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Kiana Kaslana Vs Irontomb (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Honkai Impact 3rd)

Super_Nova said:
Can I have this scan
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was about to check the profile to find the scan till Irontomb said no

This might make me switch votes because how the hell did he just decide to say no you cannot search vsbw because u didnt vote for me…facking tsundere ravager
 
PedjaTarzan said:
was about to check the profile to find the scan till Irontomb said no

This might make me switch votes because how the hell did he just decide to say no you cannot search vsbw because u didnt vote for me…facking tsundere ravager
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this guy is so op the very imgur i sent doesnt work…
 
Voidnether said:
That'd mean Sea of Quanta is acknowledged for the second time in HSR other than the Quantum Ripples description, bubble worlds and leaf worlds operate differently I'm sure even if they're both MWI. I don't think it'd be Low 2-C or 2-A either, 1-B was accepted through Otto who transcended reality (Sea of Quanta) and became part of the Imaginary Tree. This is the physical plane of the Imaginary Tree by the way, not the metaphysical one like Path Spaces where the Aeons are and so on

Kiana existing outside IT or not, it's because Kiana is an Imaginary self that resides in the Imaginary Spaces, Imaginary Space are unaffected by Irontomb's destruction because again, the scope is only limited to the physical plane of the Imaginary Tree if anything

But yeah, I think the physical plane is obviously 1-B
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The problem is that it's stated directly that the SoQ is relative to the imaginary tree in the sense that it tries to absorb it and vice versa, and neither succeeds, so the SoQ is 12D (according to the current scale on VSBW). And for bubble and leaf worlds, yes, they function differently, but that doesn't change the fact that Zandar's theory concerns leaf worlds (I just saw my mistake, sorry, I keep reversing them, so for my previous arguments, replace "bubble world" with "leaf world"). Therefore, it's indeed between L2-C and 2-A because leaf worlds are universes.
 
MotherStar said:
The problem is that it's stated directly that the SoQ is relative to the imaginary tree in the sense that it tries to absorb it and vice versa, and neither succeeds, so the SoQ is 12D (according to the current scale on VSBW). And for bubble and leaf worlds, yes, they function differently, but that doesn't change the fact that Zandar's theory concerns leaf worlds (I just saw my mistake, sorry, I keep reversing them, so for my previous arguments, replace "bubble world" with "leaf world"). Therefore, it's indeed between L2-C and 2-A because leaf worlds are universes.
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Irontomb targets Imaginary Energy directly, so to limit his span to 2-A is to say Imaginary caps there as well
 
so like if i destroy the entire 12D structure filled with 4D shit of which there are infinite ammounts of them am i 2-A or 1-B (answer is 3-C)
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Believe there's a mention of it in the blog.
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its about manipulating all honkai phenomena but i think the scan motherstar refers to is this

which I honestly dont find it exactly true because even Aeons, characters who literally embody entire Path and controlling all of its imaginary energy do not control all of Imaginary itself.
You can think of CoF like how Aeon has access to all IMG energy of THEIR Path.
CoF is basically Temu Aeon given it has all the properties except being bound by the prime mover.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
its about manipulating all honkai phenomena but i think the scan motherstar refers to is this

which I honestly dont find it exactly true because even Aeons, characters who literally embody entire Path and controlling all of its imaginary energy do not control all of Imaginary itself.
You can think of CoF like how Aeon has access to all IMG energy of THEIR Path.
CoF is basically Temu Aeon given it has all the properties except being bound by the prime mover.
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Aren’t there multiple Imaginary Spaces? I think that Elysian realm thingy was also one

Also manipulating Imaginary Space ≠ all Imaginary
 
Also is there more context on that Imaginary Singularity thing, cuz those scans genuinely give me some Low 1-A crumbs
 
Super_Nova said:
That doesn’t really say that… it clearly equates the Imaginary Tree with the Space
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I mean i always see IT as both Physical universe and the metaphysical realm that encompasses the universe as one. just that right now trough how hsr goes, IT is always used as physical universe as it is an actual model of the universe proposed by zandar (and even hi3 has the cases of IT just being physical universe)
 
PedjaTarzan said:
I mean i always see IT as both Physical universe and the metaphysical realm that encompasses the universe as one. just that right now trough how hsr goes, IT is always used as physical universe as it is an actual model of the universe proposed by zandar (and even hi3 has the cases of IT just being physical universe)
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Imaginary Space and Real Space would need to have some sort of overlapping relationship for the cosmology to function so the tree analogue should be applicable to both
 
Super_Nova said:
Also is there more context on that Imaginary Singularity thing, cuz those scans genuinely give me some Low 1-A crumbs
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Well according to what i have read abt the blog and the game itself.
You can basically say that
CoF=Imaginary Singularity, CoF transcends all dimensions and is dimensionless due to being Imaginary Singularity since Imaginary singularity is dimensionless.
Even IT (including IMG space here) is said to not exist inside a dimension they can get in touch with, hence is called imaginary.
And mind you, welt can affect all dimensions with Singularity Rebuild, but somehow this is not applicable for Imaginary Space because obviously if we take all the scans here, Imaginary itself must exist beyond dimensions. theres already low 1-A thread explaining this better than i do. But yeah i genuenly dont see how the verse caps at 1-B when we have so much shit explaining how the verse has realms that are completely beyond dimensions.
And then you have Aeons who are so superior to Real Space that they have to project themselves in forms of avatars and manifestations while their true selves exist within Path Space which is also within Imaginary Space.
All this is just consistent with how Actual Higher Dimensional beings like Ryusuke see lower dimensions as nothing but a fiction where lower dimensional person GENUENLY cannot do anything to you while you easily destroy them.
 
The problem I’m having is that it treats the singularity as just a genuine 0-dimensional point… which is just a point. And unlike say a 4D object which cannot be graphed unto a 3D plane, a point can be graphed on all dimensions. (As infinitely zooming into any dimension [i.e any infinite-decimal number corresponding to R] gives you a 0-dimensional point)
 
Thooooo reading the Welt scan, it says “where space was born” which revokes spatiality for the Imaginary Singularity. If that’s true, then Low 1-A seems very solid
 
Super_Nova said:
The problem I’m having is that it treats the singularity as just a genuine 0-dimensional point… which is just a point. And unlike say a 4D object which cannot be graphed unto a 3D plane, a point can be graphed on all dimensions. (As infinitely zooming into any dimension [i.e any infinite-decimal number corresponding to R] gives you a 0-dimensional point)
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No, the singularity is not a 0-dimensional point, it's a dimensionless "Pure Singularity" that doesn't have any dimensional information. This is the nature of the Cocoon of Finality that transcends all dimensions in the verse basically, regarding Low 1-A, that tier is easily achieved if you're above all dimensions so yeah

Not to mention, this, this and this
 
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Super_Nova said:
Ye this doesn’t say that. You cane easily equate the Cocoon to a Stellaron with this lmao
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What? Idk what you mean by this, but I moreso referred to the content of the text. Idk why there isn't a scan that links to what's being said, the cosmology page is a little rough around the edges on some areas. But the main point is that CoF is the source of all Honkai related phenomena, I know the scan is mentioned somewhere in the moon arc but I cba to find it.
PedjaTarzan said:
which I honestly dont find it exactly true because even Aeons, characters who literally embody entire Path and controlling all of its imaginary energy do not control all of Imaginary itself.
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Yeah agreed, though I'd love to sit here and argue Sirin is actually Aeon level and negs Zephyro
PedjaTarzan said:
You can think of CoF like how Aeon has access to all IMG energy of THEIR Path.
CoF is basically Temu Aeon given it has all the properties except being bound by the prime mover.
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Pretty much this, also fym CoF is Temu Aeon? Aeon is Temu CoF 🗿
 
Super_Nova said:
Thooooo reading the Welt scan, it says “where space was born” which revokes spatiality for the Imaginary Singularity. If that’s true, then Low 1-A seems very solid
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From downgrades to L1A back to L1A this site will never cease to amaze me.
 
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