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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

GunshyFever said:
Man, I'd love to help answer this confusion, but I have a huge ass cast on my hand,w hich is preventing me from doing jack. I'll settle your thoughts in 2 weeks.
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GUNSHY DO SOMETHING!
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
Deku blitzes Yoru so bad that she thinks he left the battlefield, making her think she won, turning him into a weapon
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Talking about some, "She'll perceive him as a weapon because she'd think he ran (never done that but k)" when she literally getting PERCEPTION blitzed
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Agenda aside, we NEEED to do something about Pochita's current speed rating, giving Yoru's gun gauntlets it's Attack speed rating, and maybe implimenting the Rela-Large Mountain level Gun Goddess Calc (And especially removing the Primals scaling to it physically). It not only sucks having to argue that Yoru has crazy attack speed with her gun gauntlet but her profile having ZERO mention of it but it just also genuinely IRKS me that Fakesaw is faster than my goat despite Pochita doing the exact same feat wounded and offguard
Like, tell me why I can have a matchup where Fakesaw genuinely never gets hit by Pochita ever
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Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
That isn’t evidence it is dura neg. The evidence you even posted literally says we don’t know how it works.

That isn’t evidence she was weakened as Falling has like no durability feats and part 2 Pochita is the same guy who got harmed by pre nuke amp Yoru so it doesn’t even mean anything. Heck we see pre nuke amp Yoru harm Falling as well.

The fact that the statement of Falling being weakened comes from a character who was actively lying for most of the story and was lying about her powers makes it very suspect

So Aging is harmed by a character than pre nuke amped Yoru turned into a nugget? This doesn’t support Primals being physically above the verse.
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I may not be the best person to argue but I'll make an attempt. For your first point of Makima not using biological manipulation due to lack of info on her power set, I think the story is explicit in how it presents Makima's powers up to that point. The only forced based ability that she displays up to that point in the story requires her to use human sacrifices so we know that's not what she's using against darkness here, as stated earlier, Makima doesn't have access to bang yet so we know it's not that either, the only other ability she uses in the story to that point is the internal bleeding/bio manipulation. In said fight with darkness devil, even by just looking at the panel itself, the injury that darkness receives doesn't even look like an outwards attack. The only we see him do is bleeding from his orifices. As for the quick draw aspect of that fight, I always interpreted it as darkness getting his attack of first as the first panel we see is Makima's finger contorting due to darkness's attack but Makima's internal bleeding briefly overpowered darkness to the point that he couldn't continue his assault on her. After recuperating however, we see that they do the same quick draw esque thing again but this time darkness completely overpowers her to the point where she doesn't get her attack off. Also even in how Fujimoto portrays Makima's bang we see that he emphasizes the physicality of it alot so I doubt this was bang for this and other reasons.

As for the falling argument, I think that the fact that she has no durability feats is evidence to her being weakened. In terms of Lil'd supposedly lying about that facet of her ability, the only thing Lil'd actually lies about in the story at that point is her identity as the famine devil. When Nayuta asks her why she tried to kill Denji and Asa, she lies and says that it was to starve them so that she could use her power to control them. It would make sense that she lies about this since it upholds the idea of her being famine devil and it covers up the fact that she actually was gonna kill them and then use her power over those she has killed to enslave them and use them for her future plans, If she said this to Nayuta then it wouldn't make sense as to how the famine devil would have an ability like that so we see here that she actually is lying. This however is not the case for when she lies to Asa during Denji's prison break. When she uses guillotine at that point of the story she commands him to kill everyone and then laments when he is unable to use his full power, she then explains to Asa that the reason that he can't use his full power is because her controlled devils are weakened. This makes sense in story even with her identity as death and isn't contradicted by anything in the story so we have no evidence to say she's lying about this. If you wanted to take the angle that she was lying to Asa here, it really wouldn't make sense as to why she would lie about this aspect of her ability specifically since both her and Asa had the same goal of rescuing Denji so if u wanted to say she was just stalling, I would fail to see the reason why she would be stalling here. And even then we see time and time again in the story that Lil'd doesn't care to put that much effort into her lies so she really wouldn't go so far as to use guillotine, fake being frustrated with guilly being weak and then explain to Asa why he's weak, she's way too nonchalant for that. But that's just my two sense, also Idk how to add pictures, I feel like it wouldve helped make this shorter if I did, my bad🙏🏿
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Japan is really angry with Fujimoto tho (from some articles and posts that I have seen), calling him **** addicted and using Fire Punch panels to shame him, saying that he probably got inspiration of the dog scene in a similar way
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Did it really take the Japanese so long to realize Fujimoto was nuts? Our guy ate a dead fish and dressed up as Makima while trying to fly. Whether it's just a trope or he's actually that kind of person, he still makes great stories (if you ignore CSM2) and still has talent.
You can get inspired by anything. I can watch Boku no Pico or Black Dogs with the elf girls and be inspired to create a masterpiece. Does the source of inspiration really matter?
 
Honestly, I don't understand how Pochita's regeneration works. He needs to pull the starter to start recovering, but in one of the previous chapters, Yoru almost tore him apart, and he was able to recover without the starter.
 
NikHelton said:
Honestly, I don't understand how Pochita's regeneration works. He needs to pull the starter to start recovering, but in one of the previous chapters, Yoru almost tore him apart, and he was able to recover without the starter.
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May be the boost from eating death devil, he himself said to power that eating a strong devil greatly increase a devil's power, so that's how he regenerated more easily with getting higher regeneration

But If the nuclear punch from yoru didn't pulverize him then he should have regenerated again

Or you mean the bangs Yoru dealt to him before he ate lil d? I don't remember it well, but he could have pulled his chest offscreen when denji and asa were in their world


And with the discussion you all been having about primal devil's physicals feats, I cant seem to see really high durability feats, like a character bragging with tanking a character

Falling devil getting multiple times sliced of by denji, aging to pochita chainsaws (thought that's not as low as falling devil) and darkness to makima bangs (bangs probably below to the ones that she was throwing to pochita) he was losing gallons of blood from the first one

And Lil d for example being easily pushes by just a physical attack from asa or fami

Is anyone getting above multi city block durability? Maybe how darkness devil had seemingly a "invisible shield" that were blocking galgali attacks, and I can't tell if someone clash of "bangs" between makima and darkness were makima got her arm broken and darkness not, was just overpowering rather than tanking the second bang because of being serious, probably the first one

Pochita has always been the one with the constantly higher physical feats because of having a physical fighting style with his chainsaws, and now uorus is the highest with nuclear punch, but even then the own explosion of the punch almost pulverized her
 
Why doesnt Post fear boost Yoru has MHS+ attack speed with the Gun gauntlet ? If that gets accepted Pochita might be able to scale to it for deflecting a shot after it had been fired while injured
 
Bruh said:
Why doesnt Post fear boost Yoru has MHS+ attack speed with the Gun gauntlet ? If that gets accepted Pochita might be able to scale to it for deflecting a shot after it had been fired while injured
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I said the same thing a few messages ago
We're waiting on the Speed CRT that Gunshy's been talking but honestly, for a simple addition like that, I feel a CRT should be made since Yoru's MHS+ Attack speed is neglected to be mentioned on her page despite everyone knowing it's there and two characters directly scaling to it (with Fakesaw having the speed rating that Pochita should also have)
 
The current calculation for Yoru's nuclear punch is kinda really off imo since the thing being measured is the fireball itself but the formula for the airburst shockwave is used. It should be in the small city level range but if the calc is not needed as higher end feats are used I can't be arsed.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
The current calculation for Yoru's nuclear punch is kinda really off imo since the thing being measured is the fireball itself but the formula for the airburst shockwave is used. It should be in the small city level range but if the calc is not needed as higher end feats are used I can't be arsed.
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Yoru's weaponization feats and the various values you can get from it might just be one of the most interesting yet difficult to use feats ive seen in some manga cuz how do you even determine what value to use for her AP section out of 3 possible methods, it's not like the highest one is automatically usable.
 
Bruh said:
Yoru's weaponization feats and the various values you can get from it might just be one of the most interesting yet difficult to use feats ive seen in some manga cuz how do you even determine what value to use for her AP section out of 3 possible methods, it's not like the highest one is automatically usable.
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Ive cleaned it up by taking into account the swords mass isnt equivalent to the states mass. We should just consider it large island level.
 
Ive heard some said that the blast radius of Yoru's Nuclear Punch last chapter actually reach the Hell door up on the sky as you can see broken doors flying across the sky in the last panel. Would that impact the feat in anyway? Just asking out of curiosity
 
Bruh said:
Ive heard some said that the blast radius of Yoru's Nuclear Punch last chapter actually reach the Hell door up on the sky as you can see broken doors flying across the sky in the last panel. Would that impact the feat in anyway? Just asking out of curiosity
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Ofc the blast reached the doors, Pochita and Yoru were fighting on them
 
Yoru's explosion was powerful enough to knock down 1 or 2 Furnarius Rufus houses. That's a multiversal feat,
 
Lowkey with the whole superhero thing, it would be real cool if Denjiman got stronger with more people believing in him, hopeslop and stuff
 
Sammy818 said:
Lowkey with the whole superhero thing, it would be real cool if Denjiman got stronger with more people believing in him, hopeslop and stuff
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Instead of fear boost It’s hope boost or believe boost, like the more people that root for him
 
i dont see why yoru would be above small country AP if her nuclear punch seemingly didnt destroyed the entirety of japan, as the city yoru and pochita landed on its still intact
Sammy818 said:
Lowkey with the whole superhero thing, it would be real cool if Denjiman got stronger with more people believing in him, hopeslop and stuff
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besides the fact that it would be kinda convenient just bringing a hope boost concept out of nowhere were now pochita and denji arent weakened with it, whos gonna make propaganda making chainsawman be a superhero again? the second attempt of public safety on getting chainsawman and his erasing powers is first making him weaker (if hope boost worked then failling) so now they can catch him?
 
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