Some fixing/upgrades for the current tf2 scaling

[LandonTheGuy]

You have just made history, my friend. A TF2 CRT that passes in less than a month, they said it couldn't be done.

I'm going to apply these things now

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I'm going to apply these things now

I'll help tomorrow, maybe.

Start with the Pyro rewording.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

The one thing that needs ironing out is whether or not to split the speed tier into separate keys for the TFC mercs.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I was asked to comment

TFC spy should get (limited) durability negation. (done)

This is the page. The Spy does not meet the qualifications for durability negation. The fact he just does extra damage seems like just a weird specific form of damage boosting. Durability negation requires that you negate durability and don't just do extra damage. Even him instantly killing someone would be closer to just Death Manipulation (though he likely does not qualify).

Pyro's explosion feat should be reworded, it says he "possibly" survived the explosion despite there's no doubt he caused the explosion and he was standing within the building right next to its explosives, so it should just say he survived the explosion, no "possibly".

This is fine

The scream forstress boesses should have 8-C possibly higher. (done)

• They can kill the mercs easly.
• Merasmus has a High 7-C calc regarding enviormental destruction

(they will be splitted into 2 keys, gravel war - robot war\australium chase)

This would better fit into "At least 8-C" which is what they currently have. Without a UES a storm calc does not scale to physicals and they don't have an indication for a "possibly higher" rating with what is given.

• Base tfc heavy could get Class K lifting strenght as tfc heavy ripped off the immortality machine off Gray Mann (wich it's heavly implied to have been attached to Grey's spine as spy says that he had a hole on his back and tfc engi pointing out that that's a spine)

This is not enough for a Spine Rip scaling. The Class K feat is for taking the spine and pulling it upwards, where you interact with the back muscles and overpower all of them at once. Removing the spine from a different direction or doing it section by section would not qualify for Class K which the Heavy could've done.

• As said by diamond drone, the fact that the tfc engi is the father of the tf2 engi should make them both be able to do this feat.

Being related to someone does not give you scaling unless you're shown to be comparable.

I'm fine with the other suggestions.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Being related to someone does not give you scaling unless you're shown to be comparable.

It's more of that other similar machinery has had their weight calculated, so we're using that. I guess a calc for the TFC version would be ideal, but hey.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

This is the page. The Spy does not meet the qualifications for durability negation. The fact he just does extra damage seems like just a weird specific form of damage boosting. Durability negation requires that you negate durability and don't just do extra damage. Even him instantly killing someone would be closer to just Death Manipulation (though he likely does not qualify).

That's why it's limited, it's only negating the armor's durability.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

This is the page. The Spy does not meet the qualifications for durability negation. The fact he just does extra damage seems like just a weird specific form of damage boosting. Durability negation requires that you negate durability and don't just do extra damage. Even him instantly killing someone would be closer to just Death Manipulation (though he likely does not qualify).

This would better fit into "At least 8-C" which is what they currently have. Without a UES a storm calc does not scale to physicals and they don't have an indication for a "possibly higher" rating with what is given.

fair

This is not enough for a Spine Rip scaling. The Class K feat is for taking the spine and pulling it upwards, where you interact with the back muscles and overpower all of them at once. Removing the spine from a different direction or doing it section by section would not qualify for Class K which the Heavy could've done.

This is how heavy did rip out Grey's spine i do belive this should meet the requierments (it was later retconed with the full thing instead of the viale with the australium only)

Being related to someone does not give you scaling unless you're shown to be comparable.

Ok my bad i think i commented on it pretty badly, with that i assumed that considering both are working mercenaries that lift heavy piece of equipment all the time should qualify as they both do that a lot

I'm fine with the other suggestions.

 

[Qawsedf234]

That's why it's limited, it's only negating the armor's durability.

Well the issue I see is that ignoring armor isn't durability negation from what I see on the page and there's staff threads that brought this up before.

To quote the conclusion:

Please note that in order for a technique to be considered as durability negation, it is necessary to know the mechanics of the technique itself, otherwise it isn't possible to determine whether or not the technique works only up to the highest level shown or not

Unless we know how it actually bypasses armor, we can't say it's durability negation. They could be canonically just be stabbing around the body armor as an example.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This is how heavy did rip out Grey's spine i do belive this should meet the requierments (it was later retconed with the full thing instead of the viale with the australium only)

Like I said, the spine rip calc is for removing it from the neck down in a vertical direction. Removing the spine from the back horizontally is not a Class K feat, especially if we don't know if its done with one action.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Like I said, the spine rip calc is for removing it from the neck down in a vertical direction. Removing the spine from the back horizontally is not a Class K feat, especially if we don't know if its done with one action.

It's tecnically done with one single action as we can see, but regardless if it does not classify as a class K feat i'm ok

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Well the issue I see is that ignoring armor isn't durability negation from what I see on the page and there's staff threads that brought this up before.

To quote the conclusion:

Unless we know how it actually bypasses armor, we can't say it's durability negation. They could be canonically just be stabbing around the body armor as an example.

Very well, I'll remove it.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Alright, I think everything's fixed.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Alright, I think everything's fixed.

hopefully, i'll have to calculate this specific spine ripping feat and a recalc for the meteorshower for the next ctr

 

[FinePoint]

I essentially agree with Qaw here. We have to be careful about not taking game mechanics too literally.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I essentially agree with Qaw here. We have to be careful about not taking game mechanics too literally.

everything was already applied some time ago, but thanks for the imput cuh

 

[FinePoint]

everything was already applied some time ago, but thanks for the imput cuh

I will close this then.