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Artoria Pendragon (Saber) Vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Honkai: Star Rail X Fate/Stay Night Vs Bleach)

Because if it is supernatural, then in nasuverse setting, it is equal to having mystery. Though i still have problem with the wiki accepted this as something can't be equalized crossverse, despite this mechanism can be easily equalized crossverse
Ngl I think it should be crossverse equally, but right now we have a lotta of major revisions for Nasuverse ongoing already so we'll hold on this one for now
 
Yeah ive seen Fate stay night and zero, even after getting done dirty my boy Diarmuid still upscaling saber skill feats smh.
Diarmuid is just that guy.
This just makes me understand why Nasuverse character rarely get used in vs battles. Too broken even in equal stats. Imagine an average servant simply existing and still being untouchable to other verses characters just cuz of their physiology
Yeah, it's honestly kind of annoying, but that's how they work.
 
If the nasuverse revisions affect this match then we can pause this for now (idk what the revision is other than making the servant physiology not look like dog shit)

(So the only nasuverse matchups possible right now are the in verse matchups against HSR 😭)
 
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Also gotta wait for Cour 4 Revisions for Ichigo. As well, let's just say stuff will be different by then... you'll see
 
Damn, so this is getting paused?
Also gotta wait for Cour 4 Revisions for Ichigo. As well, let's just say stuff will be different by then... you'll see
Does it make this match a lot fairer? Hopefully it doesn't make him to overpowered for the Cosmos rematch
 
Damn, so this is getting paused?

Does it make this match a lot fairer? Hopefully it doesn't make him to overpowered for the Cosmos rematch
I mean if all stats are drastically getting changed because hsr is getting their own crt as well with it affecting saber’s ap then might as well continue this match
 
Well there is a CRT goin on RN, for God Tiers. But as of now,
True Shikai: Upscaling from Sklaverai Blut-enhanced Volstandig Uryu
Base                    = >30.3 GigaFoe, possibly 50.64 ExaFoe​
HoS (Horn of Salvation) OR Blut        = >303 GigaFoe, possibly 506.4 ExaFoe​
Both HoS & Blut              = >3.03 TeraFoe, possibly 5.064 ZettaFoe​
Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho & Blut (AP only) = >30.3 TeraFoe, possibly 50.64 ZettaFoe​
If you want, I can send a link for my sandbox
 
Well there is a CRT goin on RN, for God Tiers. But as of now,
True Shikai: Upscaling from Sklaverai Blut-enhanced Volstandig Uryu
Base                    = >30.3 GigaFoe, possibly 50.64 ExaFoe​
HoS (Horn of Salvation) OR Blut        = >303 GigaFoe, possibly 506.4 ExaFoe​
Both HoS & Blut              = >3.03 TeraFoe, possibly 5.064 ZettaFoe​
Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho & Blut (AP only) = >30.3 TeraFoe, possibly 50.64 ZettaFoe​
If you want, I can send a link for my sandbox
Sandbox fr
 
Well there is a CRT goin on RN, for God Tiers. But as of now,
True Shikai: Upscaling from Sklaverai Blut-enhanced Volstandig Uryu
Base                    = >30.3 GigaFoe, possibly 50.64 ExaFoe​
HoS (Horn of Salvation) OR Blut        = >303 GigaFoe, possibly 506.4 ExaFoe​
Both HoS & Blut              = >3.03 TeraFoe, possibly 5.064 ZettaFoe​
Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho & Blut (AP only) = >30.3 TeraFoe, possibly 50.64 ZettaFoe​
If you want, I can send a link for my sandbox
Interesting...
That Universal LS is nasty
 
Does not seem like LS is gonna be accepted.

But anyway, before this goes out of hand. Guessing this VS Match should be put on Hiatus? DEF remember this though, cause its gonna be a WHILE
 
Well there is a CRT goin on RN, for God Tiers. But as of now,
True Shikai: Upscaling from Sklaverai Blut-enhanced Volstandig Uryu
Base                    = >30.3 GigaFoe, possibly 50.64 ExaFoe​
HoS (Horn of Salvation) OR Blut        = >303 GigaFoe, possibly 506.4 ExaFoe​
Both HoS & Blut              = >3.03 TeraFoe, possibly 5.064 ZettaFoe​
Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho & Blut (AP only) = >30.3 TeraFoe, possibly 50.64 ZettaFoe​
If you want, I can send a link for my sandbox
lemme see the sandbox if possible
 
If the nasuverse revisions affect this match then we can pause this for now (idk what the revision is other than making the servant physiology not look like dog shit)
It's both making the page better and upgrading it (it's not getting rid of invulnerability).
(So the only nasuverse matchups possible right now are the in verse matchups against HSR 😭)
RIP.
 
Does not seem like LS is gonna be accepted.

But anyway, before this goes out of hand. Guessing this VS Match should be put on Hiatus? DEF remember this though, cause its gonna be a WHILE
I mean we could continue this since theres going to be a 3 way crt between hsr nasu and bleach. Saber's ap is directly affected by the hsr crt
 
I don't think this match up can continue, I currently have a CRT AP upgrade that would get Ichigo and co to multi galaxy level if it gets accepted by two other staffs
 
I don't think this match up can continue, I currently have a CRT AP upgrade that would get Ichigo and co to multi galaxy level if it gets accepted by two other staffs
How much in joules value though? I have a CRT prepared for 3-B HSR that would scale Saber to 2.93626771e71 Joules, so there's that — I already have the calculation accepted, I just need to post the CRT but I can't given there's multiple CRTs already with HSR and they're not passing whether it be an upgrade or a downgrade
 
How much in joules value though? I have a CRT prepared for 3-B HSR that would scale Saber to 2.93626771e71 Joules, so there's that — I already have the calculation accepted, I just need to post the CRT but I can't given there's multiple CRTs already with HSR and they're not passing whether it be an upgrade or a downgrade
Mine is 3C tho but with amplifiers and multipliers Ichigo can become like 10,000 times that value so.
 
Well, only 1000 times, cus of the whole thing with the True Bankai scaling... But still fine
 
If or rather when that CRT gets accepted. True Shikai Ichigo would then be.

Base = 11.04 YottaFoe (Due to upscaling from Sklaverei Uryu which is 3x). Already 3-B
HoS or Blut = 110.4 YottaFoe
Both = 1.104 RonnaFoe
Cero Creciente [AP] = 11.04 RonnaFoe
 
If or rather when that CRT gets accepted. True Shikai Ichigo would then be.

Base = 11.04 YottaFoe (Due to upscaling from Sklaverei Uryu which is 3x). Already 3-B
HoS or Blut = 110.4 YottaFoe
Both = 1.104 RonnaFoe
Cero Creciente [AP] = 11.04 RonnaFoe
2.93626771e71 = 2.936 RonnaFoe
Emanators upscale 10x from this
2.93626771e72 = 29.36 RonnaFoe

CASTORICE CAN WE MAKE SABER SCALE TO EMANATOR OF PROPAGATION?!?!?!?!
 
I mean... that would make it a COMPLETE one shot for Emanators... even when Ichigo has both Horn of Salvation and Blut Vene active...
 
I really don't see how this match up needs waiting when from the looks of things it might still be a stomp regardless when said CRTs go through if they do
 
By the way there is an ongoing thread that will remove the 4D Hax/Invulnerability and instead replace it with range.
It won't remove Invulnerability. It's just that smurf hax are no longer a thing unless they're 1-A (barring exceptions).
I don't think this match up can continue, I currently have a CRT AP upgrade that would get Ichigo and co to multi galaxy level if it gets accepted by two other staffs
It honestly won't change much except maybe make the fight a stalemate since Ichigo still can't hurt Saber, but now Saber will be far weaker then him.
 
It won't remove Invulnerability. It's just that smurf hax a re no longer a thing unless they're 1-A (barring exceptions).
Really? Then why does it say this then?
"3. 4D Hax & Invulnerability Removal:
Servants had 4D Invulnerability because of this: "Magecraft's nature as magical energy from the soul given form, and the Soul's nature as a higher dimensional form, the resistances and effects listed thereof are at least 4 dimensional in nature. " With the recent update to the Hax & Resistance Page, Metaphysical Aspects like the soul cannot be dimensional. However, as shown in the sandbox, the Soul resides in a higher dimension, requiring sufficient range to affect it. Basically, you won't need 4D Hax to affect the Soul, but the range to do so. As for what that range will be, either Universal+ or Extradimensional. This will also replace Servant's 4D Hax with Range."
 
Really? Then why does it say this then?
"3. 4D Hax & Invulnerability Removal:
Servants had 4D Invulnerability because of this: "Magecraft's nature as magical energy from the soul given form, and the Soul's nature as a higher dimensional form, the resistances and effects listed thereof are at least 4 dimensional in nature. " With the recent update to the Hax & Resistance Page, Metaphysical Aspects like the soul cannot be dimensional. However, as shown in the sandbox, the Soul resides in a higher dimension, requiring sufficient range to affect it. Basically, you won't need 4D Hax to affect the Soul, but the range to do so. As for what that range will be, either Universal+ or Extradimensional. This will also replace Servant's 4D Hax with Range."
Still qualifying for Invulnerability by the new Invulnerability thread
 
Invulnerability is based on Mystery, not HDE Soul, it is just due to new standard, almost all abilities doesn't tied to dimensionality anymore, so so only Invulnerability, not 4D Invulnerability
Don't they still retain smurf range? I feel like if all abilities aren't tied to dimensionality anymore nowadays, that's only for smurf potency, no?
 
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