Suicide Weapon Delta vs Future Pirate King

[XxZetsuxX]

Delta VS Luffy Pre-Timeskip (Alabasta)

Rules:

• Speed is equalised.
• Starting Distance: 200 meters
• Location: Forest
• Delta's AP: 50 Kilotons
• Luffy's AP: 46 Kilotons (I think?)

	Delta's advantages: More Skilled Higher Stamina Claws Stealth Mastery with forest helping her out Sword with slime suit Intuition Senses	Suicide Weapon Delta -
	Luffy's advantages: LS Range Immune to blunt attacks Versatility Reactive Evolution AD Higher IQ ()	Future Pirate King -

 

[Kachon123]

I'm going to be completely honest, they have equal AP if not Luffy being superior. Delta upscales from 45 kilotons to 50 kilotons while Luffy is literally 2 one shots above his 46 kiloton value.

Also remove "better amps" from Delta's advantages because all of Luffy's strongest attacks upscale from Gum Gum Bazooka, which is 2x stronger than his normal attacks making him over 92 kilotons.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I'm going to be completely honest, they have equal AP if not Luffy being superior. Delta upscales from 45 kilotons to 50 kilotons while Luffy is literally 2 one shots above his 46 kiloton value.

Delta also upscales her 50 kilotons along with having the breathing amp which is also a one shot above her normal AP

Also remove "better amps" from Delta's advantages because all of Luffy's strongest attacks upscale from Gum Gum Bazooka, which is 2x stronger than his normal attacks

Why is he just 7-C instead of High 7-C with amps then?

 

[Kachon123]

Why is he just 7-C instead of High 7-C with amps then?

Because 92 kilotons is not High 7-C.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Because 96 kilotons is not High 7-C.

Oh, sorry i meant 7-C+

 

[Kachon123]

Oh, sorry i meant 7-C+

There are CRTs right now to generally clean up his early profiles (justifications and whatnot) since they haven't been touched for almost 5 years. You can look at literally every key and it's there. We're just working backwards from recent to least recent.

It's been accepted and used for years now

 

[XxZetsuxX]

There are CRTs right now to generally clean up his early profiles (justifications and whatnot) since they haven't been touched for almost 5 years. You can look at literally every key and it's there. We're just working backwards from recent to least recent.

It's been accepted and used for years now

Aight

Ok, so basically Luffy's highest AP is 92 Kilotons in this match up, is this right? nothing above this or a tier above?

 

[Kachon123]

Ok, so basically Luffy's highest AP is 92 Kilotons in this match up, is this right? nothing above this or a tier above?

Yes

 

[Kachon123]

Delta also upscales her 50 kilotons along with having the breathing amp which is also a one shot above her normal AP

That doesn't change the fact that the only reason Delta is 50 kilotons instead of 45 is because Eminence fans decided to upscale her into the intermediate tier (town level+). Luffy also upscales the same amount and the same could be done for him. Saying she has an AP advantage here just based on values makes no sense.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes

For Delta (Zefra can correct me, he is the main verse scaler)

Akane who did the 45 Kiloton feat is comparable to the weakest and recent number who joined the shadow garden, the seven shadows (like Zeta, Alpha, Beta and Delta and mabye Gamma) upscale enough to grant them 50 Kiloton

Delta is stated in terms of sheer power she surpasses all the Seven Shadows to the point she considers "weak" and "boring" opponents that require two of the Seven Shadows to be reliably defeated

So she upscales Alpha and Beta who have the point technique which is a amp where they can oneshot an opponent they couldn't damage prior and Delta can reach this level with sheer magic quantity so she scales to their point technique, along with having the breathing technique which is also a one shot above her normal AP where she can kill someone she couldn't dmg the opponent prior

Delta can get even more stronger with her main way of fighting which is via hunk of iron

 

[Kachon123]

For Delta (Zefra can correct me, he is the main verse scaler)

Akane who did the 45 Kiloton feat is comparable to the weakest and recent number who joined the shadow garden, the seven shadows (like Zeta, Alpha, Beta and Delta and mabye Gamma) upscale enough to grant them 50 Kiloton

Delta is stated in terms of sheer power she surpasses all the Seven Shadows to the point she considers "weak" and "boring" opponents that require two of the Seven Shadows to be reliably defeated

So she upscales Alpha and Beta who have the point technique which is a amp where they can oneshot an opponent they couldn't damage prior and Delta can reach this level with sheer magic quantity so she scales to their point technique, along with having the breathing technique which is also a one shot above her normal AP where she can kill someone she couldn't dmg the opponent prior

Delta can get even more stronger with her main way of fighting which is via hunk of iron

Sure but then you have:

Pell's durability scales above 46 Kilotons due to already being critically injured when performing the feat and Robin was able to one shot him casually. Crocodile could one shot Robin, and Luffy by the end of Alabasta was much stronger than Crocodile even while poisoned.

We already went over Luffy's amps as well.

 

[Kachon123]

Sure but then you have:

Pell's durability scales above 46 Kilotons due to already being critically injured when performing the feat and Robin was able to one shot him casually. Crocodile could one shot Robin, and Luffy by the end of Alabasta was much stronger than Crocodile even while poisoned.

We already went over Luffy's amps as well.

All of this to say that they both upscale a considerable amount from their values, so there's a lot more nuance than the values on their profiles. Enough nuance that makes giving Delta the AP advantage questionable at best. Especially because Luffy more times than not spams the attacks that are 2x stronger than her.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Alright, enough with the AP stuff, let's talk about other stuff

How would Luffy fair against someone with stealth mastery that can bypass even those with enhanced senses? A forest would be her playground

Claws and sword (which comes from her slime suit) negate Luffy's rubber properties

She also possesses more skill and better adaptability than Luffy along with having intuition that makes her stomp Luffy in analytical stuff

 

[Zefra3011]

Yeah, I feel like Delta would be able to exactly know where Rufy is 24/7 via her senses, while I'm unsure if Rufy really has a way to spot Delta even when close to her, preventing her from ambushing him and biting/cutting off an artery or something. I'm sure Rufy has some experience in fighting in a forest, but I don't know if and how he can use it here.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

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[Arkansalter2]

Not going to lie, Luffy will close the distance so fast that Delta's stealth should't even be anything of value here. His fruit should allow for him to cross that distance via limb stretch shenanigans.
Along with that, the moment that luffy gets his hands on Delta, might as well call it a GGs. Luffy's LS value comes from fruitless fingertips. If he has his fruit on and using say his arm, well..

Giving this to luffy, low-mid diff.

 

[Zefra3011]

I don't know how much it would work. He just knows the direction Delta is, not the distance or exact position. Also it would be hard to rocket himself (assumung you mean this) with all the trees between them, and if he just goes above them he might simply not see Delta because she's hidden under one. All assuming he knows her exact starting position (he doesnt other than the direction) and that he can somehow calculate a landing point close to her.

If you meant something else other than when he rocket himself then I don't think he can close whatever distance that fast for Delta not being able to hide.

How in-character is for rufy to go with LS? I've hardly seen him going for it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Starting Distance: 200 meters

SBA puts them in LOS within this distace.

How in-character is for rufy to go with LS? I've hardly seen him going for it.

Something like this.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

SBA puts them in LOS within this distace.

She can still hide though, forests are a place with high amounts of trees, bushes and stuff

Also, i don't think it does? could you point it out? i might be blind lawl

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Giving this to luffy, low-mid diff.

Also, it's too early to vote when neither have layed out every possible wincon for each

Delta can counter this as said above

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Delta lowkey seems to have the advantage here

Way I see it luffy could probably grapple her and then maybe mess her up that way although I'm not sure if he'd be able to keep her in his field of view

Leaning towards delta here

 

[Delusionaltx2]

SBA puts them in LOS within this distace.

She would be in line of sight for like a second at most then disappear on some Batman shenanigans (obv Batman curbs in stealth, but you get what I'm saying)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It's also in character for Delta to go after vital points to finish the fight as soon as possible, if they ever go into CQC, i don't see Luffy hitting her easily due to sheer skill, IA and anpr

 

[Zefra3011]

SBA puts them in LOS within this distace.

No, no it doesn't. Luffy'll just know in which direction Delta is.

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.

Luffy won't even know how far she is. Nor the fastest way to get to her.

Something like this.

That's striking strength. LS would be holding her down. But even if. It doesn't answer my question. I basically asked how often Luffy goes for an LS move. And for what I watched of One Piece, it's rare; basically all of his moves are SS.

Delta just has an incredible advantage because of this location.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's striking strength. LS would be holding her down. But even if. It doesn't answer my question. I basically asked how often Luffy goes for an LS move. And for what I watched of One Piece, it's rare; basically all of his moves are SS.

Delta just has an incredible advantage because of this location.

To answer your question luffy normally does this to improvise but here I don't really see how he could improvise tbh

I agree that luffy is at a massive disadvantage here

 

[Zefra3011]

To answer your question luffy normally does this to improvise but here I don't really see how he could improvise tbh

That's fine, but since all his moves are similar to what you sent above (afair), he won't just hold Delta down and repeatedly punch her until she dies, in-character.

Though Delta won't be able to free herself from each singular technique and must tank it. But to even catch her, Luffy must first find her and, after, bypass her intuition.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's fine, but since all his moves are similar to what you sent above (afair), he won't just hold Delta down and repeatedly punch her until she dies, in-character.

yeah thats true (I think he did that against crocodile but that was after a prolonged fight)

Though Delta won't be able to free herself from each singular technique and must tank it. But to even catch her, Luffy must first find her and, after, bypass her intuition.

Again thats true

 

[XxZetsuxX]

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[Arkansalter2]

That's striking strength. LS would be holding her down. But even if. It doesn't answer my question. I basically asked how often Luffy goes for an LS move. And for what I watched of One Piece, it's rare; basically all of his moves are SS.

Except one which is Bow Gun.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Except one which is Bow Gun.

We still don't know how he will find Delta or if he can even touch her because of intuition and skill

 

[Arkansalter2]

We still don't know how he will find Delta or if he can even touch her because of intuition and skill

Luffy can probably smell her due to his advanced smell senses.

 

[Zefra3011]

If you ignore that characters with far better smell can't find her, sure.

EDIT: The scans on his profile are broken, so admittedly I can't be sure if Luffy is actually inferior, but I won't assume it given how OP senses are in EIS. What are his smell feats?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

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