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Potential huge LS and AP God tier bleach upgrade (Squad zero level characters)

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Now that everything is settled, this is whats left to do;

Link this feat under the feat section in the bleach verse blog page

Update the AP ratings based of nova's scaling arrangements information.

Attach nova's scaling breakdown to the bleach verse blog so anyone can understand the reasonings behind it to avoid future complications.
 
Have done
Ichibe
Kirio
Tenjiro
Senjumaru
Oetsu
Ginjo
Zaraki
Please check over them
I'll see about doing Uryu and Ichigo in a bit
Specterxxxx said:
Renji's bankai has a different rating from another statistic value should be created for renji.

Other than that, this is fine.
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I went through and edited all the pages (That's actually what I meant when I said I went through the pages to make sure they look good) and you probably looked at Renji's page while I was editing it lol, I already made a value.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
There's currently no evidence of a accepted 10x amp for Jujishio, meaning that it wouldn't be included in this CRT which is about who scales to a particular calc.

If you want to argue for it, then a seperate thread would be needed in my view.

For the scaling I agreed with DragonNova's revision.
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Ye
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Okay, so I haven't tagged either of you for super minor revisions to the chart like fixing ZetaFoe to ZettaFoe or removing spaces for formatting or adding extra decimal points (no joule value changed).
However, we did forget that Uryu has a key for when he's just using Sklaverei, so I had to actually add that to the chart.
Here is the separate section I had to add. Is this alright?
3.68e+67 Joules368 ZettaFoeCalc / Blut (x10)Uryu with Sklaverei3-C
 
It has been a second bit, so I've finished Uryu
Please let me know if there's any mistakes or any other character that needs to be scaled.
Also, I need mods to confirm of the Sklaverei end is okay
 
DragonZeroNova said:
It has been a second bit, so I've finished Uryu
Please let me know if there's any mistakes or any other character that needs to be scaled.
Also, I need mods to confirm of the Sklaverei end is okay
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Why are we not adding uryu possibly overpowering Ichigo’s blut again? Qaws and leph had no issue with that and we don't need to create a CRT for that. It is the same way we have been doing quincy scaling.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Why are we not adding uryu possibly overpowering Ichigo’s blut again? Qaws and leph had no issue with that and we don't need to create a CRT for that. It is the same way we have been doing quincy scaling.
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It wasn't in the charts Qaw put, so I didn't put it either. Ask them again if they're alright with Uryu scaling to possibly 36.8 YottaFoe using Blut (which would then buff Uryu and Renji and possibly everyone else other then Senna)
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Uryu scales to 1/10th of his Blut. This would raise his base voll and sklav voll as well. Though granted, idk if it would affect Squad Zero after all, it would change Renji.
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Regular amped blut and slavekrei and vol amped blut is not the same is it? Slavekrei and vol absorb far more reishi to amp blut compared to regular blut only renji scales to
 
Specterxxxx said:
Regular amped blut and slavekrei and vol amped blut is not the same is it? Slavekrei and vol absorb far more reishi to amp blut compared to regular blut only renji scales to
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Sklav is at least 3x and since it's an absorption technique, I'll just decide that if this possibly is accepted, Uryu did the big suck and got way more in the possibly ratings, so I'll just deal with Uryu and Renji.
I'm not changing anything until Qaw and Lep weigh in though
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Sklav is at least 3x and since it's an absorption technique, I'll just decide that if this possibly is accepted, Uryu did the big suck and got way more in the possibly ratings, so I'll just deal with Uryu and Renji.
I'm not changing anything until Qaw and Lep weigh in though
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So we agree renji wouldn't scale then?
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Please update the justifications to include Senna instead of just slapping a tier on it.
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The feat should be linked to the statistics rating for good measure.

We should also link the scaling breakdown to the blog.

I would do it myself but nova seems better at this kind of things.
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Unsure. Need to figure out Uryu's scaling first, though I'll do that when I have time and if mods agree to the feat.
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Uryu is 122.6 zetta foe in base, 1.226 with blut, 3.68 with slavkrei amped volstanding (renji doesn't scale) and should be possibly 36.8 zettafoe with blut amped by slavekrei amped volstanding (renji doesn't scale) since he destroyed Ichigo’s torso which should be protected by his own blut. There should be no reason to doubt Ichigo’s body not being protected by blut when we see it protecting him earlier against far weaker attacks

@Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist are we open to adding a possibly rating of slavekrei amped uryu scaling to Ichigo's blut defense. It is the same method of scaling we use for characters scaling to blut quinces so it is consistent to follow that reasoning here as well but if don't consider the rating then it's fine and we move on to any other potential issues or close the thread.
 
Specterxxxx said:
The feat should be linked to the statistics rating for good measure.

We should also link the scaling breakdown to the blog.

I would do it myself but nova seems better at this kind of things.


Uryu is 122.6 zetta foe in base, 1.226 with blut, 3.68 with slavkrei amped volstanding (renji doesn't scale) and should be possibly 36.8 zettafoe with blut amped by slavekrei amped volstanding (renji doesn't scale) since he destroyed Ichigo’s torso which should be protected by his own blut. There should be no reason to doubt Ichigo’s body not being protected by blut when we see it protecting him earlier against far weaker attacks

@Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist are we open to adding a possibly rating of slavekrei amped uryu scaling to Ichigo's blut defense. It is the same method of scaling we use for characters scaling to blut quinces so it is consistent to follow that reasoning here as well but if don't consider the rating then it's fine and we move on to any other potential issues or close the thread.
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What do you mean by this? Do you want me to link the calc in the table or what?
 
DragonZeroNova said:
What do you mean by this? Do you want me to link the calc in the table or what?
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No worries, seems like you already linked the feat in Senna’s profile so there is no need for justifications or anything like that.

But don't forget to attach a link to your scaling breakdown table to the bleach verse blog preferably after the feat calc section. To avoid future CRTs of the scaling not being clear or understandable.
 
I have some major issues with some of these characters scaling, and I thought this thread was for getting the calc accepted? Why is everyone getting changed when scaling should be done in a separate thread?
 
SilentBob34 said:
I have some major issues with some of these characters scaling, and I thought this thread was for getting the calc accepted? Why is everyone getting changed when scaling should be done in a separate thread?
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A thread can be multi purpose it just takes a bit of time for all staff to get on track with it. It's not like scaling wasnt agreed either since its clearly proposed.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
A thread can be multi purpose it just takes a bit of time for all staff to get on track with it. It's not like scaling wasnt agreed either since its clearly proposed.
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Not how that works, we have a previously god tier feat that was the basis for them scaling that high, being upgraded. It’s obvious it should be called into contention about scaling when people who have no feat of the god tiers randomly scale to it

There’s feats of base Uryu being weaker than Bankai Senjumaru who’s 4B yet he randomly scales up to TS Ichigo who sent him fleeing for his life with a casual Getsuga.
 
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Senjumaru has her own feat which base Uryu and awakened Uryu would scale too. Ichigo vs Uryu showed Uryu couldn’t do anything until powering up in his strongest form. Renji needed Bankai just to contend with base Uryu. This whole scaling doesn’t make any sense
 
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Ichigo Kurosaki (Pre-Timeskip)

Ichigo Kurosaki (黒崎くろさき 一いち護ご, Kurosaki Ichigo?) is the son of Masaki and Isshin Kurosaki, a Quincy with the powers of a Soul Reaper. Years after the death of his mother, Ichigo uses his innate spiritual awareness to help local ghosts, and unlocks his potential as a Soul Reaper when Rukia...
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pre time skip ichigo seems to have been skipped
 
SilentBob34 said:
Senjumaru has her own feat which base Uryu and awakened Uryu would scale too. Ichigo vs Uryu showed Uryu couldn’t do anything until powering up in his strongest form. Renji needed Bankai just to contend with base Uryu. This whole scaling doesn’t make any sense
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Do you genuinely not understand how downscaling works? Check nova's scaling ramifications table.

Senjumaru's feat was casual flex of reaistu that isn't her full power force, a supporting evidence of relativity is full power squad zero capable of causing serious damage or potential destruction of the realms if they all use their true power, even senjumaru is told not to over do her power implying only her alone can cause serious cosmological effects to the realms showing similar ball park of power to the blank's.

Another supporting evidence is ichigo instinctively using blut to block base uryu arrows, literally the first time Ichigo does this since he got his true zanpakto, shows even base uryu can potentially harm him. And so we downscale his base and vol stats from his full power that more than likely scales to or above true shikai ichigo.

And lastly, Ichibei is still convinced he could beat post 9 years strength yhwach after he awakened, it's only when yhwach uses the almighty bs that Ichibei looses hope. That same yhwach could go toe to toe with true shikai ichigo in terms of stats.

So in all, this shows relativity even If they are still weaker consistent narrative supports relativity and so we downscale them from our accepted multipliers values.
 
Ralp0054 said:
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Ichigo Kurosaki (Pre-Timeskip)

Ichigo Kurosaki (黒崎くろさき 一いち護ご, Kurosaki Ichigo?) is the son of Masaki and Isshin Kurosaki, a Quincy with the powers of a Soul Reaper. Years after the death of his mother, Ichigo uses his innate spiritual awareness to help local ghosts, and unlocks his potential as a Soul Reaper when Rukia...
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pre time skip ichigo seems to have been skipped
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Thank you, but he's locked so I'll need someone to unlock him
 
Specterxxxx said:
Do you genuinely not understand how downscaling works? Check nova's scaling ramifications table.

Senjumaru's feat was casual flex of reaistu that isn't her full power force, a supporting evidence of relativity is full power squad zero capable of causing serious damage or potential destruction of the realms if they all use their true power, even senjumaru is told not to over do her power implying only her alone can cause serious cosmological effects to the realms showing similar ball park of power to the blank's.

Another supporting evidence is ichigo instinctively using blut to block base uryu arrows, literally the first time Ichigo does this since he got his true zanpakto, shows even base uryu can potentially harm him. And so we downscale his base and vol stats from his full power that more than likely scales to or above true shikai ichigo.

And lastly, Ichibei is still convinced he could beat post 9 years strength yhwach after he awakened, it's only when yhwach uses the almighty bs that Ichibei looses hope. That same yhwach could go toe to toe with true shikai ichigo in terms of stats.

So in all, this shows relativity even If they are still weaker consistent narrative supports relativity and so we downscale them from our accepted multipliers values.
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So Senjumaru has a feat. That in no way means base Uryu (who couldn’t beat her until he used the antithesis) scales to Ichigo. Did you watch the battle? Ichigo needed Blut Vene to block an arrow from base Uryu. Renji casually kicked one away with his foot.

Your scaling implies true shikai Ichigo with Blut is weaker than Renji’s foot🤦‍♂️

The evidence we have is base Uryu deciding he’s not a match for Ichigo. The same base Uryu who let Renji hit him with everything he has. Then we have two instances of Uryu powering up to his maximum. He treated Renji as a joke and treated Ichigo as someone that can milk him. Did you even watch TYBW anime?
 
SilentBob34 said:
So Senjumaru has a feat. That in no way means base Uryu (who couldn’t beat her until he used the antithesis) scales to Ichigo. Did you watch the battle? Ichigo needed Blut Vene to block an arrow from base Uryu. Renji casually kicked one away with his foot.
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Base uryu couldn't beat her because she was hiding in her bankai lol, she dodged every shot and he tanked all her attacks with blut. Who wins in a fight is irrelevant, the question is are they relative and in the same ball park in terms of stats and the answer is yes.

Renji did not tanked it, he redirected it, its also why he used his bankai baboon arms to block uryu licht regen and not outright tank it
SilentBob34 said:
Your scaling implies true shikai Ichigo with Blut is weaker than Renji’s foot🤦‍♂️
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No it doesn't because Renji's foot didn't tank anything. Redirection isn't durability.
SilentBob34 said:
The evidence we have is base Uryu deciding he’s not a match for Ichigo.
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That's not an evidence we already know base uryu downscales from his full power who scales to true shikai ichigo and that is what is in the table.
SilentBob34 said:
The same base Uryu who let Renji hit him with everything he has. Then we have two instances of Uryu powering up to his maximum. He treated Renji as a joke and treated Ichigo as someone that can milk him. Did you even watch TYBW anime?
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You realise this proves nothing right? Renji also downscale from blut uryu. Read nova's charts
 
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I don't know why you guys are discussing something already accepted on the profiles long ago, and already accepted again here, this thread is finished, if someone want the scaling to be changed, it needs another CRT.

Uryu will be left as it is as well, just update the values.

The last profile that needs to be changed is Pre-TS Ichigo so if any of you @LephyrTheRevanchist or @Qawsedf234 can unlock it we can finish this revision.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
I don't know why you guys are discussing something already accepted on the profiles long ago, and already accepted again here, this thread is finished, if someone want the scaling to be changed, it needs another CRT.

Uryu will be left as it is as well, just update the values.

The last profile that needs to be changed is Pre-TS Ichigo so if any of you @LephyrTheRevanchist or @Qawsedf234 can unlock it we can finish this revision.
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