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Cream can't nuke solar systems or universes... Doesn't have the range to do so.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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But having the power to do so is damn near the same thing...
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The real litmus test is if Sonic cant have T2 stuff, who should?
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ShakeResounding
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Starts with a G, ends with a U, consistents of 4 letters, and rhymes with Aku.
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GU... Akug... im dumb can you tell me it gng 
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... GokuGU... Akug... im dumb can you tell me it gng
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Fezzih_007
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That's a hard one Bro, don't worry.GU... Akug... im dumb can you tell me it gng
I not sure If the character even exist, Shake is probally trolling.
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Okay, I believe I might have enough basis to make a CRT regarding Sonic and the Secret Rings to upgrade the Arabian Nights from 2 Universes to 7 or 8 Universes.
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Thanks for the warm welcome. Sorry for the late reply, I had to adjust the wiki page and how to reply to specific sentences without adding all of them. ReWrite here, and there. some problem's but it's all over
Well my first visit was, either " MFTL base cast" or "Debunking 2-B Sonic Characters" (but I assume it's mostly second option) in 2022 (or mostly before sonic prime first episode) seen the other people defend sonic characters being in a tier above planet Level, and slowly getting up from solar system, galaxy, to universal level, is Admirable. Which made me want to see more so I searched Each old blog had Sonic cast get mentioned, from ultimate emerl demand as outlier then change as valid feat, Nonaggression actual location, classic cast downscaling, and so on until the modern blog, it was enjoyable reading the discussions
Well hopefully we draw same conclusion on future blogs.
Yeah, I'm aware of others not having the Time to reply to a comment, or already discussing that on a different page.
But that wouldn't stop the other half from sharing their thoughts on the topic or changing their mind in certain areas.
Again thanks for your consideration and the first reply to me.
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Ah, don't worry about it. Just glad you're getting in the reigns of the site.
Ahhh, nostalgic times...
Nah man, thanks to YOU for being cordial and polite. You could have bashed us any which way you wanted, but you decided to make proper introductions first. So, the pleasure is all mine!
Just a fair warning, people on this site tend to be a little... cutthroat, perhaps defensive, for lack of better words (and not just this fandom, there's a few in every fandom on and off this site). There are people here that will make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then you can hop into a different thread the very next moment and engage with somebody that makes you wanna pull a tooth out bare-handed. Just figured I should warn you, because I'm sure all the wiki members here have clear memories regarding their first distasteful argument/debate/encounter. Figured I could at least help you mentally prepare for that possibility.
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Which probably cause of their downfall, I don't want to be negative to you or anyone but I always feel the thing happened to Mario would happen to sonic, even though Each series having it's own plot stupidity, it wouldn't be that far to say someone like Armorchompy would bring blog about sonic anti-feats like the white door (generation)
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I will, though I mostly just go away these kind things (since it doesn't affect me nor my view on power scaling), stressful discussion. But since I'm in a vswiki it's different, either give my best to convince people on my point and continue my debate with other against person who disagree with it, or give up
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Still, it's funny to see Cream beat characters like Omniman or titans
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Tbh the mario one ONLY works because of the way mario is structured as a series with like almost 0 definitive timeline or connecting issue aside from most stuff at least being post 64 but outside of that unless something is a direct sequel it usually doesn't fall neatly into a timeline of events like sonic or have consistent continuity thus making every single version and his anti-feats all the more valid since he's a composite on the wiki, so has much less of a risk for this
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Plus, Sonic has consistent characters that have done similar feats; Time Eater gobbled up the cosmology per his name, The End who's stated to be above Sonic's past enemies, like Solaris or whatnot. Hell, even characters like Infinite have a statement of him being above all of Sonic's enemies (not trying to gun Base Sonic > God tiers) but its very consistent in of itself for him to get faster/stronger then before.
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Cream memes are cope ngl
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Like, Sonic scaling seems pretty easy, like, he had one of the easiest Multiversal+ upgrades in the site. In Tailstube, Tails said there was infinite universes, Time Eater who destroyed the cosmology scales, Solaris did the same thing, The End is stronger then them, all god tiers are now Multiversal+. The hard part is to actually get up from that, Hypertimelines and stuff like that to get the cosmology higher and stuff
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Like Time Eater, Solaris, and The End are all the three great sonic constants, as long as anything is added into the cosmology to a significant degree, there is a 100% chance they will scale to it since they've nuked the cosmology 
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Perhaps. Although say what you will but at least Sonic probably isn't getting nerfed as bad as Mario any time soon mostly because Master Core ABIS is pretty definitively 5-A at least for that black hole it made and base characters scaling to it is uncomplicated unlike what happened with base form Mario characters not scaling to cosmic artifacts.
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technically Time Eater was nerfed in SXSG and was eating the dimensional energy of each universe overtime, but should probably still be near multi and at higher via. scaling to Super Sonic
Also Egg Wizard helps out a bunch bc it's one of the more solid multi arguments where you can't just randomly it's hax unlike Solaris and TE, i believe
Also Egg Wizard helps out a bunch bc it's one of the more solid multi arguments where you can't just randomly it's hax unlike Solaris and TE, i believe
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I see, though I don't dismiss the idea of someone make a blog about sonic anti-feats for their reasons (someday in the future)
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Downgraded to Universal+ in the remaster
Tails is stupid and doesn't know what he's talking about.
Multi-Uni at absolute best.
Was exaggerating.
Doesn't exist.
Checkmate, "Scholars". Downgrade time.
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TRUE FACTUAL SCALING.
Also Egg Wizard? What's that? Never heard of it.
Also Egg Wizard? What's that? Never heard of it.
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The whole "The End was just gassing itself up" is funny because not only do they take it from Ian Flynn the powerscaling troll, but the game itself contradicts this as Dark Gaia is only on par with The End's casual lasers, as well as Tails doubting Super Sonic's ability against Knight. As well as The End saying it has destroyed countless stars when Ian claimed it's only a destroyer on a planetary level 
also uhhh Egg Wizard planet blast and marine, planet level at best ignore all other statements /j
also uhhh Egg Wizard planet blast and marine, planet level at best ignore all other statements /j
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I always being wonder what made Flynn say that?. Didn't he made the end stronger than all the titans combined, so they had to seal IT into a different dimension?.
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In all seriousness he saw it primarily as it just boasting about itself, with its whole ego you see in-game. It's also probably due to him being a fan of a more grounded take on Sonic. Which nothing wrong with that ofc, just saying
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Which is absolutely and hilariously ironic because one would expect to see the majority of the Sonic fandom here celebrate over being rated higher than Mario. Instead the exact opposite has happened, you've got some Sonic folk trying to upgrade MarioI probally the only who don't mind Mario being that weak
The cherry on the cake is that the most-used reason for Mario being rated low on here is because they claim the staff here are Sonic fans; despite like 80% of staff not even bothering to touch Sonic threads and being neutral towards the verse
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Hm...
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Sonic and the Secret Rings - Arabian Nights Upgrade
The World Rings control and rule the seven worlds of the Arabian Nights and is the key to control all of it, those being: SAND OASIS - JOY DINOSAUR JUNGLE - HATRED EVIL FOUNDRY - RAGE LEVITATED RUIN - PRAYERS PIRATE STORM - PLEASURE SKELETON DOME - WISHES NIGHT PALACE - SADNESS They are the...
TheStinkeer
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Ngl I'd like Mario to get upgraded back to 2-B that was just mean
Funnily enough the person who originally made the downgrade actually thinks Mario is in the tier 2 category, though they would need an extensive crt to do that with how Mario is currently treated on the wiki
Funnily enough the person who originally made the downgrade actually thinks Mario is in the tier 2 category, though they would need an extensive crt to do that with how Mario is currently treated on the wiki
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Question, what is the absolute minimum of Super forms? Like, no dimensional jumps, just the numbers.
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Even this question might get you a myriad of answers LOL
IMO the absolute minimum for a Super Form is Universe level+ (Low 2-C).
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I’d say Multi+, there’s infinite universes in Sonic’s multiverse and Solaris and Time Eater erased the lot, and Super Sonic even restored the verse after Time Eater wiped it. Anything lower to me is just downplay or agenda pushing.
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Planet to Star level is the minimum
One issue, space-time heals itself according to Gerald
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I guess I'd say the literal minimum is same AP as base with higher speed and a better jump, since that's what is is in the gameplay of Sonic 2.
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This also reminded me of when Super Sonic got knocked out in Super Form to the ancients lasers which aren't as strong as the eclipse canon
below planet and mountain level Super Forms and Titans ig!!! get to the downgrades /j
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