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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

Ghengiroo115 said:
What’s the plan when it comes to updating the stats with all the Chapter 3 and 4 feats? Are we just waiting for more of the calcs to be accepted first or is someone already planning a CRT?
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The CRT is in process
Although there are still a few calcs that need to be accepted
 
Edutyn said:
Accepted
Need Evaluation
AP:

Tenna GBE: 418.156885 Kilojoules (Wall Level)
Lanino heats things up: 0.00391 Tons of TNT per second (9-B+)
Shadowguys bullets KE: 0.00122144028017378095 Tons of TNT to 0.00400845029720960783 Tons of TNT (Wall Level)
Elnina cools things down: 0,005581767 Tons per/s (9-B+)
Golden Tenna KE: 0.03184029046940726 Tons (Small Building level)
Gerson throws is hammer: 0,012163351 Tons (Small Building Level)
1 Gerson Final Attack: From 0,590283618 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
The watercooler shows no mercy: 0,886674051 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Elnina creates ice crystals - 1.11 Tons of TNT (Building level)
HolywaterCooler showns no mercy: 2,614663133 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Wicabel's Bell: 2.82 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tenna weather report: 7,280557683 Tons (Large Building Level+)
Kris Protects Susie: 0.189110807 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) to 48.62431403 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Tenna faster than electricity: 48,927416587 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Titan PE: 139,127518881 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
The Justice is made of Sound: 21.19167596 Tons of TNT (City Block) to 5448.819777 Tons of TNT (Small Town)



Speed:
Tenna Speed: 66.7229132776 m/s
Susie Runs Fast: 102.012289855 m/s, or Subsonic
Gerson throws is hammer: 165.876543m/s Subsonic
Vs Bullets: 259.35m/s or Mach 0.75 (Subsonic)
"HERE I COME, PIZZARINA!!!": 329.511717792 m/s or Mach 0.96 (Transonic)
Gerson says no to items: Mach 0.98658055156 (Subsonic+/Transonic)
Kris shares their Chocolate Milk with the Player :): 548.546370967741935 m/s or Mach 1.6 (Supersonic)
Gerson Final Attack: Mach 3.36895023149 (Supersonic+)
Pippins Feat: 1813.63636m/s or Mach 5.28756956 (Hypersonic)
Wicabel's Bell: 3842m/s or Mach 11.2 (Hypersonic+)
Kris Protects Susie: Mach 2.0625 (Supersonic) to Mach 33.07215743 (High Hypersonic)
The Justice is made of Sound: Mach 34.82280924 (High Hypersonic) to Mach 558.3832385 (Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna faster than electricity: Mach 49.8010927 (High Hypersonic)
Vs Lightning 1: 537777.777778m/s or Mach 1567.86524133 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Tenna's Lightning Attack: Mach 2092.98757097 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 6954.11999386 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Jackenstein and Soul: 29% SoL (Relativistic)
Smash Cut: 111200m/s or Mach 324.198250729 (Massively Hypersonic) to 88000000m/s or 0.29353640377c (Relativistic)
Zapper laser dodge: 0.73c(Relativistic+)
Jackenstein and light: 2.47c(FTL)

LS:
Shadowguys bullets KE: 1.38419372003 Tons to 4.54256488714 Tons (Class 5)
Gerson throws is hammer: 695.227211 Tons (Class K)
Kris Protects Susie: 223.6917375Tons (Class K) to 3586.89375Tons (Class M)
Gerson Final Attack: 13208.6694 Tons (Class M)?
Wicabel's Bell: 484400 tons (Class M)
The Justice is made of Sound: 2262111 tons (Class G) to 581635602 tons(Class G)

Range:

Tenna TP Range: 770.857347593m (Hundreds of Meters)

Bonus:
Thrash Explosion: 0.30 Tons of TNT (Building level) -
Kris dodge missiles: 119.158690176m/s to 155.780856423 m/s (Subsonic)
Power Of Spamton: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level) | 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic)
Chaos, Bigger Chaos!: 1.00628884824 tons (Building level)
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Updated
 
OrangeFR said:
Holy **** the Shayy situation is just horrible
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I don't know if this is disrespectful of me to say but the second I saw this earlier today I just had a deadpan stare like "Yeah of course..." it's crazy how it feels like this kind of thing happens every week. I question just how common these scenarios are and how many never get exposed.

Lowkey I was never a Shayy fan, but yeah still sad, heart goes out to the victims.
 
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Another sad thing is a ton of people will also use this as an excuse to direct hate towards groups that Shayy was and/or is apart of, including the UT/DR community in general. I'm sure it's already happening on Twitter but...that's Twitter lol.
 
Let's not talk about Shayy, as that would only attract negativity and drama that is not welcome here.

Let's talk about this instread please :3

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The biggest Deltarune CRT in history: Chapters 3 & 4 Tiering, LS and Speed Upgrades

Hello. I am here to announce that finally the CRT regarding the new feats of the Chapters 3 and 4 of Deltarune are made (were supposed to be done after my ongoing Undertale revisions, but other talks made me change my mind on it). These chapters were released over 5 months ago, and we're on...
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StrymULTRA said:
Let's not talk about Shayy, as that would only attract negativity and drama that is not welcome here.

Let's talk about this instread please :3

vsbattles.com

The biggest Deltarune CRT in history: Chapters 3 & 4 Tiering, LS and Speed Upgrades

Hello. I am here to announce that finally the CRT regarding the new feats of the Chapters 3 and 4 of Deltarune are made (were supposed to be done after my ongoing Undertale revisions, but other talks made me change my mind on it). These chapters were released over 5 months ago, and we're on...
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Base Spamton taking at once Asgore and Undyne the Undying
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Anyone else think there's a good chance the fun gang gets fate manip in the endgame due to prophecy shenanigans? Like THE END endgame, chapter 7 stuff.
 
I have a question: considering the lower High 8-C value that most of the cast currently scales to, wouldn't it be possible to downscale to the baseline High 8-C+ (6.5 tons), given that Undyne is capable of taking down Asgore?
 
EnderLord8 said:
I have a question: considering the lower High 8-C value that most of the cast currently scales to, wouldn't it be possible to downscale to the baseline High 8-C+ (6.5 tons), given that Undyne is capable of taking down Asgore?
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Nothing says that Asgore was serious + Undyne actually fears him as shown by her dialogue in the neutral run + the gap between the calcs they both scale to allows Undyne to harm Asgore anyway + we don't arbitrairly give values for neither upscaling nor downscaling.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
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I think a lot of people severely misinterpret the end of the Genocide Route and Chara's feat.

Frisk probably wins that though if we're assuming equalization and taking some educated guesses about comparative scaling. Doing like, 10 trillion damage to a somewhat off-guard Asgore is pretty insane compared to what any of those characters can do. But again we have to be assuming a lot to even compare them accurately in the first place.

I don't personally agree with Frisk being able to replicate Chara's feat. It's kind of theoretical because we don't know the specific mechanisms by which Chara can do that in the first place. And there's also the fact that Chara is acting on their own will, Frisk isn't.

I generally just don't like Frisk match-ups because canonically speaking Frisk doesn't actually do anything until the end of the Pacifist Route, they're a vessel for us. Chara can be scaled separately because as long as they have access to our Determination at the end of a Genocide Route we know what they can accomplish on their own.
 
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RinneItachi said:
I don't personally agree with Frisk being able to replicate Chara's feat. It's kind of theoretical because we don't know the specific mechanisms by which Chara can do that in the first place. And there's also the fact that Chara is acting on their own will, Frisk isn't.
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Casually ignoring how they both use the Player's DT as fuel is crazy.

All of this has been adressed here anyway.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Casually ignoring how they both use the Player's DT as fuel is crazy.

All of this has been adressed here anyway.
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Except Frisk is just a vessel being controlled, Chara is forcefully using our DT to their own ends. That is not the same. Hell, we don't even know for a fact that Chara does it via Determination alone. It's not specified. I'm not ignoring anything. There is no reason to believe Frisk could output the same attack, it's theoretical and should be listed as a "possibly" at best. I just don't take part in CRT's on this website, but I can still disagree.
 
Btw I just remembered that when we interact with the heart pillows in the Holiday mansion, Noelle tells a story where she mentions that Kris would "pretend" to rip their heart out and chase her around or something, when they were kids I think. I can't remember the exact dialogue but I kinda forgot about that dialogue. Do people talk about that and I just don't know? Cause it implies that Kris had some other person's soul inside of them before we even came along.

Then again it could just be a red herring or a form of irony. Maybe I'm overthinking it. I know Kris wasn't ACTUALLY ripping a soul out, they were pretending to do it with the pillow. But it's still interesting to me that a younger Kris was insinuating such a thing to begin with. We can either interpret it as just some kinda reverse foreshadowing or Kris trying to imply something to Noelle, I don't really know. I kinda wonder how Kris literally reaches into their chest to pull us out.
 
RinneItachi said:
Btw I just remembered that when we interact with the heart pillows in the Holiday mansion, Noelle tells a story where she mentions that Kris would "pretend" to rip their heart out and chase her around or something, when they were kids I think. I can't remember the exact dialogue but I kinda forgot about that dialogue. Do people talk about that and I just don't know? Cause it implies that Kris had some other person's soul inside of them before we even came along.

Then again it could just be a red herring or a form of irony. Maybe I'm overthinking it. I know Kris wasn't ACTUALLY ripping a soul out, they were pretending to do it with the pillow. But it's still interesting to me that a younger Kris was insinuating such a thing to begin with. We can either interpret it as just some kinda reverse foreshadowing or Kris trying to imply something to Noelle, I don't really know. I kinda wonder how Kris literally reaches into their chest to pull us out.
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Kris could have ripped out their SOUL without it having to be because another person was inside of them
 
RinneItachi said:
Btw I just remembered that when we interact with the heart pillows in the Holiday mansion, Noelle tells a story where she mentions that Kris would "pretend" to rip their heart out and chase her around or something, when they were kids I think. I can't remember the exact dialogue but I kinda forgot about that dialogue. Do people talk about that and I just don't know? Cause it implies that Kris had some other person's soul inside of them before we even came along.

Then again it could just be a red herring or a form of irony. Maybe I'm overthinking it. I know Kris wasn't ACTUALLY ripping a soul out, they were pretending to do it with the pillow. But it's still interesting to me that a younger Kris was insinuating such a thing to begin with. We can either interpret it as just some kinda reverse foreshadowing or Kris trying to imply something to Noelle, I don't really know. I kinda wonder how Kris literally reaches into their chest to pull us out.
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I mean given how they act when without a SOUL, it's reasonable to assume they had another SOUL besides us at some point in their life. If that SOUL was their own or given to them is up to debate though.
 
RinneItachi said:
Btw I just remembered that when we interact with the heart pillows in the Holiday mansion, Noelle tells a story where she mentions that Kris would "pretend" to rip their heart out and chase her around or something, when they were kids I think.
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Small correction: words about Kris ripping their heart was likely a Noelle thoughts, so Susie and Kris only heard that Carol loves heart-shaped objects(Carol x Soul when).
I interpret this as follow:
1) It's possible for Lightners to take out their Souls.
2) Since Kris can't enter Dark Worlds without SOUL, but other Lightners can, Kris likely doesn't have any other Soul in them.
3) So either we control Kris original Soul, or it was lost some way or another
 
Qurbonboev said:
Small correction: words about Kris ripping their heart was likely a Noelle thoughts, so Susie and Kris only heard that Carol loves heart-shaped objects(Carol x Soul when).
I interpret this as follow:
1) It's possible for Lightners to take out their Souls.
2) Since Kris can't enter Dark Worlds without SOUL, but other Lightners can, Kris likely doesn't have any other Soul in them.
3) So either we control Kris original Soul, or it was lost some way or another
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I find it very unlikely that the red soul is actually Kris' soul and we just control it. So many things suggest otherwise imo. I think it's more likely that Kris lost their soul for some reason a while ago and they NEED our soul to survive, which is why they stumble around and seem to struggle without it, almost like our soul is a power source for them and they can only run without it for a limited time, before presumably "shutting off" (dying).
 
SnakesCity said:
I mean i guess if you're quite literally soulless it would be pretty hard to function unless you're a flower since it's the culmination of your being.
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You actually make an interesting connection to Flowey. Presume that Kris' lost their soul at some point, maybe in a deal, maybe in relation to Dess. But they haven't "died" entirely because they are running off of trace amounts of Determination. Flowey can live without a soul because Determination is THAT strong. So it's not impossible that Kris could too. When our soul is in their body though it fully strengthens Kris.

Just theoretical but I kinda refuse to believe that the soul isn't exclusively ours at this point out of all of the evidence we've gotten between both of these two games. The red soul appearing in Deltarune was described by Totally-Not-Gaster as the establishment of our connection to the world of Deltarune, we were creating a vessel for our soul to house, and we end up being "shunted" into Kris instead.

Maybe the ending of the Prophecy relates to our soul separating from Kris permanently and they die because of it.
 
On the topic of Flowey, i find it pretty funny that the character with the most similarities to him in Deltarune is Gerson. Both died and had their dust spread onto objects, both were revived thanks to their essence still living on in those objects and both were kind of brought back with determination. Flowey was injected with DT and Gerson was revived due to the power of the Dark Worlds (which is made with DT)
 
SnakesCity said:
On the topic of Flowey, i find it pretty funny that the character with the most similarities to him in Deltarune is Gerson. Both died and had their dust spread onto objects, both were revived thanks to their essence still living on in those objects and both were kind of brought back with determination. Flowey was injected with DT and Gerson was revived due to the power of the Dark Worlds (which is made with DT)
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I always questioned how casually Gerson fit into the Dark World and how he was such a beast even though Lightner Monster's in Deltarune can't use magic.
 
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