Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

[BlackDarkness679]

Anime Dante is at very least comparable (if not superior) to Full Power Sparda, and Abigail is slightly inferior to Full Power Mundus (which supposedly has Low/Mid Godly regen), and the latter is itself inferior to Full Power Sparda.

Proof that Dante was comparable to Sparda in anime? He needed Sparda sword to beat Mundus, let alone Sparda DT

DMC2 is when Dante reached Sparda level, given Void Mundus defeat and Argosax

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Dante and Vergil as half demons had mid godly regen, why would full on demons lack that....

There is no reason to give demons the abilities of Sparda's bloodline.

also all demons have just their soul remaining after destroying their body, which you absorb to gain benefits out of that

Yes, but we don't even know if they can heal their injuries once they return from their Devil Arms.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Proof that Dante was comparable to Sparda in anime? He needed Sparda sword to beat Mundus, let alone Sparda DT

DMC2 is when Dante reached Sparda level, given Void Mundus defeat and Argosax

The anime takes place in the same year as DMC2, as implied in BtN

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The anime takes place in the same year as DMC2, as implied in BtN

That still doesnt mean they are comparable, you watched the same thing? Dante needs DT to beat Abigail, Void Mundus and Argosax are beaten in base form

 

[BlackDarkness679]

There is no reason to give demons the abilities of Sparda's bloodline.

You headcanon as if regen is specifically Sparda bloodline only, stop it

Yes, but we don't even know if they can heal their injuries once they return from their Devil Arms.

Again headcanon from you, the demon physiology tells you low godly there, once again i wonder you can be so stubborn about it, you realize DMC is a big verse, they aint getting away with stuff that isnt looking as pointed in a CRT if it wasnt the case

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That still doesnt mean they are comparable, you watched the same thing? Dante needs DT to beat Abigail, Void Mundus and Argosax are beaten in base form

That doesn't change the fact that Anime Dante is still superior to a Demon King level character.

You headcanon as if regen is specifically Sparda bloodline only, stop it

It's up to you to prove that demons share the Sparda Bloodline's Mid Godly regeneration. Even the physiology page doesn't include that.

Again headcanon from you, the demon physiology tells you low godly there, once again i wonder you can be so stubborn about it, you realize DMC is a big verse, they aint getting away with stuff that isnt looking as pointed in a CRT if it wasnt the case

That's why I said I was going to do a CRT to remove that, because there's no scan on the physiology page that even proves it gives them regeneration. All we know is that they can return from their Devils Arms form, as Balrog said, but literally no proof that they regenerate from their injuries when that happens.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

That doesn't change the fact that Anime Dante is still superior to a Demon King level character.

You claim Dante didnt neg his regen, yet does it once going DT

That's why I said I was going to do a CRT to remove that, because there's no scan on the physiology page that even proves it gives them regeneration.

Are you legit blind? The demons who reform from just souls from the sarcophagus enemies or the soul eater demons...they get bodies from literally whatever they can get hands on to form ones

All we know is that they can return from their Devils Arms form, as Balrog said, but literally no proof that they regenerate from their injuries when that happens.

Headcanon once more from you, literally as you were told before, you need to be spoon fed an ability to know its a thing? Nowhere says Ryu Mu no Ken gives him intangibility, yet you have 2 visual indications of it via not hurting a butterfly yet landing a deadly blow on Necalli or extinguishing fire while not hurting Chun Li, by your logic he shouldnt have these cuz its not told to us like morons

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

You claim Dante didnt neg his regen, yet does it once going DT

No, the explosion in Devil Trigger just stripped him of Abigail's powers.

Are you legit blind? The demons who reform from just souls from the sarcophagus enemies or the soul eater demons...they get bodies from literally whatever they can get hands on to form ones

The Hell Greed scan just describes the summoning of spirits that take on a physical form, and the Soul Eater scan just says that they are the spirits of dead demons have merged to take this form. No regeneration here.

Headcanon once more from you, literally as you were told before, you need to be spoon fed an ability to know its a thing? Nowhere says Ryu Mu no Ken gives him intangibility, yet you have 2 visual indications of it via not hurting a butterfly yet landing a deadly blow on Necalli or extinguishing fire while not hurting Chun Li, by your logic he shouldnt have these cuz its not told to us like morons

Except that it is neither stated nor shown that they regenerate their injuries when they return from their Devil Arms forms.
I never said a statement is necessary to prove it.

 

[Tanin_iver]

So you think they're injured from the hits they took, but their regeneration is still working perfectly?

I don't just think, I see that they get injured and they regen in the same cutscene. So yes their regen is Visually depicted and demonstrated to be working fine.
Do you think regeneration just slows down or doesn't work because of an injury?

The whole point of regeneration is to heal injuries.

Yeah regeneration is healing injuries and I don't think I have denied that anywhere. And that's exactly what we see happening or do you see something else in the cutscenes?

Dante and Vergil were injured because their regeneration wasn't working properly.

What? U(or anyone else for that matter whether fictional or real) don't get injured because your regeneration doesn't work properly.
Regeneration is healing injuries so u need to be injured in the first place to heal or regenerate or else u aren't regenerating anything if are not injured at all.
You are contradicting yourself here, smh.

Or it could simply be that the devil powers they regain are just not huge enough to compete with the opponents they face,

Yeah that's exactly what I said. Either demons/hybrids etc fight opponents who are of comparable level or they get their regen or even amps get negged by stronger or more layered opponents or vice versa.
They might regain power but superior opponents can just lol nope them.
So I don't understand what's your contention here. We seem to be in agreement here. You just seem to be arguing from incredulity regarding the mechanics.

, or that they get one-shotted before having any significant amp.
You don't need to have a regeneration negation

You cannot technically one shot anyone if the attack doesn't bypass their level of regen.
I mean a character with 2-A AP and no regen neg isn't just one shotting or outright killing even a 10-C character with a punch or dismemberment if they have high regen. They maybe able to damage them or knock them out but it doesn't mean they won't just recover from their injuries.

(assuming that all demons actually have regeneration).

So which Demons do you believe have regen or do you think no demons have regen barring Sparda and his kin?

This does not prove that there is regeneration negation either.

Strawman. I am not saying it's a proof, I am explaining the mechanics.

Also, it's interesting because it can proves empowerment negation for Dante and Vergil, not regeneration negation.

Why would it (empowerment negation, although regen neg too but whatever) apply only for Dante and Vergil? Any other Demon can kill comparable or weaker demons, could you give your justifications as to why it only applies to the Sons of Sparda?

Also, could you elaborate on whether you think regen is tied to stamina or DE or if both stamina and DE are the same according to your viewpoint?
I just want to understand your reasoning and theory better.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I don't just think, I see that they get injured and they regen in the same cutscene. So yes their regen is Visually depicted and demonstrated to be working fine.
Do you think regeneration just slows down because of an injury?

Yeah regeneration is healing injuries and I don't think I have denied that anywhere. And that's exactly what we see happening or do you see something else in the cutscenes?

Their regeneration didn't work completely, as they were injured and weakened for a few minutes, as both stated and shown.

We don't see any visible injuries on them because Capcom didn't want to show them for some reason; even their clothes aren't torn, which doesn't prove they regenerated.

What? U(or anyone else for that matter whether fictional or real) don't get injured because your regeneration doesn't work properly. You are contradicting yourself here.
Regeneration is healing injuries so u need to be injured in the first place to heal or regenerate or else u aren't regenerating anything if are not injured at all

Yes, it was just a small mistake on my part when I wrote it, but what I mean is that Dante and Vergil were still injured and weakened minutes later because their regeneration was malfunctioning.

I don't even know why we're having a debate about this given how explicit it is; the debate we should only be having is whether this regeneration dysfunction is due to regeneration negation or stamina.

You cannot technically one shot anyone if the attack doesn't bypass their level of regen.
I mean a character with 2-A AP and no regen neg isn't just one shotting or outright killing even a 10-C character with a punch or dismemberment if they have high regen. They maybe able to damage them or knock them out but it doesn't mean they won't just recover from their injuries.

That's true, but first we need to know what the regeneration of demons is and if they all share the same one.

Why would it (empowerment negation, although regen neg too but whatever) apply only for Dante and Vergil? Any other Demon can kill comparable or weaker demons, could you give your justifications?

That might be the case for other demons too, but I don't see how that changes anything in the debate.

if both stamina and DE are the same according to your viewpoint?

Yes.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No, the explosion in Devil Trigger just stripped him of Abigail's powers.

That's headcanon btw

The Hell Greed scan just describes the summoning of spirits that take on a physical form, and the Soul Eater scan just says that they are the spirits of dead demons have merged to take this form. No regeneration here.

So a soul that gains a physical body? Which is pretty much textbook low godly?

Except that it is neither stated nor shown that they regenerate their injuries when they return from their Devil Arms forms.
I never said a statement is necessary to prove it.

The whole point of becoming a devil arm is to survive against an enemy, gain more power and eventually take their form back to challenge the owner. Balrog says as much.

It's obvious they will regenerate whatever shit forced them into becoming a devil arm, otherwise it would be stupid and dumb, the whole thing would be irrelevant like come on.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That's headcanon btw

That's literally what we see on screen. Sid completely loses Abigail's powers after the explosion.

So a soul that gains a physical body? Which is pretty much textbook low godly?

Low Godly is a character who can regenerate from any type of physical destruction as long as he retains his soul, consciousness, etc.

No regeneration is shown or described in the guidebook or the game; we just see a soul taking physical form, that's all.

The whole point of becoming a devil arm is to survive against an enemy, gain more power and eventually take their form back to challenge the owner. Balrog says as much.

It's obvious they will regenerate whatever shit forced them into becoming a devil arm, otherwise it would be stupid and dumb, the whole thing would be irrelevant like come on.

No, it's not obvious, because they could absolutely still fight and regain strength even if they still have a missing limb or a scar from an old injury. To say they would completely regenerate from their injuries upon returning from a Devil Arm is pure assumption.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

My genuine reaction to this:

 

[BlackDarkness679]

A soul growing a physical body is what then...thats literally regeneration, you form a literal body, are you deadass for fr?

I seen other profiles get regeneration for similar cases

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Vergil, whom also had no soul left and grown a body and all back isnt regeneration by your logic

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's literally what we see on screen. Sid completely loses Abigail's powers after the explosion.

No, what we see on screen is Sid losing the transformation. There is absolutely nothing to even hint at the possibility of Sid losing those powers. That's why it is headcanon.

Low Godly is a character who can regenerate from any type of physical destruction as long as he retains his soul, consciousness, etc.

No regeneration is shown or described in the guidebook or the game; we just see a soul taking physical form, that's all.

Yeah, that what counts as Low-Godly. Restoring a body from a disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind or some other shit.

We see souls flying and gaining a body. That's textbook low godly.

No, it's not obvious, because they could absolutely still fight and regain strength even if they still have a missing limb or a scar from an old injury. To say they would completely regenerate from their injuries upon returning from a Devil Arm is pure assumption.

Brother, Balrog's body literally turns to ashes. If we were to use logic Balrog would just come back as ashes to try and fight Dante again.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? How stupid the whole Devil Arm process would be? It is OBVIOUS they wouldn't come back as a bunch of mutilated ass demons to try and fight, unless you think a bunch of cinder is going to show up and fight...

Add to that the fact that Devil Arms literally heal/regenerate themselves and you get the OBVIOUS thing that they will heal whatever shit the body got .

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

My genuine reaction to this:

I hate you

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I hate you

I know

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

No, what we see on screen is Sid losing the transformation. There is absolutely nothing to even hint at the possibility of Sid losing those powers. That's why it is headcanon.

If Sid hadn't lost his powers, he would have simply transformed back into Abigail, and he wouldn't have been so angry and desperate about losing to Dante.

We see souls flying and gaining a body. That's textbook low godly.

We literally see no regeneration. Nothing tells us that they would be able to regain their physical form after complete (or partial) physical destruction.

Brother, Balrog's body literally turns to ashes. If we were to use logic Balrog would just come back as ashes to try and fight Dante again.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? How stupid the whole Devil Arm process would be? It is OBVIOUS they wouldn't come back as a bunch of mutilated ass demons to try and fight, unless you think a bunch of cinder is going to show up and fight...

Add to that the fact that Devil Arms literally heal/regenerate themselves and you get the OBVIOUS thing that they will heal whatever shit the body got .

All other High Tier Demons do not turn to "ash" when they transform into Devil Arms. It's simply a stylish effect related to Balrog's fire-manipulating powers.

Also, "the whole point of the Devils Arms is to be able to come back stronger and confront the owner" is false; that's Balrog's objective, not that of other high-tier demons like Geryon, Cerberus, or Agni & Rudra.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I hate you

Your hate for us is divine

 

[Huesito88]

I hate you

Are you a Sith Lord now Tony?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah I know he posted that in response to DMC being nominated

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If Sid hadn't lost his powers, he would have simply transformed back into Abigail, and he wouldn't have been so angry and desperate about losing to Dante.

That's still headcanon.

Sid only lost the transformation and was angry that despite all that power Dante beat him. As we saw during their first fight they guy had the powers without the need to transform.

We literally see no regeneration. Nothing tells us that they would be able to regain their physical form after complete (or partial) physical destruction.

The fact that disembodied souls are able to get a physical body counts for it. This isn't really a problem, this is how the ability works.

After that logic dictates that, if a disembodied soul was able to get a physical body then nothing stops it from doing it again, especially since there is literally nothing to contradict it or to limit the ability to do so.

All other High Tier Demons do not turn to "ash" when they transform into Devil Arms. It's simply a stylish effect related to Balrog's fire-manipulating powers.

Also, "the whole point of the Devils Arms is to be able to come back stronger and confront the owner" is false; that's Balrog's objective, not that of other high-tier demons like Geryon, Cerberus, or Agni & Rudra.

Ah no, you are right. Berial does (and he was about to transform into a devil arm but rejected it out of spite), cerberus is a bunch of crystals, etc, etc. Every single demon reduces themselves to less than their original body before transforming into a devil arm.

Also I didn't say that's the whole point, I said the whole process would be stupid (which is actually surviving first and then confronting them later). Of course we have outliers which are those demons that freely admit defeat and "bless" their enemies with power (i.e. themselves as a DA) and those that get crushed and need to survive (Balrog and literally anyone else that didn't lent power to Dante on purpose). Berial himself was this close to doing it on instinct too but spite is a great force indeed for I am it's master and practitioner.

Besides, this doesn't disprove the fact that they will get a physical body back if they want to. Balrog will only wait till he gets enough power (which is never).


Now, this is a little bit of me throwing shade at you (so don't get angry) but my headcanon is that demons simply don't do a thing cuz we are talking about Dante... there is absolutely no way they can get enough power to challenge him (and those who tried already failed)

Your hate for us is divine

Now you've really crossed the line

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That's still headcanon.

Sid only lost the transformation and was angry that despite all that power Dante beat him. As we saw during their first fight they guy had the powers without the need to transform.

Everything in the scene makes it clear that Sid has lost Abigail's powers:

• He doesn't turn into Abigail again
• He said he got the powers of Abigail
• There is no evidence that Dante became significantly more powerful between episodes 11 and 12. Dante in his base form could not nullify Sid-Abigail's regeneration, so there is no reason why he could have done so minutes later.

Furthermore, the anime takes place a few years after DMC1, where Dante supposedly already possessed regeneration negation thanks to Devil Sword Sparda, and in the anime, Dante is at least comparable to Sparda. Why wasn't he able to nullify Sid's regeneration in the first place, even though the latter had the powers of a demon comparable to Mundus? It makes no sense.

The fact that disembodied souls are able to get a physical body counts for it. This isn't really a problem, this is how the ability works.

After that logic dictates that, if a disembodied soul was able to get a physical body then nothing stops it from doing it again, especially since there is literally nothing to contradict it or to limit the ability to do so.

Ah no, you are right. Berial does (and he was about to transform into a devil arm but rejected it out of spite), cerberus is a bunch of crystals, etc, etc. Every single demon reduces themselves to less than their original body before transforming into a devil arm.

Also I didn't say that's the whole point, I said the whole process would be stupid (which is actually surviving first and then confronting them later). Of course we have outliers which are those demons that freely admit defeat and "bless" their enemies with power (i.e. themselves as a DA) and those that get crushed and need to survive (Balrog and literally anyone else that didn't lent power to Dante on purpose). Berial himself was this close to doing it on instinct too but spite is a great force indeed for I am it's master and practitioner.

Besides, this doesn't disprove the fact that they will get a physical body back if they want to. Balrog will only wait till he gets enough power (which is never).


Now, this is a little bit of me throwing shade at you (so don't get angry) but my headcanon is that demons simply don't do a thing cuz we are talking about Dante... there is absolutely no way they can get enough power to challenge him (and those who tried already failed)

I will create a CRT about this when all the other current ones are finished and implemented, and the CRT about stamina/regeneration will be done if the one about regeneration downgrade is accepted (if it is not, there will obviously be no point in doing it).

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Everything in the scene makes it clear that Sid has lost Abigail's powers:

• He doesn't turn into Abigail again
• He said he got the powers of Abigail
• There is no evidence that Dante became significantly more powerful between episodes 11 and 12. Dante in his base form could not nullify Sid-Abigail's regeneration, so there is no reason why he could have done so minutes later.

Furthermore, the anime takes place a few years after DMC1, where Dante supposedly already possessed regeneration negation thanks to Devil Sword Sparda, and in the anime, Dante is at least comparable to Sparda. Why wasn't he able to nullify Sid's regeneration in the first place, even though the latter had the powers of a demon comparable to Mundus? It makes no sense.

• That doesn't mean he lost the powers.
• That doesn't support your argument, all the contrary
• There actually is given how easily Sid dealt with Dante in without the need to even transform. Considering we have had other feats of RE/AD this would just be one more. And this already happened in Volume 1. Dante or rather Tony cut the monkey demon in half in their first clash, the demon regenerated and after a few moments Tony cut him again this time actually negating said regeneration.

Dante, as the profile takes it, is at the strongest he was in the anime (i.e. after defeating Sid), not prior.

I will create a CRT about this when all the other current ones are finished and implemented, and the CRT about stamina/regeneration will be done if the one about regeneration downgrade is accepted (if it is not, there will obviously be no point in doing it).

Go for it ig

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

• That doesn't mean he lost the powers.
• That doesn't support your argument, all the contrary

The fact that he neither took Abigail's form nor a giant form (as he did against Dante) + that he says he got Abigail's powers (past tense) strongly suggests that he lost his powers. To say that he still had them at that moment is even more headcanon than the opposite.

There actually is given how easily Sid dealt with Dante in without the need to even transform. Considering we have had other feats of RE/AD this would just be one more. And this already happened in Volume 1. Dante or rather Tony cut the monkey demon in half in their first clash, the demon regenerated and after a few moments Tony cut him again this time actually negating said regeneration.

Dante was defeated by Sid the first time because he underestimated him. If Dante's AD were that fast (going from weaker than a Demon King to stronger in minutes), he would have eventually defeated Urizen during their fight, which lasted several hours. The demon monkey died because its body was destroyed by its own poison.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The fact that he neither took Abigail's form nor a giant form (as he did against Dante) + that he says he got Abigail's powers (past tense) strongly suggests that he lost his powers. To say that he still had them at that moment is even more headcanon than the opposite.

Again, that he didn't transform again is irrelevant as he has shown to have said powers in his regular looking form and what he says is that he got Abigail's powers and still lost not that he somehow lost them by some contrived and never explained reason. Hell, he even tells Dante that it is unfair that he lost despite all the power he got from Abigail.

None of that supports the idea that he lost those powers. It really is your headcanon fam.

Btw checking my beloved spanish subs he even says it is bizarre because Sid says he should be stronger than Dante even further supporting that he never lost said powers.

Dante was defeated by Sid the first time because he underestimated him. If Dante's AD were that fast (going from weaker than a Demon King to stronger in minutes), he would have eventually defeated Urizen during their fight, which lasted several hours. The demon monkey died because its body was destroyed by its own poison.

Nothing says Dante underestimated Sid, and considering the second round started with Sid regenerating and Dante aiming, nothing implies he underestimated him after that. There isn't even a fight on screen for us to analyze and say he underestimated Sid.

Are you forgetting the single simple fact that Urizen was connected to the Qliphoth? Growing stronger thanks to it? The fact that Urizen went from being weaker than Nightmare to being comparable to Dante and surpassing him in less than 2 days (including the whole fight they had) means Dante's own RE/AD was working overtime to cover the gap in power the Qliphoth was constantly creating.

I didn't say Tony killed the demon monkey, I said he negated his regeneration during the second fight they had. IIRC he cuts him to pieces and decapitates him and the guy is still talking to him but not regenerating despite doing it just moments prior.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Again, that he didn't transform again is irrelevant as he has shown to have said powers in his regular looking form and what he says is that he got Abigail's powers and still lost not that he somehow lost them by some contrived and never explained reason. Hell, he even tells Dante that it is unfair that he lost despite all the power he got from Abigail.

None of that supports the idea that he lost those powers. It really is your headcanon fam.

Btw checking my beloved spanish subs he even says it is bizarre because Sid says he should be stronger than Dante even further supporting that he never lost said powers.

Sid literally took on a giant form when he regenerated and attacked Dante. From the moment DT Dante's explosion occurred, Sid reverted to his normal form and showed no signs of having the powers he had displayed before.

When he learned that Dante wasn't going to let him live this time, Sid attacked him without using any of Abigail's powers. At that moment, Sid was in a fit of rage, so it makes no sense that he didn't display any of Abigail's powers.

Nothing says Dante underestimated Sid, and considering the second round started with Sid regenerating and Dante aiming, nothing implies he underestimated him after that. There isn't even a fight on screen for us to analyze and say he underestimated Sid.

In their second round, Dante literally let himself be punched and impaled and laughed, even though he knows how powerful Sid is. He's just having fun.

Are you forgetting the single simple fact that Urizen was connected to the Qliphoth? Growing stronger thanks to it? The fact that Urizen went from being weaker than Nightmare to being comparable to Dante and surpassing him in less than 2 days (including the whole fight they had) means Dante's own RE/AD was working overtime to cover the gap in power the Qliphoth was constantly creating.

Indeed, I had forgotten about Urizen, but Urizen wasn't even trying to kill him and was facing him sitting down, so that doesn't prove anything about RE/DE because Urizen was light years away from Dante and was just having fun with him and everyone else he faced (the only time he started to give a damn and be serious was when Nero scratched him).

But even if Urizen's argument doesn't work, there's still the case of Mundus in DMC1 where Dante needed Devil Sword Sparda's help to defeat Mundus and then Trish's to seal him away, which wouldn't make any sense if he has a RE/AD that works in a few minutes and allows him to be stronger than a Demon King when he was weaker before.

I didn't say Tony killed the demon monkey, I said he negated his regeneration during the second fight they had. IIRC he cuts him to pieces and decapitates him and the guy is still talking to him but not regenerating despite doing it just moments prior.

I reread the passage and it actually just a limitation of the demon monkey's regeneration. Dante sliced it once and the monkey was able to regenerate; it was when Dante savagely sliced and dismembered it several times that the monkey couldn't regenerate.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Sid literally took on a giant form when he regenerated and attacked Dante. From the moment DT Dante's explosion occurred, Sid reverted to his normal form and showed no signs of having the powers he had displayed before.

When he learned that Dante wasn't going to let him live this time, Sid attacked him without using any of Abigail's powers. At that moment, Sid was in a fit of rage, so it makes no sense that he didn't display any of Abigail's powers.

Have you stopped to think that maybe he was, idk, shocked? The guy he defeated moments ago now suddenly defeated him. Also, he was in a normal sized form after defeating Dante in episode 11, nothing implies he can't use the power in that form.

Sid attacking in a fit of rage doesn't mean anything either.

In their second round, Dante literally let himself be punched and impaled and laughed, even though he knows how powerful Sid is. He's just having fun.

That's the second round tho, besides Dante went all out as shown with the need to pull DT.

Indeed, I had forgotten about Urizen, but Urizen wasn't even trying to kill him and was facing him sitting down, so that doesn't prove anything about RE/DE because Urizen was light years away from Dante and was just having fun with him and everyone else he faced (the only time he started to give a damn and be serious was when Nero scratched him).

But even if Urizen's argument doesn't work, there's still the case of Mundus in DMC1 where Dante needed Devil Sword Sparda's help to defeat Mundus and then Trish's to seal him away, which wouldn't make any sense if he has a RE/AD that works in a few minutes and allows him to be stronger than a Demon King when he was weaker before.

There is a problem here, Urizen was sitting down because he needed the power as the Nico Report explicitly says. He wasn't sitting out of contempt for us, he was sitting because he was growing fat on the Qliphoth power.

Urizen wasn't having fun, even Dante calls him out on that (after the 25 hours are up) and Urizen says it doesn't matter because he realized Dante is no longer a threat to him.

Why would a weaker Dante get the feats that a stronger and older Dante gets? That's like saying DMC3 Dante fear hax should scale to DMC2 Dante feats of fear haxing a building just because both have fear hax, that's not how it works. Dante's RE/AD feats in younger/weaker versions are not the cap or an argument against stronger/older feats.

I reread the passage and it actually just a limitation of the demon monkey's regeneration. Dante sliced it once and the monkey was able to regenerate; it was when Dante savagely sliced and dismembered it several times that the monkey couldn't regenerate.

"Tony slaughtered the creature within moments, its black blood spraying over his red coat. Tony didn't care. He raced back to the living statue, frantic."
"Tony sliced through the monkey with his blade. Black juices sprayed on him and Jessica. She screamed out in pain. The demon cackled"
"Tony watched with horror as the demon's wound closed up. The monkey bellowed a series of sinister laughs, swelling his body with each breath. Within moments it was the size of the statues Tony had faced earlier."
“Your weapons are useless against m–”
"The demon choked into stunned silence as it noticed its arms sail across the hall. Tony had effortlessly severed the limbs with a single stroke. The cut was so clean that blood had yet to spill forth. Tony flicked his wrist and brought the sword straight down the beast's center. The mask clattered to the floor in halves. A moment later, the monkey split in two. Blood and organs erupted from the wound. “Impossible! You were on the verge of death!” The demon's black poison began eating away at its body. “You were less effort than a fart.” Tony casually decapitated the monkey. Its head rolled along the floor, eyeing its own crippled body. “Remember our proud name. We are – ”

To me it looks like the monkey regen was negated, he even tells Dante his weapons are useless (before his limbs are sent flying). Also the word used here is "slaughtered" which is to kill something in a violent and brutal way (which Tony repeats afterwards).

Peak regen negg right there.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Have you stopped to think that maybe he was, idk, shocked? The guy he defeated moments ago now suddenly defeated him. Also, he was in a normal sized form after defeating Dante in episode 11, nothing implies he can't use the power in that form.

Sid attacking in a fit of rage doesn't mean anything either.

Demons who know they're going to die will do everything they can to destroy and kill as much as possible. It makes no sense that an enraged Sid, who knows he's going to die, would absolutely not try to use Abigail's powers and/or transform if he still possessed those powers.

That's the second round tho, besides Dante went all out as shown with the need to pull DT.

And despite that, he still took the risk of being impaled (again) and took the time to laugh because he knows that Abigail is not a big threat to him.

There is a problem here, Urizen was sitting down because he needed the power as the Nico Report explicitly says. He wasn't sitting out of contempt for us, he was sitting because he was growing fat on the Qliphoth power.

I know, but that doesn't change the fact that he still beat everyone while sitting down and wasn't even trying to kill them, but just capture them. The only time he showed anger was when Nero scratched him.

Why would a weaker Dante get the feats that a stronger and older Dante gets? That's like saying DMC3 Dante fear hax should scale to DMC2 Dante feats of fear haxing a building just because both have fear hax, that's not how it works. Dante's RE/AD feats in younger/weaker versions are not the cap or an argument against stronger/older feats.

I know, my point is that Dante has never shown AD (physical stats-wise) like that. He has AD that allows him to become much stronger passively over the years without doing anything special, yes, but not to become stronger in minutes during a fight or after a near-death experience like Garou or the Saiyans (and I'm only talking about stats here).

"Tony slaughtered the creature within moments, its black blood spraying over his red coat. Tony didn't care. He raced back to the living statue, frantic."
"Tony sliced through the monkey with his blade. Black juices sprayed on him and Jessica. She screamed out in pain. The demon cackled"
"Tony watched with horror as the demon's wound closed up. The monkey bellowed a series of sinister laughs, swelling his body with each breath. Within moments it was the size of the statues Tony had faced earlier."
“Your weapons are useless against m–”
"The demon choked into stunned silence as it noticed its arms sail across the hall. Tony had effortlessly severed the limbs with a single stroke. The cut was so clean that blood had yet to spill forth. Tony flicked his wrist and brought the sword straight down the beast's center. The mask clattered to the floor in halves. A moment later, the monkey split in two. Blood and organs erupted from the wound. “Impossible! You were on the verge of death!” The demon's black poison began eating away at its body. “You were less effort than a fart.” Tony casually decapitated the monkey. Its head rolled along the floor, eyeing its own crippled body. “Remember our proud name. We are – ”

To me it looks like the monkey regen was negated, he even tells Dante his weapons are useless (before his limbs are sent flying). Also the word used here is "slaughtered" which is to kill something in a violent and brutal way (which Tony repeats afterwards).

Peak regen negg right there.

No dismemberment is described the first two times Tony attacked it; it was only when Tony dismembered it that the monkey stopped regenerating. The monkey wasn't even shocked that it couldn't regenerate, but simply that Dante had the strength to dismember it. This is just a limitation of the monkey's regeneration.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Dante beating Abigail is a pretty clear sign of regeneration null as well.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Dante beating Abigail is a pretty clear sign of regeneration null as well.

Demons who know they're going to die will do everything they can to destroy and kill as much as possible. It makes no sense that an enraged Sid, who knows he's going to die, would absolutely not try to use Abigail's powers and/or transform if he still possessed those powers.

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[Random-Helper323]

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Prove he lost them. Also, even if he did lose them after Dante hit him once, that'd be power null. If he still had them when Dante killed him, that'd require regeneration null.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Prove he lost them.

I already did that above. Everything suggests who lost them, but nothing suggests who still had them.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I already did that above. Everything suggests who lost them, but nothing suggests who still had them.

That's not proof he lost the powers. You've shown that he reverted form, not unlike a DT form, and that he lunged without transforming. He also took the first volley of bullets without transforming until after.

And as I said above, if he lost them after one DT slash that would mean Dante had power null, actually a more powerful ability than regeneration null which it so happens also grants regeneration null in and of itself.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Just do your CRT whenever you wanna do it and keep it to yourself the support you blindly take from G1 on that front

This is becoming an incredibly annoying back and forth with too much stubborness into this

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That's not proof he lost the powers.

Yes, it is, because it makes sense with what we know about the behavior of demons (who are treacherous ones, which was absolutely the case with Sid).
Sid knew that Dante would not let him live and he was completely enraged; if he still had Abigail's powers, he would have at least used one of them, because as a demon he would have done everything in his power to do as much harm as possible before dying.

And as I said above, if he lost them after one DT slash that would mean Dante had power null, actually a more powerful ability than regeneration null which it so happens also grants regeneration null in and of itself.

That would be power nullification, yes, not regen nullification.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

keep it to yourself the support you blindly take from G1 on that front

Just because I agree with them on something doesn't mean I blindly support them or vice versa.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

That would be power nullification, yes, not regen nullification.

Regeneration is a power, if you agree he nulled the powers of a demon king, that includes regen too and dont try to argue it wouldnt, negation of regen (or anything for the matter) is just power null limited to just a specific thing