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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

CodeCCLL said:
@TheHyperGuy
My friend really translated the expression in such a way that I think he's going to claim that the whole world is planet and only the world is just civilization.

I'm going to do more calculations...
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Calculations?

You mean translations?
Ultimuru said:
6 days till the end of this journey guys.
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more like 7. We aren’t getting translation for a whole day fr
 
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
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"Maybe they'll just make the two of them turn over a new leaf or something."
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
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Maybe Velgaia, trapped in imaginary space or Eternal Pain from WN 😈
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
By the way, I read a bad translation, so I didn't quite understand, but this Veldanava is at 100%, right?

I mean, with all his abilities and strength.
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That is what Velzard said, Veldanava has resurrected a long time ago but due to the inherent nature of true dragon's resurrection his ego changed and was gaining power after coming back.
 
Violatas said:
I still think it's wild that LN Rimuru potentially may surpass his wn version solidly after all this time
LN bros stay winning...
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Doesn't the light novel Rimuru win at this point?

I mean, the web novel Rimuru can only interact with Rimuru using Turn null.

And Rimuru already has many layers of resistance to conceptual manipulation 1.

Rimuru will neither lose nor win against Veldanava and Ivarage, I think there will only be a personality reset in both of them.
 
I'd say WN has it but only by a little bit so far.

Since WN Rimuru was using Nihility Collapse better than early Volume 23 Rimuru after he comes back from the end of space-time.

As well as having Multiple Existence means he can overwhelm LN Rimuru who can't even use Parallel Existence.
 
PrimeHydra64 said:
I'd say WN has it but only by a little bit so far.

Since WN Rimuru was using Nihility Collapse better than early Volume 23 Rimuru after he comes back from the end of space-time.

As well as having Multiple Existence means he can overwhelm LN Rimuru who can't even use Parallel Existence.
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You still haven't resolved the layers of resistance to conceptual manipulation 1. Can multiple existence not be solved with Spacetime Continuous Attack?
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
Doesn't the light novel Rimuru win at this point?

I mean, the web novel Rimuru can only interact with Rimuru using Turn null.
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That's just part of the outdated profile, like the LN, WN skills and magic are CM1.
Eikichi_Sensei said:
And Rimuru already has many layers of resistance to conceptual manipulation 1.
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WN should have the same amount of layers.

WN and LN practically have the same hax as of now. WN has nep3 nature 2 tho, although LN will probably get the same at some point. WN also has better immortality type 9 and math manipulation. And WN has a good nonduality argument. Anagram magic is also OP. But vol 23 will probably give LN even better forms of the WNs most powerful hax. And the LN has higher scaling arguments as well as speed.
PrimeHydra64 said:
I'd say WN has it but only by a little bit so far.

Since WN Rimuru was using Nihility Collapse better than early Volume 23 Rimuru after he comes back from the end of space-time.
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Yeah, LN Nihility Collapse will probably turn out stronger tho.
PrimeHydra64 said:
As well as having Multiple Existence means he can overwhelm LN Rimuru who can't even use Parallel Existence.
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They both have Azi Dahaka, so clones shouldn't matter.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
Can multiple existence not be solved with Spacetime Continuous Attack?
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It depends since both can use it and they are essentially equal except for the aforementioned things.
Lycoris4812 said:
They both have Azi Dahaka, so clones shouldn't matter.
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I mean yeah but it isn't explicitly stated that Rimuru has Azi Dahaka in the LN but I'd expect it to come in the later parts of volume 23.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
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Unless that's not Veldanava to begin with humu
Eikichi_Sensei said:
By the way, I read a bad translation, so I didn't quite understand, but this Veldanava is at 100%, right?

I mean, with all his abilities and strength.
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According to Velzard yes, but Guy has his suspicion and there are many plot holes if it's truly him. Like how did Feldway not notice Veldanava if according to Velzard, he has resurrected a long time ago inside the chamber. And why did he possess Jahil's body when he can make his own. And why is he regaining his powers when a true dragon doesn't lose its power after resurrection.

Plus even in the WN Velzard mistook Manas Velda for Veldanava. I think the true Veldanava will come in the Second Coming chapter.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
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As anticlimactic as it would sound, I think Rimuru will eat them both. He did that with Yuuki in WN. Also he somehow have to become top 1 of the verse as usually happens in isekais.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
What do you think will happen to Veldanava and Ivarage?

I mean, I don't think Fuze will write that Rimuru killed them both, since they're both important.

Besides, how do you kill Veldanava when he can come back whenever he wants?

And we still don't know if Ivarage can do the same.

Honestly, I don't see any answer other than a personality change in Veldanava.
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A seal isn't going to work either, so probably Veldanava changed his mind or he won. Because the battle won't ever end, he can spam resurrect button and even become more stronger the more he ressurects
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
He did say that neither Yuuki nor Rimuru got to the level of Prime Veldanava tho, lol
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Rimuru rn is prime Veldanava level tho?
Not all-in-one but Veldanava also it seems the speed of light isn't a constant in slime so we can have FTL blitzes lmao
それなりに頭がいいと自負していたが、〝光の速さは一定ではない〟とか〝時間は不変ではない〟とか、『それって君の感想ですよね？』みたいな概念の話を聞かされても、それと能力とどういう関係があるのかさえも理解出来なかったのだ。
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Unless that's not Veldanava to begin with humu

According to Velzard yes, but Guy has his suspicion and there are many plot holes if it's truly him. Like how did Feldway not notice Veldanava if according to Velzard, he has resurrected a long time ago inside the chamber. And why did he possess Jahil's body when he can make his own. And why is he regaining his powers when a true dragon doesn't lose its power after resurrection.

Plus even in the WN Velzard mistook Manas Velda for Veldanava. I think the true Veldanava will come in the Second Coming chapter.
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Veldanava reincarnated back into his human body that was sealed, he didn't create a new one so he was gathering back all his lost powers while in there, he didn't let feldway know and that is why Feldway does not know. Easy as that, he is Veldanava after all .
 
Community_Gamer said:
No EPUB...(I already have all of them in EPUB but still)
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I thought pdfs were better since they supported both Android and PC.
Mizuki67 said:
Rimuru rn is prime Veldanava level tho?
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WN? Na
Just the Veldanava that created the world Rimuru and others are in using Void Collapse.

WN Veldanava also created the laws of the world like in LN (not directly said in WN but stated by Fuse in reviews).
Mizuki67 said:
Not all-in-one but Veldanava also it seems the speed of light isn't a constant in slime so we can have FTL blitzes lmao
それなりに頭がいいと自負していたが、〝光の速さは一定ではない〟とか〝時間は不変ではない〟とか、『それって君の感想ですよね？』みたいな概念の話を聞かされても、それと能力とどういう関係があるのかさえも理解出来なかったのだ。
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I have all of em in EPUB too (albeit only the Japanese raws, not otl).
Mizuki67 said:
Veldanava reincarnated back into his human body that was sealed,
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We saw him resurrect in Jahil's body though
異常事態は、それだけではなかった。
But the abnormality did not end there.
地上に放置されていたジャヒルの死体が、怪しく蠢き始めていたのだ。
Jahil’s corpse, left lying on the ground, began to writhe unnervingly.
そして最後に──
And finally—
誰も察していない謎の気配が、遥か高みから混沌とした戦場を眺めていた。
A mysterious presence, unnoticed by all, watched the chaotic battlefield from far above.
『フフフ、ボクの〝妻〟が生き返ったよ。もう直ぐ〝娘〟もやって来る。家族が揃うんだ。次は失敗しないよ。ちゃんと〝選別〟して、価値ある者だけを残さなきゃね』
“Fufufu… my wife has been revived, and my daughter will arrive soon as well. The whole family will be together again. I won’t fail this time. I must properly select—and keep only those who have value.”
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Mizuki67 said:
he didn't create a new one so he was gathering back all his lost powers while in there
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True Dragons don't lose their powers upon resurrection lol
Mizuki67 said:
, he didn't let feldway know and that is why Feldway does not know. Easy as that, he is Veldanava after all .
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Velzard explicitly said this
「貴方はやっぱり強いわね、ギィ。私はね、兄が怖かった。復活した兄は、力を回復させる為に〝天星宮〟で眠っていたの。私かフェルドウェイしか入れない最奥の間で、ずっと」
“You really are strong, Guy. I… I was afraid of my brother. My revived brother slept in the Heavenly Star Palace to regain his power. In the innermost Sacred Chamber where only I or Feldway could enter, all this time.
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How would he make it so that Feldway doesn't know if he has lost his powers?

There are just too many plot wholes unless it's Manas Velda, and Guy is hinting towards it too.
 
Mizuki67 said:
Rimuru rn is prime Veldanava level tho?
Not all-in-one but Veldanava also it seems the speed of light isn't a constant in slime so we can have FTL blitzes lmao
それなりに頭がいいと自負していたが、〝光の速さは一定ではない〟とか〝時間は不変ではない〟とか、『それって君の感想ですよね？』みたいな概念の話を聞かされても、それと能力とどういう関係があるのかさえも理解出来なかったのだ。
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Downgrade speed of light to Hypersonic 🗣
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
True Dragons don't lose their powers upon resurrection lol

Velzard explicitly said this

How would he make it so that Feldway doesn't know if he has lost his powers?
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Honestly, I don’t think it’s a plot hole. We know that Veldanava had already lost most of his power after Milim’s birth. When he resurrected, it was in that weakened state rather than his full power, so he was simply regaining his strength.


As for Feldway not knowing, I don’t think he had any way of finding out unless someone told him or he himself check it.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Then why the supposed Veldanava oosssess Jahil lol
Also, memory manipulation is possible if it's Manas Veldanava. He did something similar in WN called "thought guidance".
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Holy yap. Veldanava was watching the battlefield at the time jahil’s body started tweaking.

Mind manip is not possible because it would mean velzard was affected before he even reincarnated
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Then why the supposed Veldanava oosssess Jahil lol
Also, memory manipulation is possible if it's Manas Veldanava. He did something similar in WN called "thought guidance".
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Why do you think Veldanava possessed him? The two events, while listed subsequently, are separated and might refer to different things, for example, as was mentioned before, Twilight getting Jahil's body
 
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