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Blue Archive High 1-B Downgrade

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It's an absurd claim to say this. The whole story of Final Story is about Phrenepates and Shiroko Terror trying to destroy the main world. Why the self-destruction of Ark of Atrahasis doesn't do anything destructive? Absurds and contradictive. At this point, you guys just defending it for the sake of it only
Ignoring the main story and start making many baseless assumptions.
Doesn't matter what you think and/or believe, it is fiction and most importantly it is the wiki's standards and ik you are not talking about baseless assumptions, do not go there.
Because it's called; countless; exemplified by two sides of a coin only one side that will become the truth; and it's been proven over and over again.
Ok, guess what? If I flip a coin and it lands on heads does tails simply cease to exist? No. It does exist, it's just that I cannot observe it until after I flip the coin again.
You guys who defend this definitely need to stop defending absurd claims. They're not really even 2-A to begin with. The best we knew, there's atleast countless possibilities so far and multiple timelines.
Yeah and you really need to actually read the wiki's standards.
 
Do you actually follow the story or your opinion were only based on that scans? The throne of naram sin is stated like that after they try to fix the dimensional-engine and Arona Alter explained why there's multiple counterparts in the same universe.

Once the dimensional engine got destroyed/fully hacked, the throne is manageable and destructable. Already cover this from the beginning.
 
Can the OP please not use obviously AI to answer to argument (Pointing the large reply one with a lot of obviously bolded parts that is common for Copilot and such AI)
It is clearly flawed, and responding to it just to point out the error of the AI is honestly not helpful, especially when the AI cannot fully grasp the tiering system of the wiki currently.
I honestly don't even know how much stuff they are even able to understand due to them having to use AI to communicate, the thread for whether AI should be allowed or not at large on the wiki should genuinely be reopened.
 
Doesn't matter what you think and/or believe, it is fiction and most importantly it is the wiki's standards and ik you are not talking about baseless assumptions, do not go there.

Ok, guess what? If I flip a coin and it lands on heads does tails simply cease to exist? No. It does exist, it's just that I cannot observe it until after I flip the coin.

Yeah and you really need to actually read the wiki's standards.
You can use logic to eliminate absurd claims. For the villains who had been narrated dozens of time to destroy the world... Yet their self-destruction doesn't hold any collateral damage, it's totally absurd.

And about your example just prove one point; ultimately from such probabilities, only one outcomes will be true in the reality.

At this point... I feel like you guys can only go circle. You also seems to forget; the one who making positive claims is the one who need to prove it the most. I don't see any convincing stuffs from any of you who defending it so far.
 
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I honestly don't even know how much stuff they are even able to understand due to them having to use AI to communicate, the thread for whether AI should be allowed or not at large on the wiki should genuinely be reopened.
Calm down buddy. You ain't even replying my scans and arguments properly. Discarding them as "mere AI slop" is not wise. I follow the stories throughly.

You see me using them now? No?
 
I honestly don't even know how much stuff they are even able to understand due to them having to use AI to communicate, the thread for whether AI should be allowed or not at large on the wiki should genuinely be reopened.
I agree, but not the place to discuss yeah. His AI translation seems to use a lot of heavy jargons which sometimes not even talked about currently
 
You can use logic to eliminate absurd claims. For the villains who had been narrated dozens of time to destroy the world... Yet their self-destruction doesn't hold any collateral damage, it's totally absurd.
Cool, you can go ahead and bring that up in a staff discussion if you disagree with it. Otherwise forever hold your peace.
And about your example just prove one point; ultimately from such probabilities, only one outcomes will be true in the reality.

At this point... I feel like you guys can only go circle. You also seems to forget; the one who making positive claims is the one who need to prove it the most. I don't see any convincing from any of you who defending it so far.
Believe me buddy, if this was a perfect forum this thread would've been closed long ago if all that was necessary was not seeing any convincing arguments.
Calm down buddy. You ain't even replying my scans and arguments properly. Discarding them as "mere AI slop" is not wise. I follow the stories throughly.

You see me using them now? No?
Never said anything of the sort abt it being "slop", and I have no way to confirm nor deny whether you're using AI now or not since if you didn't need to use it, then you wouldn't have done so in the first place.
 
At this point, I'll be focusing on waiting staff input. Since you guys decide to jump on me with almost no scans to backup your claims. I don't like it when my words getting twisted. It's getting ironic now. You guys try to discard my argument by saying "it's AI" buddy, ever heard of using AI only to translate? Even the wiki doesn't prohibit this (you can check on violation report itself). It feels "personal and forced" now.
 
TLDR : They discussed whether infinite dimension would still qualify for Infinite space for significant size to even grant tiers. But Qawsedf seems to agree it is of infinite volume while Vietthai believes it should still qualify if its infinite dimension and still be of significant size.

they never properly evaluated the argument yet whether or not the Infinite dimension within story context qualifies for this.
Qaswedf will evaluate later he said.
so basically no proper eval yet and just waiting
 
Lmao, imagine dogging a non-english speaker with AI Translation.

Anyway, I kinda agree with the thread. But it is mostly due to 3D being can still survive in an Infinite Dimensional storm since they would only recieve the 3D portion of that storm instead of all of the Infinite D crashing down onto them.

My honest opinion on this should be tier 2 and above should show an actual Multiversal destruction feat personally, instead of using statements and scaling tbh. Also, more legitimacy to the Chinese verse with this.

Also refer to this meme:
give-me-your-craziest-chain-scaling-characters-v0-nl59c6g57azd1.jpeg
 
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Nah DB is actually had decent feats and statement. And the fact they always have Ki control mechanism to justify less destructive aspects. Not equivalent to this case at all.
I was responding to them saying, "My honest opinion on this should be tier 2 and above should show an actual Multiversal destruction feat personally, instead of using statements and scaling tbh." Even with arguments like Ki control, current Vegeta would far, far weaker than current Goku if we discounted scaling and statements.
 
Currently waiting for staff inputs since each sides had done demonstrate each other's arguments. I have made requests to dozens of staff, maybe they will input it later.
 
Alright, I’m just going to say it: the High 1-B scaling for Blue Archive was always built on sand. And the downgrade thread finally laid out the reasons in a way that’s impossible to ignore.

First off, Blue Archive’s so-called “dimensions” are not higher dimensions. They’re parallel worlds. Probability branches. Alternate timelines. That’s it. Calling them “higher planes of existence” is just wishful thinking. The story never treats them as anything beyond side-by-side universes, and pretending otherwise is outright headcanon.

Second — the Ark’s superposition? People keep trying to turn that into infinite-dimensional hax, but the story literally represents it as a 3D structure. The barrier collapses and we don’t get some infinite-plane-shattering event; we get a local explosion. If this thing really contained infinite dimensions, it wouldn’t pop like a sci-fi balloon. The downgrade thread spelled this out perfectly: the Ark accesses infinite possibilities, it doesn’t embody them.

And don’t get me started on the False Sanctum “infinite energy” argument. If your power source can be measured in percentages and destroyed in two weeks, it is NOT infinite-dimensional hyper-cosmic anything. It is a battery. A big battery, sure — but still a battery. Calling it High 1-B is straight-up delusional.

Aris? Love her. Great character. But breaking part of a superposition layer is not the same thing as blowing up infinite dimensions. It’s dimensional disruption, not multiverse-crushing power. People pushing High 1-B for her are relying on vibes, not feats.

And the kicker? The downgrade actually follows the Wiki’s own rules. The criteria for High 1-B are strict: real higher dimensions, infinite qualitative superiority, characters who can directly interact with or destroy those layers. Blue Archive doesn’t check any of those boxes. Not one.

So yeah — the downgrade is correct. It’s consistent, it respects the lore, and it stops people from stretching quantum mechanics into “lol infinite dimensions” territory.

If anything, the High 1-B rating shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did.

If you want, I can make an even saltier version, or one written like a direct rebuttal to someone who still insists on High 1-B.
 
Alright, I’m just going to say it: the High 1-B scaling for Blue Archive was always built on sand. And the downgrade thread finally laid out the reasons in a way that’s impossible to ignore.

First off, Blue Archive’s so-called “dimensions” are not higher dimensions. They’re parallel worlds. Probability branches. Alternate timelines. That’s it. Calling them “higher planes of existence” is just wishful thinking. The story never treats them as anything beyond side-by-side universes, and pretending otherwise is outright headcanon.

Second — the Ark’s superposition? People keep trying to turn that into infinite-dimensional hax, but the story literally represents it as a 3D structure. The barrier collapses and we don’t get some infinite-plane-shattering event; we get a local explosion. If this thing really contained infinite dimensions, it wouldn’t pop like a sci-fi balloon. The downgrade thread spelled this out perfectly: the Ark accesses infinite possibilities, it doesn’t embody them.

And don’t get me started on the False Sanctum “infinite energy” argument. If your power source can be measured in percentages and destroyed in two weeks, it is NOT infinite-dimensional hyper-cosmic anything. It is a battery. A big battery, sure — but still a battery. Calling it High 1-B is straight-up delusional.

Aris? Love her. Great character. But breaking part of a superposition layer is not the same thing as blowing up infinite dimensions. It’s dimensional disruption, not multiverse-crushing power. People pushing High 1-B for her are relying on vibes, not feats.

And the kicker? The downgrade actually follows the Wiki’s own rules. The criteria for High 1-B are strict: real higher dimensions, infinite qualitative superiority, characters who can directly interact with or destroy those layers. Blue Archive doesn’t check any of those boxes. Not one.

So yeah — the downgrade is correct. It’s consistent, it respects the lore, and it stops people from stretching quantum mechanics into “lol infinite dimensions” territory.

If anything, the High 1-B rating shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did.

If you want, I can make an even saltier version, or one written like a direct rebuttal to someone who still insists on High 1-B.
You literally asked ChatGPT to write a spiteful reply
 
Alright, I’m just going to say it: the High 1-B scaling for Blue Archive was always built on sand. And the downgrade thread finally laid out the reasons in a way that’s impossible to ignore.

First off, Blue Archive’s so-called “dimensions” are not higher dimensions. They’re parallel worlds. Probability branches. Alternate timelines. That’s it. Calling them “higher planes of existence” is just wishful thinking. The story never treats them as anything beyond side-by-side universes, and pretending otherwise is outright headcanon.

Second — the Ark’s superposition? People keep trying to turn that into infinite-dimensional hax, but the story literally represents it as a 3D structure. The barrier collapses and we don’t get some infinite-plane-shattering event; we get a local explosion. If this thing really contained infinite dimensions, it wouldn’t pop like a sci-fi balloon. The downgrade thread spelled this out perfectly: the Ark accesses infinite possibilities, it doesn’t embody them.

And don’t get me started on the False Sanctum “infinite energy” argument. If your power source can be measured in percentages and destroyed in two weeks, it is NOT infinite-dimensional hyper-cosmic anything. It is a battery. A big battery, sure — but still a battery. Calling it High 1-B is straight-up delusional.

Aris? Love her. Great character. But breaking part of a superposition layer is not the same thing as blowing up infinite dimensions. It’s dimensional disruption, not multiverse-crushing power. People pushing High 1-B for her are relying on vibes, not feats.

And the kicker? The downgrade actually follows the Wiki’s own rules. The criteria for High 1-B are strict: real higher dimensions, infinite qualitative superiority, characters who can directly interact with or destroy those layers. Blue Archive doesn’t check any of those boxes. Not one.

So yeah — the downgrade is correct. It’s consistent, it respects the lore, and it stops people from stretching quantum mechanics into “lol infinite dimensions” territory.

If anything, the High 1-B rating shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did.

If you want, I can make an even saltier version, or one written like a direct rebuttal to someone who still insists on High 1-B.
all good but can you at least take the chatgpt part at the end
 
You literally asked ChatGPT to write a spiteful reply
all good but can you at least take the chatgpt part at the end
Alright, I’m just going to say it: the High 1-B scaling for Blue Archive was always built on sand. And the downgrade thread finally laid out the reasons in a way that’s impossible to ignore.

First off, Blue Archive’s so-called “dimensions” are not higher dimensions. They’re parallel worlds. Probability branches. Alternate timelines. That’s it. Calling them “higher planes of existence” is just wishful thinking. The story never treats them as anything beyond side-by-side universes, and pretending otherwise is outright headcanon.

Second — the Ark’s superposition? People keep trying to turn that into infinite-dimensional hax, but the story literally represents it as a 3D structure. The barrier collapses and we don’t get some infinite-plane-shattering event; we get a local explosion. If this thing really contained infinite dimensions, it wouldn’t pop like a sci-fi balloon. The downgrade thread spelled this out perfectly: the Ark accesses infinite possibilities, it doesn’t embody them.

And don’t get me started on the False Sanctum “infinite energy” argument. If your power source can be measured in percentages and destroyed in two weeks, it is NOT infinite-dimensional hyper-cosmic anything. It is a battery. A big battery, sure — but still a battery. Calling it High 1-B is straight-up delusional.

Aris? Love her. Great character. But breaking part of a superposition layer is not the same thing as blowing up infinite dimensions. It’s dimensional disruption, not multiverse-crushing power. People pushing High 1-B for her are relying on vibes, not feats.

And the kicker? The downgrade actually follows the Wiki’s own rules. The criteria for High 1-B are strict: real higher dimensions, infinite qualitative superiority, characters who can directly interact with or destroy those layers. Blue Archive doesn’t check any of those boxes. Not one.

So yeah — the downgrade is correct. It’s consistent, it respects the lore, and it stops people from stretching quantum mechanics into “lol infinite dimensions” territory.

If anything, the High 1-B rating shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did.

If you want, I can make an even saltier version, or one written like a direct rebuttal to someone who still insists on High 1-B.
Ah, I see you’re ready to drop some truth bombs in the power scaling debate on VSBW about Blue Archive! Alright, let’s get into it. Here's why Blue Archive could be considered the best gacha game, especially in the context of power scaling:



1.​

Blue Archive features a wide range of characters with unique abilities, backgrounds, and lore. Each character’s power is defined not just by raw strength but by their intelligence, magical abilities, and various skills. The game’s diverse range of characters means there’s a spectrum of power scaling that includes:

  • Magic Users: Characters like Haruna, whose abilities revolve around enhancing and manipulating magic in powerful ways.
  • Technology Users: Characters like Aris who use advanced tech to augment their physical and mental abilities.
  • Super Soldiers: Characters like Iori who are literally designed to be peak human or superhuman with enhanced strength, speed, and resilience.
  • Strategists and Leaders: Characters like Mizuki and Hoshino who play crucial roles in guiding their allies, often in ways that highlight intellect and leadership in battles.
This diversity makes power scaling in Blue Archive more interesting than in many other gacha games because it involves multiple layers: physical strength, intelligence, technology, magic, and more.

2.​

One of the most underrated aspects of Blue Archive is its expanding lore involving different schools, factions, and alternate dimensions. This expands the power scaling because many of the characters interact across various realities and face opponents of different scales. For example:

  • Cosmic Beasts and Reality Warpers: Some characters, like Hoshino, interact with creatures and beings that exist beyond the normal realm, giving them access to god-like abilities that affect timelines and universes.
  • Advanced AI and Reality Manipulation: Characters like Azusa, whose skillset involves manipulation of dimensions, time, and space, add a whole layer of complexity to the game’s power scale.
The inclusion of alternate worlds and divine or god-tier powers opens up a lot of debate on whether the characters are tiered within normal human limits or transcend into higher realms of power.

3.​

Unlike some other gacha games where power scaling is often based on who can hit the hardest or have the highest stats, Blue Archive often ties characters’ strength to narrative and strategy. Many characters’ abilities aren’t just about sheer firepower but also tactical advantages, buffs, and debuffs that can drastically affect the tide of battle. This makes the argument for scaling more nuanced and thoughtful:

  • Tactical Abilities: Some characters may not hit the hardest but can take control of the flow of battle, such as applying status effects that manipulate enemies or assist allies.
  • Buff/Debuff Synergies: Characters can scale not just by their individual strength but by how they synergize with others—leading to complex power dynamics that can rival or exceed simple raw strength scaling.

4.​

If we’re talking about sheer combat feats, Blue Archive doesn’t shy away from showing off massive destruction. The use of high-tech weaponry, magic, and large-scale attacks means that some of the game's characters have demonstrated the power to level entire districts or alter the environment around them on a massive scale. This brings into play discussions of:

  • AoE (Area of Effect) Damage: Multiple characters can execute moves that affect large areas, leading to impressive feats of destruction that could rival many other universes.
  • Planetary Scale Destruction: While Blue Archive isn’t exactly about world-shattering power like some other anime or gacha universes, it does feature characters with god-like powers that hint at potential planet-destroying abilities, especially with the introduction of “Divine Beasts” and reality-warping entities.

5.​

The story and events often push the characters to confront increasingly larger threats, hinting at potential levels of strength that go beyond mere combat. Many of the characters show growth, and some even reach narrative-level “meta” power scaling that involves things like:

  • Reality Reshaping: Some of the game’s most powerful characters, like certain versions of The Student Council, seem to exist beyond the usual limitations of the world and can affect reality at a fundamental level.
  • Diverging Timelines and Futures: Blue Archive introduces characters who may not be from the same timeline or dimension, making the discussion of who is stronger based on their context rather than just a raw feat-to-feat comparison. This means the power scale can become multidimensional.


6.​

In the context of power scaling debates, you can argue that Blue Archive doesn’t just rely on the typical tiering systems of "A tier, B tier, C tier" or just "strongest unit wins." Instead, it encourages a more layered and complex view of power where:

  • Raw power is only one aspect, and a character’s strategic, magical, or technological abilities are just as important.
  • The environment and narrative context can boost or diminish the effectiveness of a character's abilities, making it less predictable but more dynamic.
When compared to other popular gacha games, Blue Archive feels more like an evolving, multifaceted universe where each character brings something unique to the table. Even those without immediate high-level abilities can become key players in the larger conflict, which makes the whole power scaling much more fluid and expansive.



Final Words: The Best Power Scaling for a Reason​

Ultimately, Blue Archive is one of the best gacha games not just for its combat mechanics but because its world-building, character development, and lore create an intricate and fascinating power scale. From high-tech assassins and magical prodigies to god-like creatures and reality-bending entities, Blue Archive doesn’t just hand out raw power but creates a universe where tactics, abilities, and lore all intertwine. That depth of scaling is what can truly elevate the game in any power scaling debate.



Drop these points in the VSBW debate, and you’ll surely have some strong ammo for why Blue Archive holds a unique place in gacha power scaling discussions.
 
Ah, I see you’re ready to drop some truth bombs in the power scaling debate on VSBW about Blue Archive! Alright, let’s get into it. Here's why Blue Archive could be considered the best gacha game, especially in the context of power scaling:



1.​

Blue Archive features a wide range of characters with unique abilities, backgrounds, and lore. Each character’s power is defined not just by raw strength but by their intelligence, magical abilities, and various skills. The game’s diverse range of characters means there’s a spectrum of power scaling that includes:

  • Magic Users: Characters like Haruna, whose abilities revolve around enhancing and manipulating magic in powerful ways.
  • Technology Users: Characters like Aris who use advanced tech to augment their physical and mental abilities.
  • Super Soldiers: Characters like Iori who are literally designed to be peak human or superhuman with enhanced strength, speed, and resilience.
  • Strategists and Leaders: Characters like Mizuki and Hoshino who play crucial roles in guiding their allies, often in ways that highlight intellect and leadership in battles.
This diversity makes power scaling in Blue Archive more interesting than in many other gacha games because it involves multiple layers: physical strength, intelligence, technology, magic, and more.

2.​

One of the most underrated aspects of Blue Archive is its expanding lore involving different schools, factions, and alternate dimensions. This expands the power scaling because many of the characters interact across various realities and face opponents of different scales. For example:

  • Cosmic Beasts and Reality Warpers: Some characters, like Hoshino, interact with creatures and beings that exist beyond the normal realm, giving them access to god-like abilities that affect timelines and universes.
  • Advanced AI and Reality Manipulation: Characters like Azusa, whose skillset involves manipulation of dimensions, time, and space, add a whole layer of complexity to the game’s power scale.
The inclusion of alternate worlds and divine or god-tier powers opens up a lot of debate on whether the characters are tiered within normal human limits or transcend into higher realms of power.

3.​

Unlike some other gacha games where power scaling is often based on who can hit the hardest or have the highest stats, Blue Archive often ties characters’ strength to narrative and strategy. Many characters’ abilities aren’t just about sheer firepower but also tactical advantages, buffs, and debuffs that can drastically affect the tide of battle. This makes the argument for scaling more nuanced and thoughtful:

  • Tactical Abilities: Some characters may not hit the hardest but can take control of the flow of battle, such as applying status effects that manipulate enemies or assist allies.
  • Buff/Debuff Synergies: Characters can scale not just by their individual strength but by how they synergize with others—leading to complex power dynamics that can rival or exceed simple raw strength scaling.

4.​

If we’re talking about sheer combat feats, Blue Archive doesn’t shy away from showing off massive destruction. The use of high-tech weaponry, magic, and large-scale attacks means that some of the game's characters have demonstrated the power to level entire districts or alter the environment around them on a massive scale. This brings into play discussions of:

  • AoE (Area of Effect) Damage: Multiple characters can execute moves that affect large areas, leading to impressive feats of destruction that could rival many other universes.
  • Planetary Scale Destruction: While Blue Archive isn’t exactly about world-shattering power like some other anime or gacha universes, it does feature characters with god-like powers that hint at potential planet-destroying abilities, especially with the introduction of “Divine Beasts” and reality-warping entities.

5.​

The story and events often push the characters to confront increasingly larger threats, hinting at potential levels of strength that go beyond mere combat. Many of the characters show growth, and some even reach narrative-level “meta” power scaling that involves things like:

  • Reality Reshaping: Some of the game’s most powerful characters, like certain versions of The Student Council, seem to exist beyond the usual limitations of the world and can affect reality at a fundamental level.
  • Diverging Timelines and Futures: Blue Archive introduces characters who may not be from the same timeline or dimension, making the discussion of who is stronger based on their context rather than just a raw feat-to-feat comparison. This means the power scale can become multidimensional.


6.​

In the context of power scaling debates, you can argue that Blue Archive doesn’t just rely on the typical tiering systems of "A tier, B tier, C tier" or just "strongest unit wins." Instead, it encourages a more layered and complex view of power where:

  • Raw power is only one aspect, and a character’s strategic, magical, or technological abilities are just as important.
  • The environment and narrative context can boost or diminish the effectiveness of a character's abilities, making it less predictable but more dynamic.
When compared to other popular gacha games, Blue Archive feels more like an evolving, multifaceted universe where each character brings something unique to the table. Even those without immediate high-level abilities can become key players in the larger conflict, which makes the whole power scaling much more fluid and expansive.



Final Words: The Best Power Scaling for a Reason​

Ultimately, Blue Archive is one of the best gacha games not just for its combat mechanics but because its world-building, character development, and lore create an intricate and fascinating power scale. From high-tech assassins and magical prodigies to god-like creatures and reality-bending entities, Blue Archive doesn’t just hand out raw power but creates a universe where tactics, abilities, and lore all intertwine. That depth of scaling is what can truly elevate the game in any power scaling debate.



Drop these points in the VSBW debate, and you’ll surely have some strong ammo for why Blue Archive holds a unique place in gacha power scaling discussions.

1. Why I’m writing this​


We started this thread to focus on why Blue Archive isn’t legitimately at tier High 1-B under the VS Battles Wiki system. The aim was to evaluate the evidence, the definitions, the lore, and the scaling criteria. That remains the aim.


However, your contributions have repeatedly moved away from that focus: you’ve been making hostile remarks, changing the subject, dismissing others’ points without addressing them, and derailing the conversation. These repeated tangents make it difficult for anyone to engage in a constructive, evidence-based debate.


So this essay is to:


  • call out that behaviour in a professional manner
  • explain why it’s problematic for the thread’s goal
  • request that you shift your approach so that we can refocus on the main topic
  • outline how I (and others) intend to proceed if the behaviour continues




2. What I’ve observed​


Here are some specific patterns I’ve noticed from your posts:


  • You often post replies that do not address the core claim of the thread (i.e., the legitimacy of “High 1-B” for Blue Archive) but instead sidetrack into unrelated topics.
  • There have been hostile, dismissive tones towards other users’ contributions rather than direct engagement with the arguments.
  • At times, the behaviour seems more aimed at derailing discussion (changing focus, provoking reaction) than at advancing the analysis.

For example:


  • Instead of tackling the definition of “higher dimensions” or the criteria for High 1-B, you’ve shifted to other aspects (or even launched criticisms of users rather than their arguments).
  • When someone raises a point you don’t like, instead of replying with “here’s why I disagree, here are my reasons”, the response is often “that’s silly”, or “you’re missing the obvious”, without actual substance.
  • Repeated digressions make it hard for people who do want to engage in the main topic to keep up and contribute meaningfully.

At this point I must say: the behaviour is rude, because it prevents a fair discussion, wastes time, and disrespects others who are trying to stay focused.





3. Why this behaviour matters​


The reason your (and my) time matters is because this thread exists for analysis, not flame-wars. That means:


  • We need to stick to the criteria set by the VS Battles Wiki tiering system (for example: “Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space” for High 1-B) as per their own definitions. VS Battles Wiki+2VS Battles Wiki+2
  • We need to use the lore and feats of Blue Archive, interpreted carefully and consistently, rather than relying on intuition, head-canon, or vague “vibes”.
  • A respectful tone matters, because if people expect hostility they’ll disengage—and we’ll end up with a thread that’s more about conflict than clarity.

When someone repeatedly derails or uses disruptive behaviour, what happens is:


  • The original topic gets buried
  • Participants lose the desire to respond
  • The thread devolves into shouting rather than reasoned debate
  • Valuable analysis is lost to frustration

In other words: your behaviour isn’t just annoying—it’s counterproductive to the shared goal.





4. What I’m​


Here’s how you can help restore productive discussion:


  1. Stick to the topic: When you reply, focus on the question: Does Blue Archive meet the criteria for High 1-B? Why or why not? Bring up specific lore, specific feats, and specific definitions.
  2. Address arguments, not people: If someone posts something you disagree with, respond with “Here’s why I disagree — because …” rather than “You’re wrong”, “That’s stupid”, or “You don’t get it”.
  3. Avoid digressions: If you have a tangent, post it in a separate thread. Here, we want a focused discussion on the tiering.
  4. Maintain respectful tone: Disagreement is fine, passion is fine, but hostility isn’t. Others are trying to contribute thoughtfully; let’s engage their ideas.
  5. Support your claims: If you assert a feat proves “infinite-dimensional destruction”, provide the exact chapter/scene, context, and how it maps to the Tier criteria (e.g., showing effect on infinite dimensions). These aren’t optional—they’re required for meaningful discussion.

If you can commit to these steps, I believe the thread can become a meaningful examination of Blue Archive’s scaling. If you can’t, then the discussion will continue to degrade, and I’ll have little choice but to ignore further off-topic replies, because they simply create noise.





5. Why I believe you​


I’m not writing this because I think you’re inherently abusive or malicious. I’m writing because I see you can contribute meaningfully, and I want you to, not waste your energy in derailment.


You posted in the thread because you have interest in the topic. That means you have knowledge, you have a voice that could help. If we channel that voice into focused argument-and-counterargument rather than hostility and digression, the thread will benefit, you will benefit (by making your case more persuasive), and the overall community will benefit.





6. What happens next​


If the disruptive pattern continues, here’s how I intend to respond (and I hope you’ll understand why):


  • I will ignore further replies from you that do not engage the topic properly (i.e., those that sidetrack or are hostile without substance).
  • I will continue to engage with posts from others who stay on-topic, and if you’re willing, I will continue engaging with your posts—but only if they meet the criteria above.
  • I may call out specific off-topic posts and point out “This post doesn’t address the main claim, so I’m skipping it” rather than replying with further criticism.
  • If the behaviour persists, the thread may shift into a “productive only” mode where I (and likely others) will only respond to posts that satisfy minimal standards of relevance and civility.

This isn’t a threat—it’s a pragmatic recognition that we only have so much time and attention, and continuing to engage with derailment would drown out the good discussion.





7. Final appeal​


Look: We both like discussing scaling, we both like the lore of Blue Archive, and we both (I assume) want clarity rather than chaos. So I’m appealing to you in good faith: let’s turn this into a thread we’re proud of, rather than a firefight.


I respect that you brought your viewpoint. But I’m asking you now to respect this thread’s purpose and the community’s time. If you can do that: fantastic. If you’d rather continue derailing and hostility, then I’ll have to step back from responding meaningfully, because I refuse to waste my effort on noise.


Thank you for reading this. I look forward to your next post on topic, and I hope we can move forward productively.
 
Ah, I see you’re ready to drop some truth bombs in the power scaling debate on VSBW about Blue Archive! Alright, let’s get into it. Here's why Blue Archive could be considered the best gacha game, especially in the context of power scaling:



1.​

Blue Archive features a wide range of characters with unique abilities, backgrounds, and lore. Each character’s power is defined not just by raw strength but by their intelligence, magical abilities, and various skills. The game’s diverse range of characters means there’s a spectrum of power scaling that includes:

  • Magic Users: Characters like Haruna, whose abilities revolve around enhancing and manipulating magic in powerful ways.
  • Technology Users: Characters like Aris who use advanced tech to augment their physical and mental abilities.
  • Super Soldiers: Characters like Iori who are literally designed to be peak human or superhuman with enhanced strength, speed, and resilience.
  • Strategists and Leaders: Characters like Mizuki and Hoshino who play crucial roles in guiding their allies, often in ways that highlight intellect and leadership in battles.
This diversity makes power scaling in Blue Archive more interesting than in many other gacha games because it involves multiple layers: physical strength, intelligence, technology, magic, and more.

2.​

One of the most underrated aspects of Blue Archive is its expanding lore involving different schools, factions, and alternate dimensions. This expands the power scaling because many of the characters interact across various realities and face opponents of different scales. For example:

  • Cosmic Beasts and Reality Warpers: Some characters, like Hoshino, interact with creatures and beings that exist beyond the normal realm, giving them access to god-like abilities that affect timelines and universes.
  • Advanced AI and Reality Manipulation: Characters like Azusa, whose skillset involves manipulation of dimensions, time, and space, add a whole layer of complexity to the game’s power scale.
The inclusion of alternate worlds and divine or god-tier powers opens up a lot of debate on whether the characters are tiered within normal human limits or transcend into higher realms of power.

3.​

Unlike some other gacha games where power scaling is often based on who can hit the hardest or have the highest stats, Blue Archive often ties characters’ strength to narrative and strategy. Many characters’ abilities aren’t just about sheer firepower but also tactical advantages, buffs, and debuffs that can drastically affect the tide of battle. This makes the argument for scaling more nuanced and thoughtful:

  • Tactical Abilities: Some characters may not hit the hardest but can take control of the flow of battle, such as applying status effects that manipulate enemies or assist allies.
  • Buff/Debuff Synergies: Characters can scale not just by their individual strength but by how they synergize with others—leading to complex power dynamics that can rival or exceed simple raw strength scaling.

4.​

If we’re talking about sheer combat feats, Blue Archive doesn’t shy away from showing off massive destruction. The use of high-tech weaponry, magic, and large-scale attacks means that some of the game's characters have demonstrated the power to level entire districts or alter the environment around them on a massive scale. This brings into play discussions of:

  • AoE (Area of Effect) Damage: Multiple characters can execute moves that affect large areas, leading to impressive feats of destruction that could rival many other universes.
  • Planetary Scale Destruction: While Blue Archive isn’t exactly about world-shattering power like some other anime or gacha universes, it does feature characters with god-like powers that hint at potential planet-destroying abilities, especially with the introduction of “Divine Beasts” and reality-warping entities.

5.​

The story and events often push the characters to confront increasingly larger threats, hinting at potential levels of strength that go beyond mere combat. Many of the characters show growth, and some even reach narrative-level “meta” power scaling that involves things like:

  • Reality Reshaping: Some of the game’s most powerful characters, like certain versions of The Student Council, seem to exist beyond the usual limitations of the world and can affect reality at a fundamental level.
  • Diverging Timelines and Futures: Blue Archive introduces characters who may not be from the same timeline or dimension, making the discussion of who is stronger based on their context rather than just a raw feat-to-feat comparison. This means the power scale can become multidimensional.


6.​

In the context of power scaling debates, you can argue that Blue Archive doesn’t just rely on the typical tiering systems of "A tier, B tier, C tier" or just "strongest unit wins." Instead, it encourages a more layered and complex view of power where:

  • Raw power is only one aspect, and a character’s strategic, magical, or technological abilities are just as important.
  • The environment and narrative context can boost or diminish the effectiveness of a character's abilities, making it less predictable but more dynamic.
When compared to other popular gacha games, Blue Archive feels more like an evolving, multifaceted universe where each character brings something unique to the table. Even those without immediate high-level abilities can become key players in the larger conflict, which makes the whole power scaling much more fluid and expansive.



Final Words: The Best Power Scaling for a Reason​

Ultimately, Blue Archive is one of the best gacha games not just for its combat mechanics but because its world-building, character development, and lore create an intricate and fascinating power scale. From high-tech assassins and magical prodigies to god-like creatures and reality-bending entities, Blue Archive doesn’t just hand out raw power but creates a universe where tactics, abilities, and lore all intertwine. That depth of scaling is what can truly elevate the game in any power scaling debate.



Drop these points in the VSBW debate, and you’ll surely have some strong ammo for why Blue Archive holds a unique place in gacha power scaling discussions.
Mf really copy paste a chatgpt answer 💀 at least word it to not look like a blatant ai ahh answer.
 
Ah, I see you’re ready to drop some truth bombs in the power scaling debate on VSBW about Blue Archive! Alright, let’s get into it. Here's why Blue Archive could be considered the best gacha game, especially in the context of power scaling:



1.​

Blue Archive features a wide range of characters with unique abilities, backgrounds, and lore. Each character’s power is defined not just by raw strength but by their intelligence, magical abilities, and various skills. The game’s diverse range of characters means there’s a spectrum of power scaling that includes:

  • Magic Users: Characters like Haruna, whose abilities revolve around enhancing and manipulating magic in powerful ways.
  • Technology Users: Characters like Aris who use advanced tech to augment their physical and mental abilities.
  • Super Soldiers: Characters like Iori who are literally designed to be peak human or superhuman with enhanced strength, speed, and resilience.
  • Strategists and Leaders: Characters like Mizuki and Hoshino who play crucial roles in guiding their allies, often in ways that highlight intellect and leadership in battles.
This diversity makes power scaling in Blue Archive more interesting than in many other gacha games because it involves multiple layers: physical strength, intelligence, technology, magic, and more.

2.​

One of the most underrated aspects of Blue Archive is its expanding lore involving different schools, factions, and alternate dimensions. This expands the power scaling because many of the characters interact across various realities and face opponents of different scales. For example:

  • Cosmic Beasts and Reality Warpers: Some characters, like Hoshino, interact with creatures and beings that exist beyond the normal realm, giving them access to god-like abilities that affect timelines and universes.
  • Advanced AI and Reality Manipulation: Characters like Azusa, whose skillset involves manipulation of dimensions, time, and space, add a whole layer of complexity to the game’s power scale.
The inclusion of alternate worlds and divine or god-tier powers opens up a lot of debate on whether the characters are tiered within normal human limits or transcend into higher realms of power.

3.​

Unlike some other gacha games where power scaling is often based on who can hit the hardest or have the highest stats, Blue Archive often ties characters’ strength to narrative and strategy. Many characters’ abilities aren’t just about sheer firepower but also tactical advantages, buffs, and debuffs that can drastically affect the tide of battle. This makes the argument for scaling more nuanced and thoughtful:

  • Tactical Abilities: Some characters may not hit the hardest but can take control of the flow of battle, such as applying status effects that manipulate enemies or assist allies.
  • Buff/Debuff Synergies: Characters can scale not just by their individual strength but by how they synergize with others—leading to complex power dynamics that can rival or exceed simple raw strength scaling.

4.​

If we’re talking about sheer combat feats, Blue Archive doesn’t shy away from showing off massive destruction. The use of high-tech weaponry, magic, and large-scale attacks means that some of the game's characters have demonstrated the power to level entire districts or alter the environment around them on a massive scale. This brings into play discussions of:

  • AoE (Area of Effect) Damage: Multiple characters can execute moves that affect large areas, leading to impressive feats of destruction that could rival many other universes.
  • Planetary Scale Destruction: While Blue Archive isn’t exactly about world-shattering power like some other anime or gacha universes, it does feature characters with god-like powers that hint at potential planet-destroying abilities, especially with the introduction of “Divine Beasts” and reality-warping entities.

5.​

The story and events often push the characters to confront increasingly larger threats, hinting at potential levels of strength that go beyond mere combat. Many of the characters show growth, and some even reach narrative-level “meta” power scaling that involves things like:

  • Reality Reshaping: Some of the game’s most powerful characters, like certain versions of The Student Council, seem to exist beyond the usual limitations of the world and can affect reality at a fundamental level.
  • Diverging Timelines and Futures: Blue Archive introduces characters who may not be from the same timeline or dimension, making the discussion of who is stronger based on their context rather than just a raw feat-to-feat comparison. This means the power scale can become multidimensional.


6.​

In the context of power scaling debates, you can argue that Blue Archive doesn’t just rely on the typical tiering systems of "A tier, B tier, C tier" or just "strongest unit wins." Instead, it encourages a more layered and complex view of power where:

  • Raw power is only one aspect, and a character’s strategic, magical, or technological abilities are just as important.
  • The environment and narrative context can boost or diminish the effectiveness of a character's abilities, making it less predictable but more dynamic.
When compared to other popular gacha games, Blue Archive feels more like an evolving, multifaceted universe where each character brings something unique to the table. Even those without immediate high-level abilities can become key players in the larger conflict, which makes the whole power scaling much more fluid and expansive.



Final Words: The Best Power Scaling for a Reason​

Ultimately, Blue Archive is one of the best gacha games not just for its combat mechanics but because its world-building, character development, and lore create an intricate and fascinating power scale. From high-tech assassins and magical prodigies to god-like creatures and reality-bending entities, Blue Archive doesn’t just hand out raw power but creates a universe where tactics, abilities, and lore all intertwine. That depth of scaling is what can truly elevate the game in any power scaling debate.



Drop these points in the VSBW debate, and you’ll surely have some strong ammo for why Blue Archive holds a unique place in gacha power scaling discussions.
BEST GACHA GAME
BEEP BEEP
HELLO BASED DEPARTMENT??
THIS GUY IS REPPING BLUE ARCHIVE!!!!!
BASED DEPARTMENT: WTF

several clanker noises later

print("ggz is the best gacha game")
 
Mf really copy paste a chatgpt answer 💀 at least word it to not look like a blatant ai ahh answer.
If they’re accusing you of using me on VSBW, the safest and cleanest response is:

⭐

VSBW allows AI assistance for formatting, calculations, and clarification, but not for arguments or evidence unless sources are provided.
So you can say something like:

“I sometimes use AI to help organize wording or check calculations, but all my arguments and evidence come from the actual sources. If something needs a scan or feat calc source, I’ll provide it.”
That avoids lying and makes it clear you aren’t outsourcing your reasoning.

⭐

Sometimes people throw “you’re using AI” as a way to dismiss an argument.
A simple, non-defensive reply works best:

“If you think something in my argument is incorrect, point out the specific part and we can go over it. Whether I worded it myself or used a tool doesn’t change the evidence.”
This shifts the convo back to the argument, not the drama.

⭐

That will get you roasted on VSBW.
Instead:

  • Present scans, statements, calc numbers, etc.
  • Use me only to help you phrase or double-check logic.
  • Always show the actual source, not “AI said.”

⭐

Then just say:

“I didn’t use AI for the argument — everything I posted is my own reasoning and supported by sources. If something looks off, let’s go through the evidence.”


If you want, you can tell me what exactly they said, and I can help you craft a more precise, chill response that won’t make the situation worse.
BEST GACHA GAME
BEEP BEEP
HELLO BASED DEPARTMENT??
THIS GUY IS REPPING BLUE ARCHIVE!!!!!
BASED DEPARTMENT: WTF
me when im about to get slimed by infinite dimensional attack but i just tank it bcs im 3D so im so inferior higher dimensional attacks dont affect me so i genuenly just eviscerate comp hoyoverse comp blue archive comp nasuverse comp grand blue fantasy comp chinamen comp marvel comp WoD comp LoTs but then goku just soloed me bcs i made a grave mistake (i bragged abt being strong so my israel gpt amp just died mid fight)
 
me when im about to get slimed by infinite dimensional attack but i just tank it bcs im 3D so im so inferior higher dimensional attacks dont affect me so i genuenly just eviscerate comp hoyoverse comp blue archive comp nasuverse comp grand blue fantasy comp chinamen comp marvel comp WoD comp LoTs but then goku just soloed me bcs i made a grave mistake (i bragged abt being strong so my israel gpt amp just died mid fight)
 
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