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The jarring gap between characters already shows they're intentionally selective on what they want a character's tier to be, despite evidence that would say otherwise.
The jarring gap is due to Codex being nothing like VSBW, CSAP or any other popular powerscaling site. If you actually read the standards you'd realize they're significantly more strict on a lot of the things that are more lax here. Not only are they strict but they also have different standards entirely in a lot of cases (see Faster than Light standards). Codex is not a powerscaling site, it's primarily focused on indexxing large amounts of information on characters throughout fiction, powerscaling is basically just part of that indexxing rather than the focus. They also have their own explanation pages for certain controversial tiers like Dragon Ball.
Oh and before anything asks, no I'm not a member of Codex. I have zero edits on the wiki and I'm really just a lurker. I don't use Codex to powerscale since I'm not as conservative as they are.
As a side note, the SM page itself is currently marked as outdated/due for revisions, not sure why you brought that up.
I think in some cases from what I've seen the Codex Wiki is either too strict or has less than favorable interpretations (not an insult ofc.) Tho that doesn't mean they don't have understandable points, cause yeah I can see where they're coming from at times
I actually do think some of their reasonings made in a blog against a higher tier Sonic least make some sense, but I have my issues. And obviously no hate to the person who wrote the reasonings, it's just dumb powerscaling at the end of the day.
No notes on Egg Salamander tbh.
Time Eater makes sense to an extent. But it def downplays the Time Eater's abilities of just "BFR'ing areas into White Space" especially when we see stars and planets in the areas with those being significantly affected due to Time Eater consuming and erasing them. Plus Eggman's intention WAS about erasing space and time to dominate and reshape it. The areas were still there after the Time Eater's defeat because, well, time can heal itself. Of course it's questionable if Time Eater should get it for AP considering it's consuming dimensional energy to erase things but yk, i'd like to hear other opinions on that
Solaris I don't entirely disagree with either. But the thing with the light shells is that they're revealed to not be anchoring Solaris at all, and they can take the meteors Solaris throws that deal the same damage and stun as his beams, albeit Silver throws them about 2x to 3x slower, but it's not an infinite amount of slower, not even counting how it should've withstood the destruction. It then uses the prima guide for the line of Achilles Heel, ignoring how the Prima Guide is unreliable and the game itself calls it a powerful consciousness, Solaris is stated to have the power to destroy time and space itself and the core can once again take the attacks. Now for it engulfing timelines, I have a somewhat similar viewpoint to Time Eater. What I think relies on the details of the space-time intersection and how it works, and if it was the main way Solaris ate stuff. I am leaning more towards Solaris being multi in AP, though
Egg Wizard I just don't agree with at all. Even saying that the Power of the Stars didn't create parallel dimensions and was just dimensional energy, the same energy physically empowered the Egg Wizard and Eggman said he couldn't imagine his mech would become this powerful despite creating the Final Egg Blaster and called the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds no match for it even knowing of the chain reaction that would lead to the universes destruction. If you have the energy that sustains a separation between universes that physically empowers you, the most likely explanation is that you are that strong
Alf Layla Wa Layla didn't destroy the Universe per say, and time was at least somewhat intact, but he did warp the reality of the entire Arabian Nights which is still at bare minimum with downplay a star level feat for his reality warping. A sun being in the background wouldn't contradict that. The only issue here is the Storybooks technically being, well, books. But honestly I lean more towards these feats being scalable.
I also don't mind them not counting dimensional tiering as it seems to not be a valid way to scale. Tho given how Maginaryworld presents the 4th dimension, it could mean that dimensions in Sonic could equal superiority, but eh I wouldn't count on it.
If the World Rings are the seven rings that control the worlds (i doubt the plural would mean Sonic's own), wouldn't that make each night of the Arabian Nights worlds themselves?
Perhaps it can be proven with more context? It's not the only one that insinuates the Arabian Nights being worlds. And stories creates worlds within the books but this is Black Knight, IDK if it could apply to other books.
Perhaps it can be proven with more context? It's not the only one that insinuates the Arabian Nights being worlds. And stories creates worlds within the books but this is Black Knight, IDK if it could apply to other books.
I do agree that we can compare the storybook worlds to each other as they are similar in nature, tho:
1. Sonic's line, according to windii's translation, just said "world of endless adventures," not worlds. Plus there's the issue of each "world" not being portrayed as a different universe especially since even normal people can travel. iirc this is the case for Shahra's line too
2. Merlina is referring to the overarching story that created the world. That being said, this could help to add more proof to storybooks being more than 11-A. Plus it might not be the case in JP, but I'll check it later when my PC isn't acting slow lol
The World Rings rule the seven worlds. The game has eight stages, Lost Prologue is the only stage which does not have any World Rings lying in it. That leads me to believe Sand Oasis, Dinosaur Jungle, Evil Foundry, Levitated Ruin, Pirate Storm, Skeleton Dome, Night Palace are different worlds from themselves but I'm not particularly knowledgeable on Secret Rings to say for certain.
Sonic-City.com presents the possibility of Gerald having somehow gotten inspiration for Shadow from Sonic having traveled back in time. Perhaps this relates to Sonic CD someway? He does have monuments dedicated to his image but those could've been built after Sonic was born.
Sonic-City.com presents the possibility of Gerald having somehow gotten inspiration for Shadow from Sonic having traveled back in time. Perhaps this relates to Sonic CD someway? He does have monuments dedicated to his image but those could've been built after Sonic was born.
Also reminds me that I dislike the Mural Theory for Shadow. Feels like too much headcanon, a leap in logic, and kind of cheapens Shadow as a character a little bit to just be "a copy of [insert character]" whilst making things feel a bit too Sonic-centric in a bad way, imo. Metal Sonic exists for a reason. We don't need Metal Sonic 2. I always preferred them being distinct characters who are still reflections conceptually, but no deeper than that lore-wise.
Yeah. I think the Mural Theory takes away from Shadow as a character and it's based off of very loose evidence. Shadow being his own character with no inherent ties to any other character (aside from the ones already in his bio) as a part of his backstory works best. Making Shadow just a "false copy of Sonic" completely betrays Shadow's identity in a way that's toxic, methinks. Identity is a big part of Shadow's being. Being his own person and being held down by nothing. The Mural Theory kind of spits in the face of all of that and is just a device to glaze Sonic and invalidate Shadow.
The mural actually sucks in general because Sonic should be a being who's disconnected from fate entirely due to being freedom /hj
(I actually don't mind the mural at all and me saying it sucks was just because it was funny, but Sonic being a being who's disconnected from fate is a fire idea but they ****** it up with ENG Frontiers and got it half right in Secret Rings)
The mural actually sucks in general because Sonic should be a being who's disconnected from fate entirely due to being freedom /hj
(I actually don't mind the mural at all and me saying it sucks was just because it was funny, but Sonic being a being who's disconnected from fate is a fire idea but they ****** it up with ENG Frontiers and got it half right in Secret Rings)
I just think the mural theory just devalues Shadow's identity. Something that is integral to his character. Making him just modeled after Sonic kind of sucks. They hardly even look alike, tbh. Only thing that looks similar is when they're Super, I guess., but that's really it. Having the verse just be "Sonic is the reason why x or y" sounds super lame. It's his franchise, but making absolutely everything about him is kind of boring.
I just think the mural theory just devalues Shadow's identity. Something that is integral to his character. Making him just modeled after Sonic kind of sucks. They hardly even look alike, tbh. Only thing that looks similar is when they're Super, I guess., but that's really it. Having the verse just be "Sonic is the reason why x or y" sounds super lame. It's his franchise, but making absolutely everything about him is kind of boring.
I just think the mural theory just devalues Shadow's identity. Something that is integral to his character. Making him just modeled after Sonic kind of sucks. They hardly even look alike, tbh. Only thing that looks similar is when they're Super, I guess., but that's really it. Having the verse just be "Sonic is the reason why x or y" sounds super lame. It's his franchise, but making absolutely everything about him is kind of boring.
Yeah, I get that. I do love me some "Sonic is literally that guy so this happened" but I agree that I wouldn't want everything in the franchise to happen because of him
Yeah, I get that. I do love me some "Sonic is literally that guy so this happened" but I agree that I wouldn't want everything in the franchise to happen because of him
It's funny how Shadow just scales evenly with him LMAO. I wish Silver got those same statements. Blaze too, but I kind of just assume she's equal cuz she's a counterpart to Sonic.
Imagine the meme of the person holding a gun at two people saying "which one's the real one?" and one guy is blue and the other guy is literally black with red stripes with, tan skin, and rocket shoes
Not just her, the general populace did.Don’t forget the entire story started because the world mistook Sonic for Shadow. In verse they are supposed to be doppelgängers.
It's funny how Shadow just scales evenly with him LMAO. I wish Silver got those same statements. Blaze too, but I kind of just assume she's equal cuz she's a counterpart to Sonic.
Not just her, the general populace did.Don’t forget the entire story started because the world mistook Sonic for Shadow. In verse they are supposed to be doppelgängers.
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