilarious.
Find a way to give them the ability to use Imaginary Energy
I might try.
 
You can use the human characters like Shirou, Rin, Shiki Tohno, etcetera! It's just that you can't use anyone else! Isn't this fun?!
I mean for people, Servants is the most well known and precious thing this series can offer so of course 99% of the servants can't be used due of the range need to bypass the invulnerability pissed them
And to be fair, only Shirou and the Shiki's that are caught the most eyes from the casual for the human category, maybe Aoko but still

So yeah, this is why TM matches is hella bad due of it
 
I mean for people, Servants is the most well known and precious thing this series can offer so of course 99% of the servants can't be used due of the range need to bypass the invulnerability pissed them
I know, I was trying to poke fun at that fact since the only characters people can use are the ones they don't want to use for the most part.
And to be fair, only Shirou and the Shiki's that are caught the most eyes from the casual for the human category, maybe Aoko but still
That's true.
So yeah, this is why TM matches is hella bad due of it
Yeah.
 
This is why I honestly think there should be a special equalization so the invul wouldn't be a problem but also make the match can be added, but whenever I asked this, the supporters and people who know about verses equalization are against this idea
 
How does their invulnerability work?
Mystery will cancel out everything that try to harm......ehh, the Nasuverse characters (cause every relevant one that not human have Mystery), be it physical attacks or haxes. You need Magecraft or things that possesses certain age to harm people with Mystery. But again, Mystery have scale as well, the higher the Mystery, the harder for you to bypass it, and the stronger magecraft/the older the age required for you to harm the targeted characters
 
Mystery will cancel out everything that try to harm......ehh, the Nasuverse characters (cause every relevant one that not human have Mystery), be it physical attacks or haxes. You need Magecraft or things that possesses certain age to harm people with Mystery. But again, Mystery have scale as well, the higher the Mystery, the harder for you to bypass it, and the stronger magecraft/the older the age required for you to harm the targeted characters
AKA it's the dumbest form of invulnerability imaginable for cross-verse because Mystery is inconsistent sometimes on what counts has having more of it.
 
AKA it's the dumbest form of invulnerability imaginable for cross-verse because Mystery is inconsistent sometimes on what counts has having more of it.
The problem is its mechanism have double dependences, it is both based on the age and era, and also person themselves. Like modern era decline the Mystery thus affect magecrafts in the modern age, but exist dude like Dead Apostle Ancestor & True Ancestor with their Mystery is off the chart despite exists in the modern era, if i'm not wrong, like Arcueid just cancel out every modern magecraft. Archer despite being Servant, i still feel like dude have next to none Mystery, competent magus can pretty much damage him with mid to high tier spells
 
Mystery will cancel out everything that try to harm......ehh, the Nasuverse characters (cause every relevant one that not human have Mystery), be it physical attacks or haxes. You need Magecraft or things that possesses certain age to harm people with Mystery. But again, Mystery have scale as well, the higher the Mystery, the harder for you to bypass it, and the stronger magecraft/the older the age required for you to harm the targeted characters
It doesn't seem to have an elaborated mechanism. It would get removed due to the upcoming staff thread.

 
It doesn't seem to have an elaborated mechanism. It would get removed due to the upcoming staff thread.

Dude, what?. Mystery literally having a mechanism
 
It doesn't seem to have an elaborated mechanism. It would get removed due to the upcoming staff thread.

The mechanism was mentioned. It's called "Mystery/Mystic." Basically, they're invulnerable to anything that does not have enough Mystery/Mystic to harm them (and we've seen this happen several times in universe).
 
The mechanism was mentioned. It's called "Mystery/Mystic." Basically, they're invulnerable to anything that does not have enough Mystery/Mystic to harm them (and we've seen this happen several times in universe).
I'm pretty sure Agnaa mentioned something like "only this can effect them" is only regarded as a weakness, not mechanism. An example of mechanism is like having invulnerability due to manipulating time/causality to your own body so you dont get any harmful effects.
 
I'm pretty sure Agnaa mentioned something like "only this can effect them" is only regarded as a weakness, not mechanism. An example of mechanism is like having invulnerability due to manipulating time/causality to your own body so you dont get any harmful effects.
It isn't weakness, because it is how Mystery work, because magecraft, supernatural thing or things that possesses certain age literally also have Mystery in them, allows them to bypass Mystery, it is a mechanism of the Mystery, not weakness

It is like having time manipulation allows you to cancel out time-based invulnerability

Edit: this is one of the biggest reason on why Nasuverse suppporters like me are against each others on should we equalize Mystery cross-verse or not?, can we equalize it?
 
I'm pretty sure Agnaa mentioned something like "only this can effect them" is only regarded as a weakness, not mechanism. An example of mechanism is like having invulnerability due to manipulating time/causality to your own body so you dont get any harmful effects.
And people in that thread seem to disagree with Aagnaa's proposal. The thread is still ongoing, anyway.
 
I think last time it came up, it was decided that it can't be equalized.
Yeah it was

Anyway, the Invulnerability thread is still on going, most people just agreed with we shouldn't grants Invul when the a character is stated to be invincible or invulnerable because it could simply be immortalities, regeneration statement or having high durability, strong stats. Unless we have the statement actually explained and not belong to having high stats or being immortal
 
Yeah it was
Ok.
Anyway, the Invulnerability thread is still on going, most people just agreed with we shouldn't grants Invul when the a character is stated to be invincible or invulnerable because it could simply be immortalities, regeneration statement or having high durability, strong stats. Unless we have the statement actually explained and not belong to having high stats or being immortal
I see. Well, Servants and other Mysteries/Mystics will still keep it then.
 
What's the reasoning of this btw? I didn't remember
Iirc, it was argued that since Mystery only exists in Nasuverse and a mechanism belong only to it, equalizing Mystery is equivalent to giving other verse the advantage and power of Nasuverse. This is kinda a simplied version of the whole debate, Paul_Frank reasoning
 
Iirc, it was argued that since Mystery only exists in Nasuverse and a mechanism belong only to it, equalizing Mystery is equivalent to giving other verse the advantage and power of Nasuverse. This is kinda a simplied version of the whole debate, Paul_Frank reasoning
Ngl this is kinda shaky, saying mystery is only exist in Nasuverse is pretty glaring because that's saying "yeah nada our verses are un-matchable because mystery are exclusive to this" because other verses that aren't sci-fi or using generalization modern abilities (MHA with Quirk apparently doesn't qualified iirc) can fall into this type, like Devil Fruit ability/Haki from One Piece, Stand from Jojo, and Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy physiology from Bleach
 
Ngl this is kinda shaky, saying mystery is only exist in Nasuverse is pretty glaring because that's saying "yeah nada our verses are un-matchable because mystery are exclusive to this" because other verses that aren't sci-fi or using generalization modern abilities (MHA with Quirk apparently doesn't qualified iirc) can fall into this type, like Devil Fruit ability/Haki from One Piece, Stand from Jojo, and Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy physiology from Bleach
Found it, your own thread actually lol

 
Found it, your own thread actually lol

Bruh, my memorizing capabilities is ******* ass 💀💀💀💀💀
 
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