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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Hey everyone i just thought of something, tell me if its already discussed but we can prove theres 2 temporal or something, no?

First is when rimuru use the higher time (as i would like to call) in the end of space and time to go to subspace( it was subspace right?) where he got bumb to some "trash", then he use the time (second) of that space to go back to his world.

Thats a 2 temporal, no? Let me know what you guys think 🤔
 
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DrunkMan04 said:
Hey everyone i just thought of something, tell me if its already discussed but we can prove theres 2 temporal or something, no?

First is when rimuru use the higher time (as i would like to call) in the end of space and time to go to subspace( it was subspace right?) where he got bumb to some "trash", then he use the time (second) of that space to go back to his world.

Thats a 2 temporal, no? Let me know what you guys think 🤔
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A single world alone has two temporal dimensions. One for the Universe and one overarching all the different timelines (regardless of Hinata's MWI stuff, timelines do exist).

You go to beyond Time where the timeline has ended, then a higher time flows infinitely until you reach the end of time where Time becomes zero. Same in both LN and WN
 
I swear, Fuse's pen was in fire when he was writing this part:

“I lived as a human in the same world that the so-called otherworlders come from. I died over there, and then I was reborn here as a slime. It was pretty lonely at first and desolate, but even someone like me managed to make friends here. By ‘friends,’ I mean you. It’s possible that all of you became closer to human with your evolutions because of my own hopes, for all I know.”

I paused to gauge the response. Everyone was intently listening to me, nobody expressing any doubts. I kept going.

“I created that rule not to attack humans for that reason. I said I liked humans because I used to be one. And let me assure you, it was not my hope that my rule would cause any of you injury. I’m a monster, but I thought that my heart was still human. I wanted to interact with them, and I wound up spending a really long time in human towns and settlements. If only I could have saved those children and come back here sooner…”

I wanted to cry, but I couldn’t. My heart felt like it was going to burst, but this body didn’t feel any need to shed tears.

Yeah, I thought. I guess I really am a monster. Somehow, it seemed so incredibly convincing now.
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Astral_Trinity439 said:
By the time Fuse said that he was already writing the LN. I think he was on Volume 2 and had already introduced spatial motion then.

Plus what Alex said, according to Fuse the first few volumes have the same narrative as WN.

Actually, maybe we could make a CRT to make the first few volumes canon to each other up until the split happens in Volume 11 (which per Fuse was where the narrative changed). That'll be around until chapter 120 of the web novel I suppose.
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No man even the beginning was different what you on about
 
If Diablo without imaginary collapse is really as strong as Guy now, then what's even point, of pretending that there's narrative consistency or even a need for Rimuru to get involved at all in the last volume?
 
Ultimuru said:
I swear, Fuse's pen was in fire when he was writing this part:
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Agreed, that's his best writing in the series. If only he kept that same energy when writing Rimuru. Or if more properly conveyed, his internal struggle or being a monster and what that means to him, THEN Rimuru's future actions or lack thereof become more compelling and nuanced.
 
Loetkolben16 said:
If Diablo without imaginary collapse is really as strong as Guy now, then what's even point, of pretending that there's narrative consistency or even a need for Rimuru to get involved at all in the last volume?
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Huh? As someone who is not in favor or the massive power creep encompassing Rimuru's side.....even I can recognize that Ivarage and Veldanava still body like everyone that isn't named Rimuru or Stampede Milim. Diablo being as strong as Guy doesn't mean they can win against 2 halves of GOD. If Diablo is the only one in Tempest aside from Rimuru and maybe Veldora on that level they are still cooked.
 
Community_Gamer said:
Huh? As someone who is not in favor or the massive power creep encompassing Rimuru's side.....even I can recognize that Ivarage and Veldanava still body like everyone that isn't named Rimuru or Stampede Milim. Diablo being as strong as Guy doesn't mean they can win against 2 halves of GOD. If Diablo is the only one in Tempest aside from Rimuru and maybe Veldora on that level they are still cooked.
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This will probably change due to once again massive power creep, but Veldanava and Ivarage are not as far beyond everyone as people claim.

Zalario directly compared Feldway's presence to that of Veldanava and Milim was multiple times stated to have inherited most of Veldanava's power.

The top of the genesis class, that being Stampede Milim, Guy and Feldway are all comparable to each other. All on the level were they at most low diff true dragons.

If Diablo is now on that level without imaginary collapse, then he's far beyond that, when he uses imaginary supply. So as things stand right now Diablo should high diff the likes of Ivarage or post creation Veldanava. It's completely stupid.

I know the power creep probably won't make this happen, Ivarage already got two to three upgrades these last two volumes and will probably get even more. But as things stand right now it's very much in the realm of possibility.

And one thing that is certain, is that Diablo with imaginary collapse, now low diffs Guy, which completely goes against any prior established narrative, which Fuse doesn't seem to give a flying F about anymore anyways.

Your also completely left out Zegion who without imaginary collapse, should also already be at the genesis class level, in which case imaginary collapse also boosts him further.

The way things are right now, Zegion is at least on par with Veldora and that's without imaginary collapse. And Diablo is straight up low diffing Veldora, also without imaginary collapse.
 
Loetkolben16 said:
Zalario directly compared Feldway's presence to that of Veldanava and Milim was multiple times stated to have inherited most of Veldanava's power.
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Just presence.
Loetkolben16 said:
The top of the genesis class, that being Stampede Milim, Guy and Feldway are all comparable to each other. All on the level were they at most low diff true dragons.
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They are ? Guy is due to the weapon and knowledge, millim with power and Feldway is unknown tho
Loetkolben16 said:
If Diablo is now on that level without imaginary collapse, then he's far beyond that, when he uses imaginary supply. So as things stand right now Diablo should high diff the likes of Ivarage or post creation Veldanava. It's completely stupid.
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Tbh Even with Imaginary Collapse, the highest I can place Diablo is around Feldway’s level or possibly lower because Feldway wasn’t using his full power or his skill. And in Volume 23, he was confident he could defeat Diablo despite having already seen Diablo’s strength in the previous volume.
Loetkolben16 said:
And one thing that is certain, is that Diablo with imaginary collapse, now low diffs Guy, which completely goes against any prior established narrative, which Fuse doesn't seem to give a flying F about anymore anyways.
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Very unlikely, because Velzard was several times stronger than Guy,so much so that even a single hit from her would be lethal for him, yet he still managed to fight her for hours, or even days on equal term.
Loetkolben16 said:
The way things are right now, Zegion is at least on par with Veldora and that's without imaginary collapse. And Diablo is straight up low diffing Veldora, also without imaginary collapse.
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I don’t think Zegion is tbh, whether in EP or overall ability. And honestly, I don’t see Zegion beating Asura or Degrul. As for Diablo, that’s more debatable but it's not low diff.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Just presence.
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Just presence, weapon, 'body' and most of the ultimate skills Veldanava put his authority in + some others that came together 'naturally'.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
They are ? Guy is due to the weapon and knowledge, millim with power and Feldway is unknown tho
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Yeah they are. Guy has held back stampede Milim for a week straight, back in the day. Feldway had enough power to control stampede Milim and was also confident in handling her as long as her growth doesn't completely balloon out of control. And Guy is confident in beating Feldway.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Tbh Even with Imaginary Collapse, the highest I can place Diablo is around Feldway’s level or possibly lower because Feldway wasn’t using his full power or his skill.
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Feldway was using his full power though? He went all in, when he relinquished his control over Milim at the start of the second round of Feldway and Diablo fighting and still got washed. And Feldway couldn't use his skills because Diablo sealed them, so he got washed in that category too.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
And in Volume 23, he was confident he could defeat Diablo despite having already seen Diablo’s strength in the previous volume.
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That's because he's massively delusional. Just look at the past volumes. Feldway always said that and it never worked out. And Diablo will now be stronger than he was when he fought Feldway too anyway.

And Guy says Diablo without imaginary collapse is now his equal. The same Guy is confident enough in beating Feldway.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Very unlikely, because Velzard was several times stronger than Guy,so much so that even a single hit from her would be lethal for him, yet he still managed to fight her for hours, or even days on equal term.
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That's because Guy was always a massively better fighter than anyone he went up against. So he could make up for the raw power difference. But Guy himself admits that Diablo rivals him combat wise, so with much, much higher raw power, Diablo low diffs him.

If the power difference is big enough a present skill gap can be discarded, just like Feldway almost casually one shot Diablo with his first attack, even though Diablo is a much better fighter.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
I don’t think Zegion is tbh, whether in EP or overall ability. And honestly, I don’t see Zegion beating Asura or Degrul. As for Diablo, that’s more debatable but it's not low diff.
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Zegion beat Zelanus, who was described as the ultimate form of life capable of both offense and defense and of whom Milim was wary of. All before he evolved into genesis class. Zegion beat that with imaginary supply, but then got massively upgraded. He almost has as much EP as Velgrynd and is a fighter on the highest skill tier. So Zegion can most definitely keep up with Veldora, completely without imaginary supply.

And Diablo low diffs Veldora, since Guy would low diff Veldora.


So yes at this point it's nothing but stupid.
 
Violatas said:
Not sure I expect us to ever see an EP of infinity. For god I guess that's possible but I don't expect god's EP to be mentioned either. Guess I'd go with what Astraph said.

On that note, pretty soon I'll go ahead and try to get some opinions from y'all to wrap up this project. I expect to have it finished early next year
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Maybe we might get to see Ivarage's EP as a number, like 9999999999999999999 or something. Even though it looks ridiculously huge, for Veldanava, the creator, it might be just a tiny little amount, haha.
 
Humanitus_Primevilus888 said:
Heard from the source that ivarage’s EP is 500M+ while her weapon is 80M+
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That’s an insanely huge number. I have no idea how he even uses power on that level. I think he probably doesn’t know how to use it properly, just like Veldora.
But if Veldanava is around, maybe Veldanava could teach him how to use it.
 
I feel like ivarage is gonna be a reference from the Bible as Babylon hoe mother of adultery can't seem to remember the verse from the Bible where it mentioned her NGL NGL
 
Napoleonic01 said:
How long until volume 23???
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3 days 🥹
Napoleonic01 said:
I feel like ivarage is gonna be a reference from the Bible as Babylon hoe mother of adultery can't seem to remember the verse from the Bible where it mentioned her NGL NGL
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We literally have a chapter named "Second Coming" so...
Plus the Holy Trinity (Ivarage, Veldanava, and Ramiris)
 
Does volume digitally releases right after midnight at 29th? If yes, then we are 2 days and 6 hours away from the volume.
 
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