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There's also Ichigo saying he could do it in half a day, if that counts.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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He doesn't use values from speed calculations but stated speeds. (Speed of lightning)
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Mmm, idk about that one
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After, skimming through multiple books on relativity, time dilation and all that. It would take 0.9995c at minimum to make time appear to stop. I would recommend @Ralp0054 makes a CRT on hikone speed old removal and new potential upgrade and shikai ichigo downscale and see if it gets accepted before making the calcs
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That would be stop in almost a literal sense.
This basically means every blitz scenes etc would also count as 0.9995c since it appears "stopped" for them as well. This isn't an acceptable method of scaling in the wiki (as far as i know)
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No. It uses wiki's own "snail speed" and still arbitrary.
The only thing that comes from the statement is that the difference in speed is huge. The calc is based on it.
If it were something like "Doing it with near light speed" or etc, you could use 0.9c or something like how you use lighting speed.
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What I'm trying to do is to get advice and suggestions from you, thank you again.
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Except in those scenes, the author doesn't say time stops like this one.
The author is clearly explaining the mechanics of the movement and how the movement causes time dilation and other phenomena. This doesn't apply to perception blitz.
And 0.9995 is when the time slows down so much it appears to stop (which the author says) not time stops. That value would be much closer to light speed in comparison.
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Time stop should only occur at Lightspeed. Moving at .9995c would result in a lorentz factor of 0.03165 (or 31.6 seconds).
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This is basically every "frozen" moment.
Claiming otherwise would be a limit to the verse itself, no? Like "so this phenomenon happens when you reach near light speed in verse?"
I mean, you guys are free to attempt in this way, it's just my opinion that it wouldn't get accepted
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Not every frozen moment affects inertia and gravity. Again, unless those other moments comes from the author who is very knowledgeable on quantum physics and directly gives situation that would only be applicable to relevalistics speed, i don't see the comparison.
And how is this a limit to the verse? Characters can still go above light speed and beyond. Only just that if they travel at the speed, they would cause certain phenomena
Sure.
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No. Why would that be.
There's a context. It's not like everybody is experiencing this. Only ones who are moving at that speed, or moved at some point.
We can see about that later.
That's a misinterpretation. It's more like anime added stuff and avoided adapting some stuffs since they are already adding a lot of new contents. It doesn’t invalidate manga materials.
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@Specterxxxx @Ralp0054 I think we should take the lights in bleach and the relevant feats into consideration for more grounded calcs.
Relativity does give direct values anyway.
Relativity does give direct values anyway.
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Honestly, We need a more concrete and accurate soul palace distance than the one we have as the current one uses a speed rating of true shikai Ichigo’s travel that he far outscales. He was causally blitzing lightning level speeds in base and should be much faster than that.
Now if the CRT gets accepted, Ichigo's travel speed would downscale to 0.09995c and the time frame whether 12 hours from Ichigo’s both anime and manga statement of needing at most 12 hours (half a day) to cross that distance or 9 hrs 15 minutes based on the manga clock, the anime doesn't have. Any time frame used is fine by me.
We should also calc shunsui dodging Lille's light beams later for a nice supporting feat.
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Why would ichigo's travel speed be this low. What's currently accepted value.
Pretty sure even grimjow's (who is pretty much low tier) travel speed surpasses lightning speed in nature. No?
Yeah timeframe should be revised. I think we should keep manga one. Since 9.5 hours still indicates almost half a day.
What's faster between mimihagi and auswahlen?
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Yes, hell even the Onmitsukidō, soi fon's fighting unit is stated to combat at lightning speeds in cyfow and they all got perception blitzed by ss arc yoruichi. So a god tier ichigo should be wayyyy faster than that.
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Even if it's absurdly high value into mftl+, go for it. In fact such low value seems so much more absurd atp.
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I remember that the steps they gave Ichigo going down to the Seireitei, would take an entire week WITH Flash Step. So maybe you can figure it out with that?
on 0:26 you can see the comparison between the character's size and that of the stairs.
on 0:26 you can see the comparison between the character's size and that of the stairs.
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Good point. Forgot about that.
@Specterxxxx does sealed squad zero scales above the likes of grimjow?
Cause if so, even characters of that caliber gonna take whole week to cover the distance which ichigo covered in half a day. Does that give any calculable insight?
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To be fair, cyfow grimjoww is stronger than his tybw key so it would be hard to link him to squad zero.
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Sorry no we don't do this, you don't get to pick and choose elements when it suits you and ignore the ones when it does not help your situation, it's been accepted the anime will entirely override the manga and be the new canon, you're obviously free to disagree with that but unless someone makes a thread to change how we evaluate tybw content on here, the old distance is entirely unusable per our established guidelines, it's the very reason gremmy's space feat is multi solar and not multi galaxy.
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Well the full week is through the stairs, and is a bit casual. So MAYBE that angled stairs distance with AT LEAST Lightning speed, due to Flash Step ofc being FAR higher can be the new distance? Which honestly might be A LOOOOT farther... if its a goddamn Week.
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To be fair, they were still disagreements on whether those were star clusters or galaxies but your overall point is true.
Correct me if I am wrong but the stairs doesn't lead all the way to seretei right? It most likely covers the path until you reach the seretei's atmosphere.
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Tybw sealed SZ member still has higher rating than cfyow Grimjow it seems.
Doesn’t really matter if it's stairs or not. It doesn’t even talk about stairs anyway. It's very clearly about "flash step". Also it seems it only creates a confined space.
"Loot further" this kind of thought shouldn’t cloud your judgement. That's a clear cut predujice. It is actually lot further, it's a godddamnn seperated dimension.
Thay's not what I am doing though and you don’t have to be sorry about expressing your opinion.
My point is anime should only take predescence over manga only when it's correcting some information deliberately in a conflicting way. We shouldn’t dismiss manga information which aren't adapted which is normal for anime adaptation just because anime takes predescence over manga
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In AP, not speed. Its going to take a lot to argue that.
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Or we can just use average lightning shunpo since fodders can shunpo at lightning speed and multiply it by a week.
This saves the hassle of creating a CRT and crazy stress. I would personally use the second option as it is direct and doesn't require mental gymnastics to comprehend so it should remove stack calcing concerns.
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That could work
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This still leaves huge hole narratively. I mean they got unfathomably stronger than their former forms, the difference between these form is just astronomical.
We can find other characters who can relate to SZ. It looks odd to compare them with some squad member fodders.
Let's see if we can get more input on this. I think it's better to tackle the speed from the beginning of the series which I suppose arc planned. That way we can have better scaling chain and more accurate value. For example, ishida has been potrayed as a decent speedster within the verse and senju was pressing him in speed. So sealed SZ being slower than grimjow looks odd (grimjow is in fact a low tier at that point, I would say same goes for all arrancers except baraggan and above)
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My first option was a troll since that is still literal calc staking, I meant to strike that out. My bad
My second option wasn't, because Tenjiro is most likely making that statement in comparison to good shunpo users who should be superior to the lightning fast Onmitsukidō shunpo. Tenjiro is also called "lightning fast Tenjiro" and he sees Ichigo’s movements was comparable to his in his sealed state and he most likely makes this statement in response to how fast he thinks ichigo shunpo is which should be immensely superior to ss arc yoruichi's that blitzed multiple lightning fast Onmitsukidō at the same time.
All in all, lightning speed (4.4 e5 end) could be multiplied by a week to get the distance. This is the most direct method that doesn't depend on assumptions.
My second option wasn't, because Tenjiro is most likely making that statement in comparison to good shunpo users who should be superior to the lightning fast Onmitsukidō shunpo. Tenjiro is also called "lightning fast Tenjiro" and he sees Ichigo’s movements was comparable to his in his sealed state and he most likely makes this statement in response to how fast he thinks ichigo shunpo is which should be immensely superior to ss arc yoruichi's that blitzed multiple lightning fast Onmitsukidō at the same time.
All in all, lightning speed (4.4 e5 end) could be multiplied by a week to get the distance. This is the most direct method that doesn't depend on assumptions.
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In the past it was assumed Tenjiro meant fodder Shinigami’s Shunpo in regards to the week long statement which never made sense to me. I always thought Tenjiro was talking about Squad zeros average speed since they’re the only ones who would ever need to take the passage. Couple in Grimmjow having confirmed lightning speed via CFYOW and Tenjiro being called “lightning fast” it makes sense to use lightning speed for a week long travel.
Would also explain why he was shocked when Ichigo said he could make it in half a day. Ichigo was just that much faster now lol.
Funny enough, Ichigo says he can make it in half a day. In the manga he makes it in about 9 hours via the clock tower. And in the anime he makes it in about an hour via Ichibei telling him the invasion started 3 hours before he left and I believe the anime site said that several hours after the second invasion begin, numerous Shinigami felt Ichigo’s tremendous reiatsu descend into the heart of the enemy. Several meaning 3 to 4 so anime Ichigo made the massive trip in about an hour
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In the anime you can see Ichigo flying down towards a planet. You can see Soul Society’s planet shape atmosphere curvature.
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I don’t think using the stairs is a reliable method tbh
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If you have stair step size, elapsed time, and character speed, you can measure distance.
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The distance will be destroyed then lol. Better use a free falling human falling for a week than go those extra steps. I’d say just wait to see how people think lighting speed X a week distance would play out
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No you can’t, chill out apple
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If the seireitei is around 1500km then yhwach's Auswählen ring should be around 30,000km since it dwarfed the royal palace cities which is comparable to the Seireitei and that could easily fit in the Royal palace so distance between the Royal Palace cities and the seireitei is much more then 30,000km
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